Seibold signs with Broncos for 4 years

[broncsgoat]

Attitude has nothing to do with experience or broken necks. We’re talking beating good side and losing to lesser ones. So the answer is yes, I am expecting our new coaching setup to improve attitude.

I would counter that experience has everything to do with attitude. I'm not saying Bennett was without fault in this area. But the fact he was able to get the team up to a level to beat the good teams to me suggest's that the lackluster efforts against weaker sides was due to the mentality of the inexperienced players believing they could just turn up and win. We beat the eventual premiers both times we played them, the sharks twice, Anthony Seibold's rabbitohs twice. You don't do that if the coach is unable to get the players ready.

 

[M.B.88]

Except we were beating the top sides and losing to the sides we were expected to beat.

Agree defense was an issue as well.

But not beating them in September

 

[M.B.88]

Attitude has nothing to do with experience or broken necks. We’re talking beating good side and losing to lesser ones. So the answer is yes, I am expecting our new coaching setup to improve attitude.

You don't think mental fatigue in inexperience players is a good reason?

You get yourself engaged mentally to beat the best players in the game, work all week, work all week physically and push yourself on game day, succeed, enjoy the spoils while riding the highs.

Next week you're playing the titans.

How do you get up for that when you're spent.

 

[mrslong]

Hey @Wolfie do you know what times Broncos training is on the next couple of weeks to take my kid down to watch the boys train?

 

[lynx000]

Also refreshing that in his very first training session, very early in the pre-season, Seibold has them working a combination of fitness drills, defensive drills and ballwork. I like that.

 

[Wolfie]

Hey @Wolfie do you know what times Broncos training is on the next couple of weeks to take my kid down to watch the boys train?

They change the times a lot. You can always try calling and asking them. Haven't been for a while so I don't really know. I used by to call 38589111 to get the Info about training times

 

[Big Pete]

I was absolutely elated when Henjak was sacked. As much as he brought a creative edge to our attack, his team was the only Broncos team I saw give up early in multiple games.

I will never forget what we looked like in that 56-0 defeat in Canberra, not because of the result itself, but because it was the absolute deepest point of the utterly unBronco lack of attitude as a collective, as well as by almost all players individually.
It wasn't a one off game either. Henjak's Broncos consistently became worse under his tenure. 2010 was by far our worst season ever!

Under Griffn, we went back to the boring Bennett ball without the roster to make it work. Still, we finished 3rd and made it to the Prelims in 2011, year of Lockyer's farewell, and were it not for a Kiwi's knee, we might have gone at least one further. The 2 years that followed were cursed by Locky's huge unfilled boots and injuries to key players. Still, we weren't as bad as under Henjak and except for 2013 with one of the biggest injury tolls we ever suffered, we were at least competitive and honestly, not very dissimilar from the last 3 years under Bennett. Except no one can do Bennett ball like Wayne...

I can see Seibold bring the creative attack we so dearly need, as well as the defensive steel that makes champions. I think our roster was literally screaming for a coach like him.

P.S. I also believe the Bunnies will be very competitive. They, unlike us, have a roster that suits Wayne's football to a T.

It was always going to end in tears with Ivan. Since the moment he was brought in, management displayed little faith in Henjak, placing him on a tight leash. One of the stories that came out about 'Ivan The Terrible' was how intense and stressful he was around the players. It had an adverse effect on the younger players making it difficult for them to sustain their form.

With Henjak's vision, I'm reminded of an old question you hear in Rugby League circles. The question of 'would you rather be a finals team every year and miss out on winning premierships, or would you be happy to endure lean periods for the sake of a premiership title'. I find fans when push come to shove are split down the middle, but when it comes to the Broncos they will always lean towards the former.

It's interesting that you brought up the 2010 vs 2013 comparison because it highlights that point. On one hand, the Broncos conceded 535 points in 2010, the second most in club history behind 2009 (566). In comparison the Broncos only conceded 477 points in 2013 despite winning less points. Then on the other you've got the Broncos scoring 508 points vs. 434 points (the second lowest in club history, behind the shortened 89 season). What that tells me is if you prefer 2013 then you're somebody who prides themselves on consistensy and believe that's key to premiership success. If you're more of a 2010 person, you're happy to ride the rollercoaster and accept all the highs and lows as you're making progress.

