Scott Prince Is Back - OFFICIAL!

[Big Pete]

Re: Scott Prince

I believe we've seen the best of Wallace. Solid player, good at the clutch and fights for the ball really well (look at his work when a ball goes into the air, it's Lockyer like how he puts himself in position to claim it) but his long distance kicking game is inconsistent, short distance kicking game is mixed: really ordinary grubbers, good cross-field kicks, running game is terrible, organisation ordinary, vision ordinary & passing game ordinary. He's not terrible although he should have been dropped through out the season.

I don't think any of his contemporaries are that great either, at least as halfbacks are concerned.

Carney - Off-field screw up who can be exposed in the tight games.
Mullen - Isn't a halfback and Bennett is finally getting him to where he needs to be. Like Carney, gets exposed in the tight games.
Walsh - Talented, but just doesn't have the vision to make anything of it. The king of 1 step forward, 3 steps back.
McCrone - Plain average.
Maloney - Is really just a running half.
Campese - Injured all the time. Is nearly as limited close to the line as Wallace cept he had a decent running game.
Sutton - Sort of like Campese, except minus one of the best long boots in the game and has a history of attitude issues.
Soward - Poor vision and organisational skills. Has talent to be the best in the game but can get flustered too easily.

I'd go after the next generation and actually stick with them. Gimme a Sam Williams, Shaun Johnson, Aidan Sezer, Michael Morgan etc. over a Wallace at this stage.

Or you know, give Hunt a proper crack.

 

[broncos4life]

Re: Scott Prince

Porthoz: If Adam Reynolds turns into another Daniel Mortimer i'll give the game away. Reynolds is a special talent and is leagues ahead of Mortimer in every compartment. I hope he continues his great form of this year into next year.

Out of interest mate what do you see that's so special about Reynolds cos all he looks like to me is a competent young half that's had a good first year, I honestly can't see him replicating this seasons form. I'm not trying to be difficult just trying to understand the hype

 

[vertigo]

Re: Scott Prince

The hype is from Souths being so shit for so long and his emergence coincides with them winning their first finals game in 25 years.

He is an excellent kicker though.

 

[Broncoman]

Re: Scott Prince

Out of interest mate what do you see that's so special about Reynolds cos all he looks like to me is a competent young half that's had a good first year, I honestly can't see him replicating this seasons form. I'm not trying to be difficult just trying to understand the hype

Souths for a long time never had an organising half until they found this bloke on their doorstep. He was the star of their under 20's team and performed remarkabley this year in first grade. He is an awesome goal kicker as well his goal kicking percentage was something like 90. I think he is a great player and a great organising half. Would love to see him in Origin next year whether he is ready for it is the only question.

 

[Porthoz]

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Souths for a long time never had an organising half until they found this bloke on their doorstep. He was the star of their under 20's team and performed remarkabley this year in first grade. He is an awesome goal kicker as well his goal kicking percentage was something like 90. I think he is a great player and a great organising half. Would love to see him in Origin next year whether he is ready for it is the only question.

Did you actually see Mortimer play in 09? He would have shat over Reynolds from great height if he did that in 2012. I've lost count of first year wonders who went to shit in the second year and after that...

I really have to laugh at the suggestions of Hunt over Wallace. Are people seriously suggesting a Norman/Hunt halves pairing? :loool:

BP, you would have dropped Wallace ahead of Norman this season, seriously? :scared:

 

[Big Pete]

Re: Scott Prince

BP, you would have dropped Wallace ahead of Norman this season, seriously? :scared:

:laugh: You've asked this question before and yes I would have.

I enjoyed what I saw of Norman/Hunt together and it was clear that Wallace deserved to be dropped after the Parramatta game.

 

[Alec]

Re: Scott Prince

I'd say as far as the worst games for our halves went, it was

Norman vs the Panthers < Wallace with the little stretch towards the end of the season < Norman w/ Wallace < Wallace < Hunt < Norman w/ Hunt < Wallace in the first 10 rounds.

The two games Norman played with Hunt were far and away his best IMHO. He actually looked kinda competent.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Scott Prince

:laugh: You've asked this question before and yes I would have.

I enjoyed what I saw of Norman/Hunt together and it was clear that Wallace deserved to be dropped after the Parramatta game.

Then I probably replied the same thing: I am at a loss for words...

