Sack Seibold Now!

[1910]

I think he has done a decent job with what he has to work with. Tough job there.

13th and 14th in his two seasons at the Reds and 12/24 games including this year- I love Thorn but gee that hardly screams hire me.

 

[McHunt]

13th and 14th in his two seasons at the Reds and 12/24 games including this year- I love Thorn but gee that hardly screams hire me.

Peter Ryan was defence coach as well.

 

[broncos4life]

FWIW this is my 4 step plan to get things going in the right direction.

1. Get rid of Seibold - I have been firmly in the camp of give him more time and have excused him numerous times but no more. The bloke is out of his depth and he has no idea how to get them out of this. His one big positive was meant to be his brain and the structures he would bring but we have no structures. If this was an execution problem and there were clear ideas in place but the players were just not executing that would be fine and time would fix that, but there are no ideas or structures. 4 straight hitups and a bomb to the oppositions chest is not structure and literally anyone on this forum could coach that, hell the barely literate ***** of #bronxnation could coach that.

2. Drop key players - There needs to be a line in the sane, a moment where the club says no more. Boyd and Milford need to be dropped. I don't care about the size of their contracts, that it is Boyd's last year or their 'experience'. They need to go if for no other reason to send a message to the group that we will no longer tolerate this no matter who you are or what your circumstances are. We have become a support service not a football team. In anything you do you should measure yourself against the best and the club needs to ask themselves would these 2 still be making the Storm or the Roosters team and we all know the answer to that. I don't care about the excuses or other factors this is a results business and there results are fucking atrocious.

3. We need to get the old boys onside again - Do I like some of them? No. Do I think they have acted like entitled children? Yes. However, rightly or wrongly this division is having an effect on the club and the players. These guys are big names and have huge say in the media and there is no way this isn't impacting the playing group. The only way to fix it is a circuit breaker. Complete step 1 and then get them all in for a day at the club, get the BBQ going and the beers flowing and sort it out. I do not think Kevvie is a great coach but he is passionate, a Broncos legend and the old boys love him. He needs to be involved again with the club, which leads me to my last point.

4. Make Kevvie Head Coach - As I said I don't think he is a great coach but I think he is what we need now. He would get the passion for the club going in these players again and our attack looked it's best when he was an assistant. Have him as Head Coach and surround him with great assistants to handle the areas he is not good at.

 

[Kooly87]

He honestly has one last roll of the dice for me and that comes on Tuesday when he submits his team sheet to the NRL.

If he honestly isn't brave or capable enough to make the necessary changes and drop the guys that are consistently under performing then for me he will have hitched his wagon to those same under performers and will then have staked his Broncos coaching career on those same guys to turn it around.

If they fail to do so, they need to go, and Seibold will need to go with them too.

 

[Broncapz]

We could replace Boyd with in his prime Greg Inglis and still look fucking terrible with Seibold at the helm. Boyd is and has been a problem, he has not even been close to our biggest problem. I honestly don’t get how people watch that insipid performance and think dropping Boyd is the answer that will fix anything.

Again, not defending Boyd. Just pointing out that the main problem with the team is not him.

I agree, but dropping Boyd isn't the only solution.

If we're going to get pumped every week, we may as well look at putting at someone with a higher ceiling and potential to improve. If we're interested in 2021 then I think putting Boyd out to pasture now is what needs to be done.

 

[McHunt]

FWIW this is my 4 step plan to get things going in the right direction.

1. Get rid of Seibold - I have been firmly in the camp of give him more time and have excused him numerous times but no more. The bloke is out of his depth and he has no idea how to get them out of this. His one big positive was meant to be his brain and the structures he would bring but we have no structures. If this was an execution problem and there were clear ideas in place but the players were just not executing that would be fine and time would fix that, but there are no ideas or structures. 4 straight hitups and a bomb to the oppositions chest is not structure and literally anyone on this forum could coach that, hell the barely literate ***** of #bronxnation could coach that.

2. Drop key players - There needs to be a line in the sane, a moment where the club says no more. Boyd and Milford need to be dropped. I don't care about the size of their contracts, that it is Boyd's last year or their 'experience'. They need to go if for no other reason to send a message to the group that we will no longer tolerate this no matter who you are or what your circumstances are. We have become a support service not a football team. In anything you do you should measure yourself against the best and the club needs to ask themselves would these 2 still be making the Storm or the Roosters team and we all know the answer to that. I don't care about the excuses or other factors this is a results business and there results are fucking atrocious.