The Broncos also had a significant injury toll in 2010, particularly early on which saw them with a 2-6 record. Over that course the Broncos had Justin Hodges, Josh Hoffman, Jharal Yow Yeh, Corey Parker, Nick Kenny, Peter Wallace, Israel Folau, Denan Kemp, Antonio Winterstein, Andrew McCullough, Matt Gillett etc. missing for various games. Somehow the Broncos were able to reverse that and had an 11-9 record before Lockyer went down with an injury, spelling the premature end of the season.

Griffin certainly had his positive qualities, but I'm not sure if he deserves all the credit for the way 2011 panned out. Henjak was in charge of the squad for the majority of the pre-season and assembled most of the talent, so he deserves partial credit for that.

What it all comes down to was the Broncos inability to escape Bennett's shadow. Henjak tried to take the club in a different direction and right as the team was coming together, he was pushed out for somebody many would describe as a Bennett clone. In contrast to the events that have taken place these past few months, I feel the club is finally ready to move on.

As an aside...

I always found it interesting how Henjak and Griffin had such different views on the QCup. I touched on it briefly how Henjak seemingly ignored the competition, but when Griffin took over there was a real influx of QCup talent to the squad. Players like Jake Granville, Brendon Gibb, Nick Slyney, Luke Capewell, Joe Bond, Delroy Berryman, Nathaniel Barnes, Liam Georgetown, Chris McLean, Zach Strasser, Justin Hunt etc. were all brought in. Just an interesting insight into the different coaches and how they view the make-up of the squad.

 

[mrslong]

They change the times a lot. You can always try calling and asking them. Haven't been for a while so I don't really know. I used by to call 38589111 to get the Info about training times

OK, cheers for that!

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Having so many young blokes in our team probably didnt help our consistency .

I think this point has been largely underestimated.

 

[Locky’s Left Boot]

I blame Ben Hunt for losing the grand final. But not his dropped ball. I blame his spear tackle that gave them the field position in the first place. That is when the momentum swung their way.

I’m in a similar boat except I blamed him for the dropped ball on the first I think it was when Milford made that huge line break with a few minutes left when all they had to do was hold the ball.

 

[lynx000]

Any question mark over Seibold's appointment, whether it be from the press, the Old Boys sniping from the side line, the fans, rumours of internal division etc will all be resolved very simply. Get out of the blocks quickly playing a good style of football and have some early wins. If we are sitting up near the lead after the first 8-10 rounds all of the above will melt away.

 

[Morepudding]

Looking at Rabbitohs and Broncos first 5 rounds, Bennett definitely has the easier of the two draws...

Roosters, Dragons, Titans, Manly and Warriors. Honestly that should be 4 wins for them. Anything less than 4/5 would be a big failure in my book.

Broncos draw a lot tougher.

Storm(A), Cowboys(H), Dragons(H), Roosters(A), Tigers(H).I'd like to think that we should be around 3/5 from those games. Now that we don't have Bennett we might actually beat the storm for once haha.

 

[Porthoz]

I would counter that experience has everything to do with attitude. I'm not saying Bennett was without fault in this area. But the fact he was able to get the team up to a level to beat the good teams to me suggest's that the lackluster efforts against weaker sides was due to the mentality of the inexperienced players believing they could just turn up and win. We beat the eventual premiers both times we played them, the sharks twice, Anthony Seibold's rabbitohs twice. You don't do that if the coach is unable to get the players ready.

Yes, of course experience definitely has a lot to do with attitude, especially against the less vaunted opponents.

The thing is that it's 'easy' to get up for the games against the best teams. The coach doesn't need to do much to fire up the boys for a game against the Storm or the Cowboys. Where the coach comes in, is the ability to instil that attitude against the weaker teams, especially with more inexperienced players that can easily believe their own hype.

In fact, I was genuinely surprised that WB couldn't do that, because in my criticism of him, that was never something I was concerned about.

When things came off against the tougher to motivate teams, we put giant scores on them (Titans, Manly, Panthers even) because we have a lot of talent, but when the opponent came to play and defended hard, we often just had no answers.

I hope Seibold brings these things:
- The never give up attitude which has always been a Broncos mark.
- Consistency and defensive steel (which will be he toughest proposition in such a young roster)
- Attacking game plan that takes advantage of the talent we have (by far, my biggest criticism of WB)

 

[Porthoz]

It was always going to end in tears with Ivan. Since the moment he was brought in, management displayed little faith in Henjak, placing him on a tight leash. One of the stories that came out about 'Ivan The Terrible' was how intense and stressful he was around the players. It had an adverse effect on the younger players making it difficult for them to sustain their form.

