Seibold General Discussion

broncsgoat

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Anyone who thinks that a raft of injuries / suspensions, regardless of who we’re missing as a result, doesn’t have an enormous impact on a young side is dead-set clueless.

More than anything, young players need cohesion; they need to know who is either side of them to feel as comfortable as possible when their backs are inevitably up against the wall.

Our incredibly young team hasn’t had that all year. How often have we been able to name the same 17 and then not have to make in game changes?

Sure it’s not the only reason for our form, but it would have to at least be one of the major factors.

But then again, some people on here have absolutely no intention of considering opinions that don't reflect their own.
Of course it hasn’t an impact, every team encounters it every year. Using it as an excuse is the ridiculous thing.
 

winslow_wong

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Of course it hasn’t an impact, every team encounters it every year. Using it as an excuse is the ridiculous thing.
You think about all the halves we had training over the pre season and not one of them is currently available. I know you’re thinking Milford but he’s had to move to cover Darius Boyd
 

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Of course it hasn’t an impact, every team encounters it every year. Using it as an excuse is the ridiculous thing.
I would like to know which other teams have lost as many key players as we have throughout the year, and lost as many players in key positions and didn't decline as a result.

Pete's example of Manly, they actually did decline and lost most of their games. So did the Cowboys until they stopped suffering injuries.

When the Roosters and Rabbitohs started getting injuries to key players, guess what happened? They declined as well.

A healthy roster is crucial to doing well in this comp. We didn't just suffer an injury or two every now and then. It was constant, and as a result it led to constant chopping and changing, which has a very big impact on a side's ability to do well.
 

pagey

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You think about all the halves we had training over the pre season and not one of them is currently available. I know you’re thinking Milford but he’s had to move to cover Darius Boyd
You mean all our rookie halves. Two got moved on and 3 injured and between them they have about 5 games in total between them. I like Milford at 1 but I can't see the benefit atm with no quality halves.
 

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You mean all our rookie halves. Two got moved on and 3 injured and between them they have about 5 games in total between them. I like Milford at 1 but I can't see the benefit atm with no quality halves.
He can do what he did at 5/8 from fullback ... With the added benefit of giving him more space and bringing his running game back into his arsenal ...
 

Big Pete

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Of course it hasn’t an impact, every team encounters it every year. Using it as an excuse is the ridiculous thing.
Exactly, this current injury toll doesn't even compare to what the Broncos had to face in years like 2010, 2007 and 2001. Even when the side was close to full strength, they rarely delivered on the field. The only win worth crowing about was against the Roosters, but maybe it shouldn't count becuase they were missing Jake Friend, Boyd Cordner, Daniel Tupou, Brett Morris and lost Taukeiaho in the second half.

There's deeper issues at the club and no, Seibold isn't entirely to blame for the make-up of the roster.
 

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I would like to know which other teams have lost as many key players as we have throughout the year, and lost as many players in key positions and didn't decline as a result.
Speaking of injuries, here's the performance that inspired our brave captain's 1 meters from 1 run against the Cowboys:


How Cronk overcame 'car crash' injury to win a grand final

Cooper Cronk played in Sunday night's grand final with an injury usually seen in car crash victims, such was the severity of the 15cm fracture through the width of his scapula.
After the premiership triumph, Sydney Roosters doctor Ameer Ibrahim provided a detailed run down of what Cronk went through in the lead-up to the decider to be able to take the field.

Last Sunday: Scans reveal the Sydney Roosters' worst nightmare
"Robbo (Roosters coach Trent Robinson) was really calm, he was saying 'If it's negative news I don't want to hear about it, you just have to give him every minute'," Ibrahim said. "But in the back of my mind I'm saying, 'he's no chance, he's no chance'. I spoke to about four or five different shoulder specialists – orthopaedic surgeons – to see if there was anything we could do. Can we operate and get him back in a week? Nah, we couldn't do that. They said the only thing you can do is 'he can't play'. It's unstable he can't play, he can't play."

Wednesday: The Roosters organise a CT scan and local anaesthetic injection
"We did a trial injection to see what would happen with a local anesthetic," Ibrahim said.
"He got some relief from it but not enough. I thought if we could get that again, he might be better if we gave him a bit more. Unfortunately it was done with a CT scan. So I was thinking if I get a CT scan I have to find a place around here (ANZ Stadium).
"If we do a CT scan in Auburn (before the game) and maybe get a police escort here to the game to get him out there. Then I rang a friend of mine who owns a practice around here and he said I don't think you need a CT scan, I think you can do it with an ultrasound. So I said let's do a test injection."