3. We need to get the old boys onside again - Do I like some of them? No. Do I think they have acted like entitled children? Yes. However, rightly or wrongly this division is having an effect on the club and the players. These guys are big names and have huge say in the media and there is no way this isn't impacting the playing group. The only way to fix it is a circuit breaker. Complete step 1 and then get them all in for a day at the club, get the BBQ going and the beers flowing and sort it out. I do not think Kevvie is a great coach but he is passionate, a Broncos legend and the old boys love him. He needs to be involved again with the club, which leads me to my last point.

4. Make Kevvie Head Coach - As I said I don't think he is a great coach but I think he is what we need now. He would get the passion for the club going in these players again and our attack looked it's best when he was an assistant. Have him as Head Coach and surround him with great assistants to handle the areas he is not good at.

Sounds very much like what I said at the top of this thread.

 

[broncos4life]

Sounds very much like what I said at the top of this thread.

Sorry I haven’t read the thread.

 

[McHunt]

Really? There isn't a great deal of evidence to support that theory. Sure, he dropped a couple of players. When it was too late. And some forced changes.

I'm curious as to why the suggestion is being made to sack Seibold for a coach who's shown his coaching style isn't really any better. Who's shown a lack of ability to recognize a side's strengths and create a gameplan that utilizes those strengths.

He's a good assistant. He's good at working with a group in the background away from the spotlight and the pressure. But in terms of head coaching ability. He has shown completely **** all.

I'm curious as to why he still hasn't got a head coaching gig with an NRL club despite there being opportunities. It really seems no one wants to touch him. Perhaps I'm reading too much into things, but in situations like that, there's usually a pretty good reason.

My reasoning to bring in Walters is:

1. We need to get rid of Seibold immediately. I said it back here in reponse to this "take your kid to work" video:

OFFICIAL - A day with Seibs

I think his sense of humour will come out in the bloopers video, soon to be released. "Get on the exercise bike, Milf!", Seibold screams. As he thrusts his arm, pointing in the direction of the gym, the sudden movement pops the bottom button off his shirt and it hits Jack Bird in the eye...

broncoshq.com

Seibold looks dead behind the eyes. The interview with Milford was even worse: he looked deadset depressed, like he was just going through the motions. Like he needed rescuing from a bad relationship. Let's get him, and everyone else, out of it now. The dressing room is lost.

2. Kevvie is ready to go. Right now. Doesn't need an interview. Everyone knows him. No one is saying he's the answer long term. But if he does nothing else but win the dressing room, it's a success.

3. It would build a bridge back to past players who've either been estranged or abandoned the club. We need to rebuild the culture.

4. It would only be for this season, and then we'd hit reset. Kevvie could consider the seaon his application for the job, rather than the job.

5. It would put to bed the enduring bitterness over him missing out the last time around. And it's widespread.

 

[Foordy]

3. We need to get the old boys onside again - Do I like some of them? No. Do I think they have acted like entitled children? Yes. However, rightly or wrongly this division is having an effect on the club and the players. These guys are big names and have huge say in the media and there is no way this isn't impacting the playing group. The only way to fix it is a circuit breaker. Complete step 1 and then get them all in for a day at the club, get the BBQ going and the beers flowing and sort it out. I do not think Kevvie is a great coach but he is passionate, a Broncos legend and the old boys love him. He needs to be involved again with the club, which leads me to my last point.

4. Make Kevvie Head Coach - As I said I don't think he is a great coach but I think he is what we need now. He would get the passion for the club going in these players again and our attack looked it's best when he was an assistant. Have him as Head Coach and surround him with great assistants to handle the areas he is not good at.

**** the old boys and **** Kevvie ... any lack of trust/confidence in Seibs, is in part due to the old boys (who many of our youngsters would have looked up to growing up) death riding seibs since day one ... jobs for the boys is not going to pull us out of this

 

[Kooly87]

My reasoning to bring in Walters is:

1. We need to get rid of Seibold immediately. I said it back here in reponse to this "take your kid to work" video:

OFFICIAL - A day with Seibs

I think his sense of humour will come out in the bloopers video, soon to be released. "Get on the exercise bike, Milf!", Seibold screams. As he thrusts his arm, pointing in the direction of the gym, the sudden movement pops the bottom button off his shirt and it hits Jack Bird in the eye...

broncoshq.com

Seibold looks dead behind the eyes. The interview with Milford was even worse: he looked deadset depressed, like he was just going through the motions. Like he needed rescuing from a bad relationship. Let's get him, and everyone else, out of it now. The dressing room is lost.

