Round 7 - Eels vs Broncos

[ChewThePhatt]

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[Dexter]

The @TheGreatCornholio7 takes me off ignore so he can dislike 8 or 10 of my posts. Stay classy champ. You probably should report me, again.

Maybe your sentence had ended. Careful, that means you are on parole

 

[Nerd]

Winning starts in the front office and the removal of Paul White and DD starting is a plus. The next place that needs a clean out is the retention committee. If that includes removing a club legend like Lockyer or a long time employee like Nolan then so be it. Like any business their jobs must be based on their performance and lets face it they aren't performing. Who ever signed Lodge to a long term contract with the final 2 years in his favour if they haven't been already should be shown the door. If any player manager wants a deal with the last year in the players favour it should be a 2 year deal only and the amount offered should immediately drop 100K a season.

 

[Mister Wright]

2 instances really concerned me:

No.1 - When Coates dropped the ball off the kick off he looked distraught, there were no team mates rushing in to console him. I know it’s a token gesture and doesn’t really mean anything, but you’ve got to keep up appearances to look like a team, not one that is already resigned to defeat after 7 seconds.

No.2 - When Dearden dropped the ball and was ‘rag-dolled’ by RCG no forwards were rushing in and starting a melee, like, “don’t you do that to our halfback!’

They may mean nothing, but those sorts of things you see the ‘good’ sides do.

 

[Aldo]

A lot has been said about our edge defence and the poor defence of our halves. I put it back onto the middle. They just don't work hard enough to push across and work from the middle. So many times they are clocking off once the ball has gone past them, so the halves and outside backs have to turn in.

Our edge defence definately needs work, but they get **** all help from the middle.

 

[Galah]

2 instances really concerned me:

No.1 - When Coates dropped the ball off the kick off he looked distraught, there were no team mates rushing in to console him. I know it’s a token gesture and doesn’t really mean anything, but you’ve got to keep up appearances to look like a team, not one that is already resigned to defeat after 7 seconds.

No.2 - When Dearden dropped the ball and was ‘rag-dolled’ by RCG no forwards were rushing in and starting a melee, like, “don’t you do that to our halfback!’

They may mean nothing, but those sorts of things you see the ‘good’ sides do.

I think it means a lot to a team member, I don’t think they’re token things to do at all.

We aren’t a team and I think that’s why Kevvie blew up deluxe and throwing the jersey in front of them. It’s disgusting.

Not a team

 

[rnabokov]

They very much struggle at isolating defenders 1v1.

I wonder why teams have suddenly decided that a hitup on the post and then spreading it to the opposite edge is the way to go inside the 20m?

I would've thought the way to go would be getting it wider than that ... get your second rower 1v1 on their half, get your half on the outside of the second rower, get your center 1v1 on his opposite... have them work for a quick ptb and then do a long spread back to the opposite edge.

I thought the general consensus was that the longer the open side of the field is the harder it is to defend, as the defence has more field to cover... and therefore more opportunity someone will have a little bit of space somewhere along the line.


Based on that I would've thought in general that the game plan should be getting the ball to whoever is the best at getting a quick ptb and then working off the back of that... Souths do it with Murray, Storm with BSmith, Eels were getting it tonight with Papa and Kaufusi, etc.

The storm forwards are aware of how important a quick ptb is that it's basically the only thing they work towards, and the players come around and support the play the ball just as much as the try scorer.


For us the goal could be getting TPJ 1v1 on the half and then working from there. Through the middle we could look to get off the back of Haas... he finds his way between defenders, but he doesn't necessarily find his way onto his front and the value of a quick ptb.

Tonight Lodge threw a dummy, got between 2 defenders and then threw an offload to the eels player.... he was in prime position to find his front, create a quick ptb and let the team run off the back of it... he had two defenders tackle him low and was about 25-30m out, but instead of taking the tackle and providing a quick ptb he threw an offload.

It seems a lack of awareness across the squad.

It just doesn't seem like the team know what their fundamentals should be in attack... how are we going to score points and how do we get ourselves in the positions required to score points.

I was happy to see TPJ score off a DH play... It wasn't the best play, but it got him 1v1 and he easily got the try. We need some easy tries, we need some variety in our attack and different ways to score to take pressure off the halves and reduce our reliance on block plays to score (which don't seem to work for us anymore anyway).

I actually can't remember the last time we consistently deployed the shapes or formations of which you and @Big Pete speak. Consistently, getting the ball out wide, getting the ball to do the work. Maybe here and there when Hodges was playing. In any case, that is what the best sides do under the new rules more than ever, simply because it is the winning strategy, especially against teams like us - fast ball movement after your forwards have set the platform AND there are shapes and formations in place to exploit the momentum gained.

Similar goes for field position and the momentum gained from a quality kicking game. Well, at least we know why we don't have a good kicking game - nobody knows how to do it other than the guy playing for Souths.

We assume the players are reasonably intelligent footy wise at least to get to NRL, and that the coach also knows what to do. It is after all, (just) a simple game. So assuming everyone knows what works and what doesn't, then why can't this team execute it consistently? As I said, it has been years since we did.

Is there some kind of gene that has been passed down since at least 2015 say, causing this team to revert to one out for 4 or 5 than boot down field and occasionally chase.