Friday: Cronk travels to Castle Hill to undergo ultrasound and further injections following an appointment with surgeon Dr Craig Harris
"With the ultrasound, you can see where everything is," Ibrahim said. "He gave a big dose and within 15 minutes he was able to move his arm, the physio was tackling him to the ground. He was passing. He'd gone from 'I'm going to chuck the towel in' to 'I'm half a chance' after that injection. I rang the guy and he said 'I can do it on game day if you want'. I said 'done'. Then it was up to the coach and the player to see if they wanted to take the risk on the injection and see if it would wear out. It's one thing to have an injection and be numb and throw a ball around, but if you get hit out there it wears off pretty quickly.

"I've never seen it done. Everyone I spoke to hadn't done it. We broke it down to first principles. What's the worse that can happen and move backwards from there. Could we get rid of pain? Could we improve function? We could. After that it was OK. I knew he wasn't going to do any more damage. It's a broken bone but it's not a weight-bearing bone.

"It's like a Roman Polanski movie. You look at it and you don't know where to start but by the end it becomes really clear. Whereas the CT scan injected one area, with the ultrasound we were able to inject the length of the fracture line. He was able to do push ups. He was able to pass. As the week went on it was almost like we were humouring him a bit going through the motions but come Friday – it was just really fortunate I called this bloke – he literally went from no chance to 'I'm playing'."

Game day: Cronk requires double dose of injections to get through the match
"The radiologist (Dr Harris) came, we got him a pass and he brought his machine with him. He got here at five o'clock and he injected it (at 6.45pm) as we did on Friday before the match and then topped him up at half-time," Ibrahim said.

"That fracture is what you see with motorbike accidents and car accidents. It was the width of his scapula – the entire width. Which would have been 15cm. We cut the jersey off at half-time. We didn't want to waste any time. He'd already marked the area he was going to inject with permanent marker. The second time around was a lot quicker to inject.

"The other thing to note is that it was the maximum dose we could give him. Anything more and it starts playing with your heart. If you give someone too much local anaesthetic their heart goes into a funny rhythm. We gave him 20ml before the match and 15ml at half-time. The maximum we could give him was 45mL. He would have been in 11 out of 10 pain coming here today."

Robinson openly admitted Cronk's performance left him in awe.
"I've seen guys get injured in games but I haven't seen a guy fracture his scapula, complete break through the scapula and then play 60 minutes with it then have to deal with it all week, have four different lots of injections through the week - I've never seen a guy as mentally strong as Cooper Cronk," Robinson said. "What this guy had to do this week to get there was incredible."

Cronk shifted the praise to the Roosters for getting him game-ready in time for kick-off.
"Everyone at this football club has sacrificed something for me to be here. I don't take that responsibility lightly, that was the motivation, and it was my duty to do whatever I could do to repay that faith," Cronk said. "From the top down, everyone in this organisation sacrificed something for me to be here. I don't take that responsibility lightly, that was the motivation.

Roosters lift the the 2018 Premiership trophy
"We didn't know if I would be able to play. It was only a last-minute thing ... the boys trained all week without me playing and the whole idea was to use me as a decoy.
"Luke Keary was outstanding tonight, everything was set up for him to have the game of his life and he delivered."
 

pagey

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We also have no quality fullbacks, what’s your point?
Fullbacks don't run football teams, that's the point.
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He can do what he did at 5/8 from fullback ... With the added benefit of giving him more space and bringing his running game back into his arsenal ...
He needs to play like a 7 not a 6 atm
Can't control the team at 1, I'm not saying leave him there. Just for the sake of the team we need a most experienced half running the show , that's why we look like a rabble. Turpin isn't a 7 and boyd at his best isn't a half, but boyd busted shouldn't be close to a spine position.
 
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broncsgoat

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He can do what he did at 5/8 from fullback ... With the added benefit of giving him more space and bringing his running game back into his arsenal ...
He ran for 55m on Thursday. He’s run under 100 in the majority of the games that he’s been back there. It’s not good enough for a modern day fullback.
 

pagey

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He ran for 55m on Thursday. He’s run under 100 in the majority of the games that he’s been back there. It’s not good enough for a modern day fullback.
Yep , would like to see isaako have a crack at 1 under seibold.
 

Tomato Sorcerer

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Exactly, this current injury toll doesn't even compare to what the Broncos had to face in years like 2010, 2007 and 2001. Even when the side was close to full strength, they rarely delivered on the field. The only win worth crowing about was against the Roosters, but maybe it shouldn't count becuase they were missing Jake Friend, Boyd Cordner, Daniel Tupou, Brett Morris and lost Taukeiaho in the second half.