2. Kevvie is ready to go. Right now. Doesn't need an interview. Everyone knows him. No one is saying he's the answer long term. But if he does nothing else but win the dressing room, it's a success.

3. It would build a bridge back to past players who've either been estranged or abandoned the club. We need to rebuild the culture.

4. It would only be for this season, and then we'd hit reset. Kevvie could consider the seaon his application for the job, rather than the job.

5. It would put to bed the enduring bitterness over him missing out the last time around. And it's widespread.

I think I'd 100% agree Walters is at the absolute minimum at least just as likely to turn this place around as Seibold is now. We really have basically nothing left to lose at this point.

Tell you what though, the very next thing I'd do would be to jump online and find the gross vehicle weight limit on the street Craig Bellamy lives on. Then I'd fill a dump truck full of exactly that much weight in cash and drop it off in his driveway, then let him know we'll just keep sending them to him until he gets so sick of looking at piles of $100 notes in his front yard that he's ready to come and coach the Broncos.

 

[McHunt]

**** the old boys and **** Kevvie ... any lack of trust/confidence in Seibs, is in part due to the old boys (who many of our youngsters would have looked up to growing up) death riding seibs since day one ... jobs for the boys is not going to pull us out of this

Good luck with that theory. We're headed to the spoon under this coach and I don't see another who's plug and play other than a stopgap. Walters might as well be that stopgap.

 

[Wolfie]

13th and 14th in his two seasons at the Reds and 12/24 games including this year- I love Thorn but gee that hardly screams hire me.

I still think for what he had to work with its ok. At the same time, its Union, not league so its difficult to know how he would go. Wouldn't be any worse than Seibold

 

[Waynesaurus]

Tell you what though, the very next thing I'd do would be to jump online and find the gross vehicle weight limit on the street Craig Bellamy lives on. Then I'd fill a dump truck full of exactly that much weight in cash and drop it off in his driveway, then let him know we'll just keep sending them to him until he gets so sick of looking at piles of $100 notes in his front yard that he's ready to come and coach the Broncos.

Ok no worries.........................my address......errmmmm I mean Craigs address is .............

 

[McHunt]

I still think for what he had to work with its ok. At the same time, its Union, not league so its difficult to know how he would go. Wouldn't be any worse than Seibold

Same argument as Kevvie, really. Can't comment on him solving our problems in attack, but I'd be willing to bet big he'd command respect.

 

[Kooly87]

I still think for what he had to work with its ok. At the same time, its Union, not league so its difficult to know how he would go. Wouldn't be any worse than Seibold

Realistically these days, especially at a wealthy club like ours, you can hire assistants and specialists to work with the squad on any areas you yourself are not really proficient in. The main thing for a guy like Thorn would be instilling a level of professionalism and confidence in the playing group and ensuring they were as physically and mentally well prepared as possible each week.

 

[Kooly87]

So avoiding the spoon is now considered success? That’s the mentality of a weak club.

Newsflash - we are a weak club.

 

[Foordy]

Good luck with that theory. We're headed to the spoon under this coach and I don't see another who's plug and play other than a stopgap. Walters might as well be that stopgap.

there are only 2 coaches in the NRL i'd chase ... Bellamy and Robinson.

Bellamy will retire at Melbourne only using other clubs like us and now the Bulldogs to get more coin from the Storm.

and i doubt Robinson will leave the Roosters ... he is now seeing the benefits of his hard work (besides uncle Nick will never let that happen)

on Walters, he is bloody lucky to even have a coaching job in Australia ... he only has the QLD gig because their first preference turned them down

 

[Kooly87]

there are only 2 coaches in the NRL i'd chase ... Bellamy and Robinson.

Bellamy will retire at Melbourne only using other clubs like us and now the Bulldogs to get more coin from the Storm.

and i doubt Robinson will leave the Roosters ... he is now seeing the benefits of his hard work (besides uncle Nick will never let that happen)

on Walters, he is bloody lucky to even have a coaching job in Australia ... he only has the QLD gig because their first preference turned them down

Who was their first choice? I must have been living under a rock cause I was under the impression Kevvie was always their first choice?