It's Bronco Time
- Aug 27, 2008
I read an article (can't find it now) where T'eo was quoted more fully and he seemed very passionate about playing for Qld
I think people have to realise more and more kiwis and other foreigners are playing in various league competitions throughout Australia.With the numerous scouts clubs have in NZ its a given and the influence will only get bigger.It is no longer just Australians as it once was when the Origin eligibility criteria was put in place.With the change in face of rugby league one would think the rules would have to change with it.
If one glances over the teams in recent years,I dont think people like Tamou,Uate,or Costigan have diminished the origin concept even though they have either represented another country before or signaled their intentions to do so previously.As with KHunt and Tamou,the choice guy's like Te'o and other kiwis make is never between NZ and Australia,its always been between NZ and QLD/NSW.That to me tells one they arent interested in playing for Australia but are forced to if they choose to play Origin.Would you really want someone playing for Australia when their heart isnt fully in it?.....
even Toni Carroll came out and said he had always wanted to play for NZ.
I have no doubt guys like Te'o or Tamou have passion for their state of choice but for the good of the game internationally,I reckon players should'nt be forced to play for OZ instead,let them decide.It was a blow to the game when McGuire and Vidot had to pull out of a game for Samoa at the 11th hour because it would affect their Origin aspirations back in 2010.
I agree being Australian isnt a racial thing but just because people move to another country it doesnt mean they have to denounce their ties to their native country.This is why so many kiwi's who move to OZ still support NZ or OZ-Italians support Italy and even ex-pat Australians living in other countries who support Australia.They still enjoy the fruits of their new country without forgoing their ties to the old.No need to lower any standards at all just make the Origin eligibility and International eligibility separate.The rules shouldn't change with the "changing face of RL" at all. If 10000 Kenyans come over next year and start working in the construction industry, should the Australian Government change/lower Australian standards to those standards of Kenya?
People can call me controversial or whatever, but being Australian isn't a racial thing, it's a cultural thing and if you don't want to be a proud Australian, whether your job is construction of playing RL, then see you later. That's how I see it and that's why I always mention CITIZENSHIP in regards to eligibility. You can't have your cake and eat it to, if you want the perks, you commit to the cause.
The problem is it is affecting the minnow nations.Vidot and McGuire had to pull out of a test match cos they didnt want to jeopardise their chances of one day playing Origin.Feleti Mateo is doing the same thing,hes stepped down from Tonga in a hope to play Origin.Uate would do wonders for the international game if he were allowed to play Origin and then for Fiji.If you acknowledge this shouldnt affect the minnow nations like PNG,Samoa etc...then I dont see why it would be a problem allowing one more nation to do this and to be frank,theres really only 3 major nations in league and one of them have most of their players playing in the other country because league isnt big in their own.Nobody could consider PNG anything other than a minnow nation in RL, people should not be concerned with Fijian, PNG, Tongan or Samoan Internationals playing SoO, if they are citizens of Australia. However, regards the "NZ or NSW/QLD" thing, my above comments are very apt.
Show me where or a source for this?
Samoa is a minnow nation and I agree, playing for them shouldn't affect their SoO eligibility (also, McGuire is Australian born so is a citizen).
Tonie Carroll believes it's the desire to play for New South Wales that's seen the kiwi-born prop switch allegiances.
Carroll says all he ever wanted was a State of Origin jersey, but he believes Tamou is cash-hunting.
I dont see a difference between a player from PNG playing SOO to a player from NZ wanting to play SOO.They are both from other countries.To me if you accept one way,surely you have to accept it the other based on the cases being almost identical.I'm sorry I should have made myself more clear; it's my belief that the RLIF and ARL should allow players eligible to rep. minnow countries (any country other than NZ, UK, AS) to rep. their eligible countries without affecting their SoO chances.
Well lets put it another way...'Australians moving to another country'.On Carroll, he has been here since he was like 7. I personally know he played for Waterford Demons JRLFC in under 10's. He always considered himself an Aussie and sort direction from the ARL and RLIF to ensure before playing for NZ, it wouldn't hurt his SoO eligibility.
Onto your first point Force, I completely disagree and we will have to agree to disagree.
To me, there's nothing LESS Australian, than someone who has been in this country forever (10+) years who supports another country OVER Australia in any sport. It's abhorred that somebody could honestly not want to assimilate on the sporting field, much like not assimilating in society in general.
WNG Hammo's Rant;
If you have lived here for 20 years, but still consider yourself a "kiwi" and rock a silver fern on your car, you're a douche IMO and a drain on the greatest country in the world. If one of my Asian mates gets asked where he comes from, he replies "Woodridge". A Tongan mate of mine, born Sydney bred Brisbane was asked in a pub, "you probably support the All Blacks hey?” He was very offended not because he's Tongan, but because after 12 years in the Army he's more Australian than half the "white" people in the pub. He supports Tonga in everything, until they play Australia. IMO that attitude extends onto the sporting field as well.
There's nothing at all wrong with celebrating your families culture, however take pride in the country which you now live in.
Even though he still considers himself Aussie?....So all Australias ex-pat actors,sportsmen or just ex-pat Aussie are no longer Australian cos they moved to a new country?...Off topic answer to your statement about Simon Baker - I would consider him a yank (an Aussie who decided to be a yank and is now a yank) - if he played any sport (etc) for a nation it would be for America.
I dont see a difference between a player from PNG playing SOO to a player from NZ wanting to play SOO.They are both from other countries.To me if you accept one way,surely you have to accept it the other based on the cases being almost identical.
That said; this is a perfect example of why I believe a person has to pledge allegiance to Australia to have allegiance to a state. QLD isn't a country and SoO is a representative game.
To play for the team you choose because it's what you (the individual) want, is called club football. IMO, it cheapens the entire concept of representative sport to be able to pick at what levels you represent.
Yeah...he became a DUAL citizen of Australia and America.Many people do this so they can get the benefits of being a citizen of that country.He didnt denounce his Australian-ness and still considers himself Australian.You said he became an American citizen? So it was his choice...
Tamou spent the first 3 days of the game 2 camp learning the National Anthem.
PS...Anyone see Te'o have an (initial)Tamou moment when the national anthem was sung?...he looked uncomfortable almost chringe-worthy trying his best to hold it together.Dont worry,just like Tamou when standing for the anthem in the ANZAC test Im sure next time he'll be told he has to sing it.