I can't get my head around why something as simple and basic as passing the ball, and defending your space, especially on the edge, appears to be rocket science to the players. I also can't get my head around why we reverted from quality attack and improving defence last week, to last night's disgrace.

I confess I am starting to doubt Walters, unless the players we have are indeed just dumb and are comfortable with that, and as dumb as our recruiting has been which does actually explain a lot of the bullshit we keep seeing.

Not having a decent kicker has really exposed us, and our only decent kicker is in reserves because he can't get his shit together in the other aspects of his game.

What a mess.

 

[Culhwch]

He also threw the jersey onto the chair lol not sure what was said

The chair is the first player picked for next week. Will be captain as well.

 

[rnabokov]

A lot has been said about our edge defence and the poor defence of our halves. I put it back onto the middle. They just don't work hard enough to push across and work from the middle. So many times they are clocking off once the ball has gone past them, so the halves and outside backs have to turn in.

Our edge defence definately needs work, but they get **** all help from the middle.

Absolutely. Hear hear. And we've been complaining about this for years.

 

[Dazza 92]

shame to see the best years of young players like Haas being wasted at this club.

Meanwhile, Fifita proving the most destructive forward in the comp....unsurprisingly away from this shitshow...

We really are the new Newcastle when they were shit.....remember how many spoons they won in a row....

Trying to retain "our" guys when "our" guys arent good enough is counterproductive...

Should be the other way round....."our" guys can go and be replaced by proper NRL professionals...

 

[Morepudding]

Yeah there’s basically no positives in our performances. The only two players who deserve to be in the team are Pangai and Haas. Everyone else is very much take it or leave it, with the majority being please leave it.
None of our spine players are the answer, no doubt about it. They have absolutely nothing in attack. Coates, carrigan, flegler, lodge can also all **** off.

 

[winslow_wong]

2 instances really concerned me:

No.1 - When Coates dropped the ball off the kick off he looked distraught, there were no team mates rushing in to console him. I know it’s a token gesture and doesn’t really mean anything, but you’ve got to keep up appearances to look like a team, not one that is already resigned to defeat after 7 seconds.

No.2 - When Dearden dropped the ball and was ‘rag-dolled’ by RCG no forwards were rushing in and starting a melee, like, “don’t you do that to our halfback!’

They may mean nothing, but those sorts of things you see the ‘good’ sides do.

That’s where Glenn usually comes in after a knock on to say one set

 

[broncos4life]

shame to see the best years of young players like Haas being wasted at this club.

Meanwhile, Fifita proving the most destructive forward in the comp....unsurprisingly away from this shitshow...

We really are the new Newcastle when they were shit.....remember how many spoons they won in a row....

Trying to retain "our" guys when "our" guys arent good enough is counterproductive...

Should be the other way round....."our" guys can go and be replaced by proper NRL professionals...

I hope DD is as good as he seems because it will take a lot of smart work at the top to get us out of this.

We need at least one, preferably two experienced, quality spine players ASAP. All money needs to go towards that before any other position or keeping “our guys”.

With the guys we have already signed we have enough to be good without anyone else as long as we get quality in the spine. Tough decisions need to be made which won’t be popular but they need to happen. It will probably mean saying goodbye to a Staggs or a Coates but it needs to happen and if it is done right and shown that it is best for the team and the player potentially you get them back in a few years when we are good again.

 

[Morepudding]

I hope DD is as good as he seems because it will take a lot of smart work at the top to get us out of this.

We need at least one, preferably two experienced, quality spine players ASAP. All money needs to go towards that before any other position or keeping “our guys”.

With the guys we have already signed we have enough to be good without anyone else as long as we get quality in the spine. Tough decisions need to be made which won’t be popular but they need to happen. It will probably mean saying goodbye to a Staggs or a Coates but it needs to happen and if it is done right and shown that it is best for the team and the player potentially you get them back in a few years when we are good again.

Coates can go. Way too much of a liability in defence. Block has rocks for brains.

 

[thenry]

2 instances really concerned me:

No.1 - When Coates dropped the ball off the kick off he looked distraught, there were no team mates rushing in to console him. I know it’s a token gesture and doesn’t really mean anything, but you’ve got to keep up appearances to look like a team, not one that is already resigned to defeat after 7 seconds.

No.2 - When Dearden dropped the ball and was ‘rag-dolled’ by RCG no forwards were rushing in and starting a melee, like, “don’t you do that to our halfback!’

They may mean nothing, but those sorts of things you see the ‘good’ sides do.

Just on no. 1. Two players did come in and encourage him, I think it was Lodge in the first place, not sure the other.

 

[Mister Wright]

Just on no. 1. Two players did come in and encourage him, I think it was Lodge in the first place, not sure the other.

True. But there was no 'rush'.

 

[Morepudding]

I honestly think the issue with our club is too many of them have families. They spend no time together. Panthers and Parra are all good mates and socialise and care about each other. Our guys appear to rock up at training and leave and go spend time with their family only. Footy isn’t a priority for any of our players.
Most of our players since having a kid, their form has just taken a dive off a cliff

 

[Morepudding]

Watching the Xavier Coates knock on is just evidence of what a moron he is. You don’t need to catch the ball. You just need to touch it. He should have just gone further back and touched the ball. Or, don’t worry about that and just fucking catch it. Honestly our team is full of fucking morons. Maybe sign some people that can actually count.