Seibold General Discussion

Stu_9

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Seibs has inherited a roster that Wayne was able to do nothing with, in all honesty.
We won't do anything this year, but what Seibs has done is exactly what he was hired to do - come in and make changes.
Niko was no 6.
Milf is no half.
Darius is no 1.
Macca is done as a 9.
Notice anything? That is our entire spine.

Wayne chose not to change anything with the spine (from an outsider looking in,) and made it pretty clear (when the halves were continually not firing,) that nothing was going to change in the key positions. Don't forget Boyd and Macca were also rubbish last year.
The club wanted change, and that is exactly what Seibs was hired to do
That is exactly what Seibs is doing.
Change takes time, we haven't had success since 2006. With the inherited squad that Seibs has, it is/was always going to take time to remove the players he did not think were working in those positions.
Take all that into account, and also the salary cap. We have massive dollar$ wrapped up in Milf, Boyd and Bird. None of these players currently deserve what they're reportably being paid.
Don't get me wrong, Wayne did some good things in signing Haas, bringing TPJ & Lodge into this squad, but things with our key players needed to change.
Seibs has had to blood a lot of young blokes this year, also factor in Dearden being injured for the last couple of months, Bird's injury and Gillo's injury + suspensions to Haas, Lodge, TPJ and Fleggs. There has been no consistent 17 week at all this year.
We have a Hooker and a grandpa in the halves, because choices 1 & 2 are both injured.
I believe we are heading in the right direction. I don't think any coach, including Bellamy would have been able to do anything with this squad this year.

We are building for the future, It is as simple as that for mine.
 

pagey

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Seibs has inherited a roster that Wayne was able to do nothing with, in all honesty.
We won't do anything this year, but what Seibs has done is exactly what he was hired to do - come in and make changes.
Niko was no 6.
Milf is no half.
Darius is no 1.
Macca is done as a 9.
Notice anything? That is our entire spine.

Wayne chose not to change anything with the spine (from an outsider looking in,) and made it pretty clear (when the halves were continually not firing,) that nothing was going to change in the key positions. Don't forget Boyd and Macca were also rubbish last year.
The club wanted change, and that is exactly what Seibs was hired to do
That is exactly what Seibs is doing.
Change takes time, we haven't had success since 2006. With the inherited squad that Seibs has, it is/was always going to take time to remove the players he did not think were working in those positions.
Take all that into account, and also the salary cap. We have massive dollar$ wrapped up in Milf, Boyd and Bird. None of these players currently deserve what they're reportably being paid.
Don't get me wrong, Wayne did some good things in signing Haas, bringing TPJ & Lodge into this squad, but things with our key players needed to change.
Seibs has had to blood a lot of young blokes this year, also factor in Dearden being injured for the last couple of months, Bird's injury and Gillo's injury + suspensions to Haas, Lodge, TPJ and Fleggs. There has been no consistent 17 week at all this year.
We have a Hooker and a grandpa in the halves, because choices 1 & 2 are both injured.
I believe we are heading in the right direction. I don't think any coach, including Bellamy would have been able to do anything with this squad this year.

We are building for the future, It is as simple as that for mine.
Plenty of flaws there mate. Most clubs would take being in the finals and a GF some sort of success. Niko is a 6 , maybe not the best but is a 6 with the warriors none the less. You're kinda right about Darius he won fullback of the year in 2010 , but form wise is definitely struggling. So the question to that is if he isn't a 1 why the **** put him at 6??
I'm over this bullshit about seibold dealing with the team Wayne put together, seibold has put some peices to his side by letting people go and bringing some in. He's also chosen to keep certain players in certain positions, so he needs to accept the results he is getting. And I guarantee Bellamy would've done better.
 

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Plenty of flaws there mate. Most clubs would take being in the finals and a GF some sort of success. Niko is a 6 , maybe not the best but is a 6 with the warriors none the less. You're kinda right about Darius he won fullback of the year in 2010 , but form wise is definitely struggling. So the question to that is if he isn't a 1 why the **** put him at 6??
I'm over this bullshit about seibold dealing with the team Wayne put together, seibold has put some peices to his side by letting people go and bringing some in. He's also chosen to keep certain players in certain positions, so he needs to accept the results he is getting. And I guarantee Bellamy would've done better.
'15 was a long time ago. We were getting shitter every year under him. He even admitted he didn't teach us any attack in '15. He told us the aim was for a premiership in '17, he was dead wrong. He had his chance, moving on from him was the right choice.
 