What you saw of Norman/Hunt was when the whole team was going great guns and Hunt just had to fill one spot. Hardly the toughest job in the world...

Taking our only experienced halve out of the team when it was struggling and was chasing a win to gain some confidence, would be akin to competition suicide, and everyone would now be blaming Griffin for it.

 

[Big Pete]

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What I have ACTUALLY seen of Norman & Hunt is a good mixture of understanding and balance. Hunt organised the players really well and actually had them playing with (shock, horror) depth. Norman clearly benefited from this and he was able to pick his moments better. Potentially, it's the best combination we have at the club and I'm not basing that on two games, I've seen them perform together across all levels.

Wallace was in career worse form and it was having an effect on the entire side. Sticking with him wasn't seen as a master-stroke, in fact it ensured we finished as finals fodder. What's to say Norman/Hunt couldn't have performed better? Based on 2012, it certainly lead to some of our best performances.

Wallace isn't captain, nor is he a player of considerable ability. He shouldn't be considered infallible and his position should come into question.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Scott Prince

Wallace isn't captain, nor is he a player of considerable ability. He shouldn't be considered infallible and his position should come into question.

Fucken oath !!!

 

[Bull Shark]

Re: Scott Prince

Souths for a long time never had an organising half until they found this bloke on their doorstep. He was the star of their under 20's team and performed remarkabley this year in first grade. He is an awesome goal kicker as well his goal kicking percentage was something like 90. I think he is a great player and a great organising half. Would love to see him in Origin next year whether he is ready for it is the only question.

Come on, a bit of perspective is needed when judging NRL players ... Adam Reynolds is NOT a great player / great organising halfback .. He's a young bloke who's had a very good first season at the top level ..

If he can build on what he did in 2012 and still be producing the goods CONSISTENTLY IN FIRST GRADE two or three years from now, and if he's lucky enough to play state of origin and hold his own at that level, then and only then will he deserve to be approaching 'greatness' as a RL number 7 ..

Longevity is the mark of excellence in professional sport and until Reynolds proves to be anything more than a 'one hit wonder' (how many of those have we seen in the numbers 6 & 7 over the last couple of decades?) the word 'great' does not belong in the same sentence as his name.

Nor for that matter do comparisons that rate him higher than someone like Peter Wallace.

 

[m1c]

Re: Scott Prince

He absolutely dicks all over Daniel Mortimer, though. Mortimer would require a lot of work to be successful in the NRL, it was obvious to many - terminal deficiencies in his kicking and passing games. Reynolds has displayed eons more in his first season than Mortimer ever did.

It's not difficult to recognise the difference between a a flash-in-the-pan riding a wave, and a kid with the all-round game to make it long-term.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Scott Prince

What I have ACTUALLY seen of Norman & Hunt is a good mixture of understanding and balance. Hunt organised the players really well and actually had them playing with (shock, horror) depth. Norman clearly benefited from this and he was able to pick his moments better. Potentially, it's the best combination we have at the club and I'm not basing that on two games, I've seen them perform together across all levels.

Wallace was in career worse form and it was having an effect on the entire side. Sticking with him wasn't seen as a master-stroke, in fact it ensured we finished as finals fodder. What's to say Norman/Hunt couldn't have performed better? Based on 2012, it certainly lead to some of our best performances.

Wallace isn't captain, nor is he a player of considerable ability. He shouldn't be considered infallible and his position should come into question.

Yeah, I've seen them play together in the U20's quite often as well, and Norman has always been hot and cold, and has always exhibited the same patterns, strengths and flaws as he has shown this year.
And the part about Hunt organising the players really well and had them playing with depth... Talk about wishfull thinking!
It's been years since that has happened, it wasn't even happening with Locky in the side.
Funny how Hunt didn't organise shit when he came into a hopelessly off form side at the end of the season, or was that because he didn't have Norman to enable his superpowers?

