POST GAME Round 6 - Raiders vs Broncos

[lynx000]

It's been my pleasure.

Dee, are you Dee J on League Unlimited?

 

[Dee]

Dee, are you Dee J on League Unlimited?

No I'm not. I'm only on this forum. Why's that?

 

[lynx000]

No I'm not. I'm only on this forum. Why's that?

No worries, just a similar posting style.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

I'm still waiting on broncosgoat to answer my question....

 

[lynx000]

I'm still waiting on broncosgoat to answer my question....

Good luck with that.

 

[Ironbroncos]

every single year after 2015 our defense got worse, and worse, and worse, and worse. This season looks to be the pinnacle of our defensive woes.

I can see why Wayne wanted to get out of dodge, he's not stupid, he could see the defensive issues were too deep to fix in an off-season or two, this is going to take an entire foundational re-build, roster, structure, fundamentals, systems, everything. There may be incremental improvements Seibold can make to it this year, but it won't be anything to write home about.

Strap yourselves in, the 1 year plan just became a 3-4 year plan.

Did our players suddenly get dumber / lazier in defense every year? Or with the warhorses and other guys leaving, our recruitment / retention of certain players hasn't stacked up in favour of what Wayne was trying to achieve?

 

[Alec]

Did our players suddenly get dumber / lazier in defense every year? Or with the warhorses and other guys leaving, our recruitment / retention of certain players hasn't stacked up in favour of what Wayne was trying to achieve?

Wayne has always seemed anti-wrestling, so we never got fully into it like the other teams....and I don't buy the conspiracy theory that we'd have been penalised for it more, Wayne always spoke against it and we never took it seriously as a defensive unit. You pretty much need to wrestle and give yourself time to set the defensive line.

2015, our defensive strategy was strange. I'm still not sure what the main point of it was, maybe conserving energy by not moving up as a defensive line? We were happiest defending in our own 20, which while stressful to your fans, is definitely the easiest part of the field to defend in (other than the opposition 10).

Maybe a lot of things just went right that year, and our success in attack put them in a good mood and gave them confidence to defend better?

 

[broncos4life]

Also,

We are fans of the club and what they are dishing up each week is not acceptable for a club with the money and fascilities they have available to them.

Bahaha ‘fascilities’ holy ****!

 

[broncsgoat]

I'm still waiting on broncosgoat to answer my question....

About what?

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

About what?

Are you going to allow seibold the same amount of time Bennett was given prior to success (4 years) or would you have sacked Bennett who was underachieving year after year with a squad filled with current internationals and origin players?

Please note: hypothetical question, you're age at the time is irrelevant, you do not have any actual input into the real life decision

 

[winslow_wong]

Wayne has always seemed anti-wrestling, so we never got fully into it like the other teams....and I don't buy the conspiracy theory that we'd have been penalised for it more, Wayne always spoke against it and we never took it seriously as a defensive unit. You pretty much need to wrestle and give yourself time to set the defensive line.

2015, our defensive strategy was strange. I'm still not sure what the main point of it was, maybe conserving energy by not moving up as a defensive line? We were happiest defending in our own 20, which while stressful to your fans, is definitely the easiest part of the field to defend in (other than the opposition 10).

Maybe a lot of things just went right that year, and our success in attack put them in a good mood and gave them confidence to defend better?

Guys were hitting and they were sticking. Thaiday dominating JWH was the height of our defensive powers. What a year.

 

[broncsgoat]

Are you going to allow seibold the same amount of time Bennett was given prior to success (4 years) or would you have sacked Bennett who was underachieving year after year with a squad filled with current internationals and origin players?

Please note: hypothetical question, you're age at the time is irrelevant, you do not have any actual input into the real life decision

I thought I answered that and said no because seibold has done nothing to deserve any leniency

 

[tommy]

I thought I answered that and said no because seibold has done nothing to deserve any leniency

At that particular point in time neither had Bennett.

 

[Cult]

Bennett won five in a row to start the season in 1988. We were one win from 3rd by the end of the season. These examples are not even close to being similar

 

[lynx000]

At that particular point in time neither had Bennett.

He had made the GF with Canberra as a `co-coach' with Don Furner. But in any event, the thrust of the argument is correct that the owners of the Club showed faith in Bennett and trusted that he would deliver them a premiership, which he did in his 5th year. His initial squads were stacked with State of Origin and Test stars, but the premiership still only came after he made some key adjustments to the squad.

But it is all good, Seibold is apparently expected after a disrupted off-season and in his first season with a new group which includes a lot of rookies to have them up near the top of the ladder.

 

[Big Pete]

Bennett won five in a row to start the season in 1988. We were one win from 3rd by the end of the season. These examples are not even close to being similar

Six actually.

Bennett had also coached a team to a premiership in the BRL (against an Immortal), coached a team to a Grand Final in the NSWRL and coached Queensland to an Origin series victory in one of the greatest series of all-time.

Bennett earned the trust of the board and outside of 1991, the Broncos were building nicely. If the Broncos had have repeated 1991, the board would have had no other choice, but they didn't and Brisbane were head and shoulders the best team in the competition.

If you want to learn more, here's a bunch of Middleton reports I transcribed from that period:

https://broncoshq.com/threads/brisbane-broncos-1988.27787/
https://broncoshq.com/threads/brisbane-broncos-1989.28744/
https://broncoshq.com/threads/brisbane-broncos-1992.28017/

 

[Accept]

Six actually.

Bennett had also coached a team to a premiership in the BRL (against an Immortal), coached a team to a Grand Final in the NSWRL and coached Queensland to an Origin series victory in one of the greatest series of all-time.

Bennett earned the trust of the board and outside of 1991, the Broncos were building nicely. If the Broncos had have repeated 1991, the board would have had no other choice, but they didn't and Brisbane were head and shoulders the best team in the competition.

If you want to learn more, here's a bunch of Middleton reports I transcribed from that period:

https://broncoshq.com/threads/brisbane-broncos-1988.27787/
https://broncoshq.com/threads/brisbane-broncos-1989.28744/
https://broncoshq.com/threads/brisbane-broncos-1992.28017/

A five game winning streak to end the season finishing just out of the top 5 worked in Bennett's favour as well. Bennett was quoted in the off season "these guys will explode next year." Thus a dynasty was born and the main reason why fans still expect a certain level from this organization even to this day.

 

[Cult]

Six actually.

Bennett had also coached a team to a premiership in the BRL (against an Immortal), coached a team to a Grand Final in the NSWRL and coached Queensland to an Origin series victory in one of the greatest series of all-time.

Bennett earned the trust of the board and outside of 1991, the Broncos were building nicely. If the Broncos had have repeated 1991, the board would have had no other choice, but they didn't and Brisbane were head and shoulders the best team in the competition.

If you want to learn more, here's a bunch of Middleton reports I transcribed from that period:

https://broncoshq.com/threads/brisbane-broncos-1988.27787/
https://broncoshq.com/threads/brisbane-broncos-1989.28744/
https://broncoshq.com/threads/brisbane-broncos-1992.28017/

Does the Panasonic Cup not count? It was played between round 5 and 6. If not, Seibold would only have to lose 3 more games this year to match the same amount of losses Wayne had in 1988.