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Plenty of flaws there mate. Most clubs would take being in the finals and a GF some sort of success. Niko is a 6 , maybe not the best but is a 6 with the warriors none the less. You're kinda right about Darius he won fullback of the year in 2010 , but form wise is definitely struggling. So the question to that is if he isn't a 1 why the **** put him at 6??
I'm over this bullshit about seibold dealing with the team Wayne put together, seibold has put some peices to his side by letting people go and bringing some in. He's also chosen to keep certain players in certain positions, so he needs to accept the results he is getting. And I guarantee Bellamy would've done better.
I think Darius is in this side purely because there are no older heads other then himself, macca and Glenn, chuck into the factor that he is the captain.
I never said Bellamy wouldn’t have done any better, he would have, no doubt, but I still don’t believe that we would have competed with the likes of the top teams this year.
It’s not a dig at Wayne, it’s more about taking a broader more complete look, of what is actually going on.
As for niko not being a half, that’s my opinion. Look at the warriors without him on Friday. I think he is a 14 or possibly a 9.
I don’t agree with all seibs’ selections, but in some instances I think his hands are kind of tied.
If macca and Boyd were both dropped from this squad, I think there would be large blacklash from the playing group. There is no doubt that Boyd and Macca are well loved and respected by their team mates. I think to some degree, seibs probably feels as though the large changes to the key positions, the players that he has agreed to release and all the young blood he has had to blood are probably about as much as any squad could handle in one season.
I do recall reading something that as soon as the swap happened - between the two coaches, the hierarchy at Brisbane knew that this would be a rebuild year. From memory they didn’t seem too worried about not going deep into the finals purely because seibs was building for the future.
I think next year we will find truely how this squad is going to perform. With a bit of luck Darius and the club will work out a position for him outside of the 17
 

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And I guarantee Bellamy would've done better.
This is really interesting and I would have loved to see how this would have panned out. Not sure how Bellamy would have handled things if he was in a similar position but would love to see how he would handle the whole Boyd/Macca issues.
 

pagey

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'15 was a long time ago. We were getting shitter every year under him. He even admitted he didn't teach us any attack in '15. He told us the aim was for a premiership in '17, he was dead wrong. He had his chance, moving on from him was the right choice.
Never said it wasn't, like I said we need to move on from the Bennett v seibold. It's all seibold now , so let's concentrate on that.
 

winslow_wong

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I think Darius is in this side purely because there are no older heads other then himself, macca and Glenn, chuck into the factor that he is the captain.
I never said Bellamy wouldn’t have done any better, he would have, no doubt, but I still don’t believe that we would have competed with the likes of the top teams this year.
It’s not a dig at Wayne, it’s more about taking a broader more complete look, of what is actually going on.
As for niko not being a half, that’s my opinion. Look at the warriors without him on Friday. I think he is a 14 or possibly a 9.
I don’t agree with all seibs’ selections, but in some instances I think his hands are kind of tied.
If macca and Boyd were both dropped from this squad, I think there would be large blacklash from the playing group. There is no doubt that Boyd and Macca are well loved and respected by their team mates. I think to some degree, seibs probably feels as though the large changes to the key positions, the players that he has agreed to release and all the young blood he has had to blood are probably about as much as any squad could handle in one season.
I do recall reading something that as soon as the swap happened - between the two coaches, the hierarchy at Brisbane knew that this would be a rebuild year. From memory they didn’t seem too worried about not going deep into the finals purely because seibs was building for the future.
I think next year we will find truely how this squad is going to perform. With a bit of luck Darius and the club will work out a position for him outside of the 17
What’s the point of having darius’ old head around? 1 run for 1 metre. What a great example he’s showing the youngsters. He’s a has been that will not improve in the slightest from here on. Let the poor guy go. He’s in agony and dragging the whole club down with him.
 

pagey

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I think Darius is in this side purely because there are no older heads other then himself, macca and Glenn, chuck into the factor that he is the captain.
I never said Bellamy wouldn’t have done any better, he would have, no doubt, but I still don’t believe that we would have competed with the likes of the top teams this year.
It’s not a dig at Wayne, it’s more about taking a broader more complete look, of what is actually going on.
As for niko not being a half, that’s my opinion. Look at the warriors without him on Friday. I think he is a 14 or possibly a 9.
I don’t agree with all seibs’ selections, but in some instances I think his hands are kind of tied.
If macca and Boyd were both dropped from this squad, I think there would be large blacklash from the playing group. There is no doubt that Boyd and Macca are well loved and respected by their team mates. I think to some degree, seibs probably feels as though the large changes to the key positions, the players that he has agreed to release and all the young blood he has had to blood are probably about as much as any squad could handle in one season.
I do recall reading something that as soon as the swap happened - between the two coaches, the hierarchy at Brisbane knew that this would be a rebuild year. From memory they didn’t seem too worried about not going deep into the finals purely because seibs was building for the future.
I think next year we will find truely how this squad is going to perform. With a bit of luck Darius and the club will work out a position for him outside of the 17
I still think he can do better, macca is a way better option in the halves.
I've mentioned multiple times that this is a rebuild year, but after round 21 we still look like we haven't a clue. I've also mentioned that I am happy to give him the following season, but if we fail we I have major problems.
 