I won't argue your last line in the least. That should go for any player really!
But you left the part out where Norman was even worse, and was by far the biggest contributor to the side's failure this season. No one in his right mind would choose Norman over Wallace based on what we've seen from both players. Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Norman was ignoring those overlaps and running at the line because Wallace was whispering in his ear... :loool:

Yes, Wallace had a really crappy spell during the Origin hangover, as did Norman. While the young guy looked lost and uninterested, the red head was busting a gut and trying too hard to do both halves job. So let's reward the lazy uninterested bloke and punish the one that never gave less than 110%! :001_rolleyes:

I really hope Hunt gets the chance to show whether he can actually explore his potential and become our first choice half. I agree he is the most creative halve we have, but he needs a steady head next to him. Besides, Norman is not a 5/8, at least not yet. But he could be a very good ball playing FB.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Scott Prince

He absolutely dicks all over Daniel Mortimer, though. Mortimer would require a lot of work to be successful in the NRL, it was obvious to many - terminal deficiencies in his kicking and passing games. Reynolds has displayed eons more in his first season than Mortimer ever did.

It's not difficult to recognise the difference between a a flash-in-the-pan riding a wave, and a kid with the all-round game to make it long-term.

Oh come on. Mortimer was the best thing since sliced bread in 2009. The power of hindsight is strong in you my son! :001_tt2:

Reynolds may well become a first choice halfback, and he definitely seems to have the skills and a level head to do so, but I've seen too many first year wonders go to crap and pretty much disappear.
It's too early to make a judgement. Let's see how he has played 2 or 3 seasons at the highest level first.

 

[m1c]

Re: Scott Prince

Agreed - easy in hindsight, however I wasn't part of the DM circle jerk. I was surprised how many swallowed the output and concluded they had wine.

I was more than forthright in making a call on DCE this year for very much the same reasons, and IMO the jury is still well and truly out on him. Whilst Reynolds remains to prove himself, he is starting from a far better platform than both DCE and DM. If anything he's at a disadvantage to those two, who had far, far stronger teams around them.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Scott Prince

Can't agree with that m1c. DCE was excellent in his first season, and while he definitely felt the pinch in the second year, and granted he did have the benefit of having a strong team and structure around him, he still performed above average as a halfback.

As for Mortimer having a strong team around him, I think 2010 proved how much of a fable that was. If anything, I think this year's Souths team was better than the Eels 2009 team, except for that last 10 games spurt.

Note that I'm not implying that Reynolds is a flash in the pan, or that Mortimer is better than him, far from that. But when you compare the first seasons, Reynolds falls well short of both DM and DCE imo.

 

[Old Mate]

Re: Scott Prince

Yeah, I've seen them play together in the U20's quite often as well, and Norman has always been hot and cold, and has always exhibited the same patterns, strengths and flaws as he has shown this year.
And the part about Hunt organising the players really well and had them playing with depth... Talk about wishfull thinking!
It's been years since that has happened, it wasn't even happening with Locky in the side.
Funny how Hunt didn't organise **** when he came into a hopelessly off form side at the end of the season, or was that because he didn't have Norman to enable his superpowers?

I won't argue your last line in the least. That should go for any player really!
But you left the part out where Norman was even worse, and was by far the biggest contributor to the side's failure this season. No one in his right mind would choose Norman over Wallace based on what we've seen from both players. Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Norman was ignoring those overlaps and running at the line because Wallace was whispering in his ear... :loool:

Yes, Wallace had a really crappy spell during the Origin hangover, as did Norman. While the young guy looked lost and uninterested, the red head was busting a gut and trying too hard to do both halves job. So let's reward the lazy uninterested bloke and punish the one that never gave less than 110%! :001_rolleyes:

I really hope Hunt gets the chance to show whether he can actually explore his potential and become our first choice half. I agree he is the most creative halve we have, but he needs a steady head next to him. Besides, Norman is not a 5/8, at least not yet. But he could be a very good ball playing FB.

Here here.

 

[broncos4life]

Re: Scott Prince

Come on, a bit of perspective is needed when judging NRL players ... Adam Reynolds is NOT a great player / great organising halfback .. He's a young bloke who's had a very good first season at the top level ..

If he can build on what he did in 2012 and still be producing the goods CONSISTENTLY IN FIRST GRADE two or three years from now, and if he's lucky enough to play state of origin and hold his own at that level, then and only then will he deserve to be approaching 'greatness' as a RL number 7 ..

Longevity is the mark of excellence in professional sport and until Reynolds proves to be anything more than a 'one hit wonder' (how many of those have we seen in the numbers 6 & 7 over the last couple of decades?) the word 'great' does not belong in the same sentence as his name.

Nor for that matter do comparisons that rate him higher than someone like Peter Wallace.

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