There's deeper issues at the club and no, Seibold isn't entirely to blame for the make-up of the roster.
Why shouldn’t the roosters win count?
It’s not like injuries have any impact on how a team performs.. Geez..
 

Big Pete

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You got any clue what those deeper issues might be, just from a speculatory place?
I wasn't referring to any conspiracies or anything too cryptic, just the state of the roster.

Obviously the way Seibold's appointment was handled wasn't ideal and has helped shaped how this season is going, but I wasn't alluding to that.

Why shouldn’t the roosters win count?
It’s not like injuries have any impact on how a team performs.. Geez..
Of course it counts, I was just making light of how silly it is to place so much blame on injuries, especially when there are more pressing matters.
 

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This place at times is very strange. Nikorema couldn't organise a chook raffle. This place wanted him moved to super sub position and thats exactly what Siebs attempted to do.

The call for Milf to fullback was constant now it's get him back to 5/8.

We wanted somebody to apply heat to Macca, well we have 2 players doing just that.


Its not just the injuries in our halfs that has us playing ugly its that our spine is essentially broken with Boyd in it offering nothing and to a smaller degree Macca.

Milf can't go back to 5/8 as with Boyd at the back Milf is just an easier target. As he does not get involved there either.

Seibs isn't going anywhere anytime in the next 3 years so stop pulling yourselfs. Seibs can't and wont be judged off one or even two years. He has to secure talent for the next three + years and change/develop their footy minds over the next two years.

Anyone with any football brains without an agenda didn't think we were top four team. The media hyped the team to sink the boot in.

The reality was and is that the Broncos are three years away and if anyone doubts that the Board didn't know that when they hired Seibs they are kidding. Its exactly why they hired him and moved Wayne on. They believed Wayne didn't have the time left in the game to get this team right.

The mediocrity at the Broncos has been ongoing for more than a decade. The Hook era was pathetic. The new Wayne era apart from 15 was nothing. We got boring and predictable. Our young players got 10 minute stints at the end of games and our defencive intensity never improved because we lacked fitness. Fat bird fat milf lazy Roberts. That for sure has changed.

This team if it can stay together for three years has the potential to win a GF it was never this year.



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winslow_wong

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This place at times is very strange. Nikorema couldn't organise a chook raffle. This place wanted him moved to super sub position and thats exactly what Siebs attempted to do.

The call for Milf to fullback was constant now it's get him back to 5/8.

We wanted somebody to apply heat to Macca, well we have 2 players doing just that.


Its not just the injuries in our halfs that has us playing ugly its that our spine is essentially broken with Boyd in it offering nothing and to a smaller degree Macca.

Milf can't go back to 5/8 as with Boyd at the back Milf is just an easier target. As he does not get involved there either.

Seibs isn't going anywhere anytime in the next 3 years so stop pulling yourselfs. Seibs can't and wont be judged off one or even two years. He has to secure talent for the next three + years and change/develop their footy minds over the next two years.

Anyone with any football brains without an agenda didn't think we were top four team. The media hyped the team to sink the boot in.

The reality was and is that the Broncos are three years away and if anyone doubts that the Board didn't know that when they hired Seibs they are kidding. Its exactly why they hired him and moved Wayne on. They believed Wayne didn't have the time left in the game to get this team right.

The mediocrity at the Broncos has been ongoing for more than a decade. The Hook era was pathetic. The new Wayne era apart from 15 was nothing. We got boring and predictable. Our young players got 10 minute stints at the end of games and our defencive intensity never improved because we lacked fitness. Fat bird fat milf lazy Roberts. That for sure has changed.

This team if it can stay together for three years has the potential to win a GF it was never this year.



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The sooner Boyd is moved on the sooner things get better.
 

Porthoz

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Yeah, and ignoring the young and inexperienced team part also comes in pretty handy, especially when comparing with teams that had injuries to key players, but were still able to put very experienced teams on the park.

Also love the vaguely mythical "more pressing matters" Seibold needs to address.
I wonder whether we're using the wrong washing powder or liquid for the players jerseys, or maybe the socks are made of the wrong material...? Pressing matters indeed.
 

Big Pete

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Yeah, and ignoring the young and inexperienced team part also comes in pretty handy, especially when comparing with teams that had injuries to key players, but were still able to put very experienced teams on the park.

Also love the vaguely mythical "more pressing matters" Seibold needs to address.
I wonder whether we're using the wrong washing powder or liquid for the players jerseys, or maybe the socks are made of the wrong material...? Pressing matters indeed.
I didn't ignore anything, all I've said is that there are bigger issues facing this side than injuries. When I say there are deeper issues or there's more pressing matters, I'm covering a lot of ground and a lot of them have been addressed in this thread.
 

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