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Anyone with any football brains without an agenda didn't think we were top four team. The media hyped the team to sink the boot in.
This part of your post is fucking hilarious. Pretty much everyone on this board had us finishing top 4

And to say the media did it out of spite just to stick it to us is laughable.

Ive said it ad nauseum but we won 60% of games, beat 3 of the top 4 twice and finished one win from the minor premiers. seibs was meant to improve us which is what caused the optimism on here and in the media. Instead, we went backwards and it is being spun into a rebuild being necessary which is just fucking ridiculous.
 

broncsgoat

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'15 was a long time ago. We were getting shitter every year under him. He even admitted he didn't teach us any attack in '15. He told us the aim was for a premiership in '17, he was dead wrong. He had his chance, moving on from him was the right choice.
FWIW that ‘17 prediction was at the start of 15’. How was he to know we’d go so close that same year and our half back would develop a mental issue due to bottling the premiership in that year?
 

Tom

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FWIW that ‘17 prediction was at the start of 15’. How was he to know we’d go so close that same year and our half back would develop a mental issue due to bottling the premiership in that year?
We did go close, didn't we. Until we went away from what had been working all season in the last half of footy that season. I expect more from Bennett, using Ben Hunt as an excuse for his subsequent failure and inability to reach his stated goals is a really, really, really cheap copout.
 

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And I guarantee Bellamy would've done better.
Even Bellamy would need time to get this squad where it needed to be ... for 2 main reasons.

1. He wouldn't have had the systems in place that he has spent the last 15 years at the Storm perfecting. he would have had to start building them here.

2. He wouldn't have Cameron Smith
 

broncsgoat

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We did go close, didn't we. Until we went away from what had been working all season in the last half of footy that season. I expect more from Bennett, using Ben Hunt as an excuse for his subsequent failure and inability to reach his stated goals is a really, really, really cheap copout.
Cheap cop outs are all the rage mate, haven’t you heard we’ve had some injuries this year?
 

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This place at times is very strange. Nikorema couldn't organise a chook raffle. This place wanted him moved to super sub position and thats exactly what Siebs attempted to do.

The call for Milf to fullback was constant now it's get him back to 5/8.

We wanted somebody to apply heat to Macca, well we have 2 players doing just that.


Its not just the injuries in our halfs that has us playing ugly its that our spine is essentially broken with Boyd in it offering nothing and to a smaller degree Macca.

Milf can't go back to 5/8 as with Boyd at the back Milf is just an easier target. As he does not get involved there either.

Seibs isn't going anywhere anytime in the next 3 years so stop pulling yourselfs. Seibs can't and wont be judged off one or even two years. He has to secure talent for the next three + years and change/develop their footy minds over the next two years.

Anyone with any football brains without an agenda didn't think we were top four team. The media hyped the team to sink the boot in.

The reality was and is that the Broncos are three years away and if anyone doubts that the Board didn't know that when they hired Seibs they are kidding. Its exactly why they hired him and moved Wayne on. They believed Wayne didn't have the time left in the game to get this team right.

The mediocrity at the Broncos has been ongoing for more than a decade. The Hook era was pathetic. The new Wayne era apart from 15 was nothing. We got boring and predictable. Our young players got 10 minute stints at the end of games and our defencive intensity never improved because we lacked fitness. Fat bird fat milf lazy Roberts. That for sure has changed.

This team if it can stay together for three years has the potential to win a GF it was never this year.



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Awesome post! It represents pretty much most of what I couldn’t be bothered typing, and eloquently at that.
 

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Even Bellamy would need time to get this squad where it needed to be ... for 2 main reasons.

1. He wouldn't have had the systems in place that he has spent the last 15 years at the Storm perfecting. he would have had to start building them here.

2. He wouldn't have Cameron Smith
... 3 main reasons:

3. He would have had Darius Boyd
 
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pagey

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Even Bellamy would need time to get this squad where it needed to be ... for 2 main reasons.

1. He wouldn't have had the systems in place that he has spent the last 15 years at the Storm perfecting. he would have had to start building them here.

2. He wouldn't have Cameron Smith
He still would've done better.
 

winslow_wong

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FWIW that ‘17 prediction was at the start of 15’. How was he to know we’d go so close that same year and our half back would develop a mental issue due to bottling the premiership in that year?
For all Bennett’s powers as a great manager and mentor of players, he was completely powerless in fixing Ben Hunt.
 

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We did go close, didn't we. Until we went away from what had been working all season in the last half of footy that season. I expect more from Bennett, using Ben Hunt as an excuse for his subsequent failure and inability to reach his stated goals is a really, really, really cheap copout.
Even by the low low standards of this thread this is an absolute pearler.
 

Tom

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Even by the low low standards of this thread this is an absolute pearler.
What? Blaming 2 seasons of mediocrity on 1 player. Who from memory completely outplayed his halves partner for the 1st half of '16. Yeah, I agree.
 

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