With Henjak's vision, I'm reminded of an old question you hear in Rugby League circles. The question of 'would you rather be a finals team every year and miss out on winning premierships, or would you be happy to endure lean periods for the sake of a premiership title'. I find fans when push come to shove are split down the middle, but when it comes to the Broncos they will always lean towards the former.

It's interesting that you brought up the 2010 vs 2013 comparison because it highlights that point. On one hand, the Broncos conceded 535 points in 2010, the second most in club history behind 2009 (566). In comparison the Broncos only conceded 477 points in 2013 despite winning less points. Then on the other you've got the Broncos scoring 508 points vs. 434 points (the second lowest in club history, behind the shortened 89 season). What that tells me is if you prefer 2013 then you're somebody who prides themselves on consistensy and believe that's key to premiership success. If you're more of a 2010 person, you're happy to ride the rollercoaster and accept all the highs and lows as you're making progress.

The Broncos also had a significant injury toll in 2010, particularly early on which saw them with a 2-6 record. Over that course the Broncos had Justin Hodges, Josh Hoffman, Jharal Yow Yeh, Corey Parker, Nick Kenny, Peter Wallace, Israel Folau, Denan Kemp, Antonio Winterstein, Andrew McCullough, Matt Gillett etc. missing for various games. Somehow the Broncos were able to reverse that and had an 11-9 record before Lockyer went down with an injury, spelling the premature end of the season.

Griffin certainly had his positive qualities, but I'm not sure if he deserves all the credit for the way 2011 panned out. Henjak was in charge of the squad for the majority of the pre-season and assembled most of the talent, so he deserves partial credit for that.

What it all comes down to was the Broncos inability to escape Bennett's shadow. Henjak tried to take the club in a different direction and right as the team was coming together, he was pushed out for somebody many would describe as a Bennett clone. In contrast to the events that have taken place these past few months, I feel the club is finally ready to move on.

As an aside...

I always found it interesting how Henjak and Griffin had such different views on the QCup. I touched on it briefly how Henjak seemingly ignored the competition, but when Griffin took over there was a real influx of QCup talent to the squad. Players like Jake Granville, Brendon Gibb, Nick Slyney, Luke Capewell, Joe Bond, Delroy Berryman, Nathaniel Barnes, Liam Georgetown, Chris McLean, Zach Strasser, Justin Hunt etc. were all brought in. Just an interesting insight into the different coaches and how they view the make-up of the squad.

When comparing 2010 and 2013, I look at the attitude on the field.
While we wanted and tried, but couldn't in 2013... there was no effort or will in the 2010 team once they lost their captain.

The injury toll in 2010 also wasn't that bad (except for the loss of Locky), as most injuries were relatively short and not compounding, as was the case in 2013.

If Hook doesn't deserve credit for 2011, let's remember that Wayne took us to the 2015 Grand Final with a roster almost completely assembled by Griffin (Blair and Boyd being the notable additions).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Hook. His lack of football vision severely ground my gears, but at least he was capable of putting a team on the field that produced the effort I demand from any player wearing a Broncos jersey, and he suffered more from the departure of Locky than Bennett's shadow, in my opinion.

 

[Morkel]

When comparing 2010 and 2013, I look at the attitude on the field.
While we wanted and tried, but couldn't in 2013... there was no effort or will in the 2010 team once they lost their captain.

The injury toll in 2010 also wasn't that bad (except for the loss of Locky), as most injuries were relatively short and not compounding, as was the case in 2013.

If Hook doesn't deserve credit for 2011, let's remember that Wayne took us to the 2015 Grand Final with a roster almost completely assembled by Griffin (Blair and Boyd being the notable additions).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Hook. His lack of football vision severely ground my gears, but at least he was capable of putting a team on the field that produced the effort I demand from any player wearing a Broncos jersey, and he suffered more from the departure of Locky than Bennett's shadow, in my opinion.

We lost Hodges for the complete 2010 season. No coincidence we missed our first finals series in about 20 years.

 

[lynx000]

I like Seibold's concept of up-tempo training and training at a level above what is required during game play. I hope he factors in the fatigue that this will engender in the course of the season and plans appropriate breaks and other mechanisms to freshen the players up. It looked to me to some extent Souths started to fall into a bit of a hole towards the end of the season.

 

[Morkel]

How about we train as we play - at night. Use the heat of the day for strength and conditioning, but skills, drills and formations need to be done at night under lights.

 

[BroncosAlways]

An absolute great watch, after re-watching since his appointment as our coach I'm even more excited for his technical yet simple approach to footy.

Seems like a smart mind and level headed bloke as well, bring on 2019!