Six Again Calls

kooly87

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Absolutely. I understand that many people are upset with our performance and I am too. One would love to see more intestinal fortitude and resilience against the ref, but when you are CLEARLY up against it it is going to be an uphill battle after a landslide.

I cannot believe that we are that ill-disciplined compared to other teams. It just isn't possible to go from winning 2 games in a row to losing the penalty count so dramatically.

Do your stats include the 6-again calls?
No six again calls, just straight up penalties. No idea if they keep an official count on those, but if they do then I'm guessing it will read exactly like our penalty statistics - most conceded AND also least awarded to us.

Your point about going from winning two games to losing the penalty count is actually also a little off. We were losing the penalty count even back before the break when we were winning games. The penalty numbers presented include those games we won.

We haven't actually won a penalty count since Round 24 last year, which means by the time we play the Titans tomorrow, it will have been almost to the exact day, about 10 months since we last actually won a penalty count.
 
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BroncsFan

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No six again calls, just straight up penalties. No idea if they keep an official count on those, but if they do then I'm guessing it will read exactly like our penalty statistics - most conceded AND also least awarded to us.

Your point about going from winning two games to losing the penalty count is actually also a little off. We were losing the penalty count even back before the break when we were winning games. The penalty numbers presented include those games we won.

We haven't actually won a penalty count since Round 24 last year, which means by the time we play the Titans tomorrow, it will have been almost to the exact day, about 10 months since we last actually won a penalty count.
Just as an FYI fox sports keep track of the set restarts (below)... just for a matter of interest the "pride of the league" won the set restart last night 7 vs 2, but lost the penalties 6 v 8... still a net of 13 vs 10 combined though

 

kooly87

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Just as an FYI fox sports keep track of the set restarts (below)... just for a matter of interest the "pride of the league" won the set restart last night 7 vs 2, but lost the penalties 6 v 8... still a net of 13 vs 10 combined though

They don't have a table for overall YTD for that yet, so I'd have to work it out club by club, but for Brisbane I can tell you we've received 9 and conceded 18.

Newcastle were awarded 8 in just one game against us last week, only 1 less than we've received in total across 4 Rounds so far.
 

Organix

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Just as an FYI fox sports keep track of the set restarts (below)... just for a matter of interest the "pride of the league" won the set restart last night 7 vs 2, but lost the penalties 6 v 8... still a net of 13 vs 10 combined though

I'm not sure it is accurate. Was is really 2 vs 3 set restarts in the Eels game? If it was then it really demonstrates how the when and where of the 6-again impacts the game.
 

Thelmus

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The repeat rule really destroys the notion of tactical sets. What's the point of offloading anywhere but near line if the majority of sets will end with a restart? And even worse, why bother throwing the ball in your own half?
We have made the most boring type of football, the best tactic. Now, teams that struggle to make yards normally are marched downfield. I predict our large forwards will soon become obsolete, without a rule change soon. It all comes down to being on your back at the play-the-ball. You can do that with much smaller forwards.
To me, the most exciting site to see is backline move deep in your own half that ends up a try. That's now insane to even try. If we must persist with this repeat rule we must at least bring back the 5 metres, so as to give the game some balance or reduce tackle counts.
Otherwise, we will have two teams of halves facing each other with a couple of big wingers each.
 

Organix

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The repeat rule really destroys the notion of tactical sets. What's the point of offloading anywhere but near line if the majority of sets will end with a restart? And even worse, why bother throwing the ball in your own half?
We have made the most boring type of football, the best tactic. Now, teams that struggle to make yards normally are marched downfield. I predict our large forwards will soon become obsolete, without a rule change soon. It all comes down to being on your back at the play-the-ball. You can do that with much smaller forwards.
To me, the most exciting site to see is backline move deep in your own half that ends up a try. That's now insane to even try. If we must persist with this repeat rule we must at least bring back the 5 metres, so as to give the game some balance or reduce tackle counts.
Otherwise, we will have two teams of halves facing each other with a couple of big wingers each.
So you want to watch rugby union?
 

teampjta

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I absolutely hate this rule and it has nothing to do with our poor discipline or ability to adapt. The refs ability to influence the results of a game is borderline match fixing. If we are to persist with such garbage I’d rather see an advantage played and if non taken then blow the god damn penalty

Unfortunately as this was a Vlandys lead rule change you won’t hear any backlash from the fox broadcasters (I don’t watch 9). Kenty whose always been outspoken is clearly biased towards his mate and refuses to even start let alone contribute to any discussions relating to any of Vlandys changes

edit: that said we’ve been absolutely garbage, no direction, poor discipline and no urgency in ANYTHING we do
 
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Organix

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Unfortunately, due to the nature of the rule and its potential for misuse or match-fixing (call it what you will) there will, of course, be proponents for it. They are those who benefit from the rule. This causes those who provide opposing viewpoints to appear merely as being a sore loser or unable to adapt.
 
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Thelmus

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So you want to watch rugby union?
Which is the greatest try in origin? It isnt a sprint from dummy half or even a dive at a bomb out wide, its the mark coyne try that goes through 13 sets of hands.
The Renouf try from the 92 final is one of my favourite memories. It doesn't happen today.
We need two things in this game more than ever: unpredictability and drama.
This rule means teams with majority possession win regardless of quality unless you define that with quick play-the-balls catching opponents offside constantly.
Do really watch the game for that? I don't. I'd rather sprawling backline moves, impossible offloads carrying 3 men, the occasional steal, and yes even the spectacular leaps for tries out wide. I also want the big hits, but maybe I'm asking too much now but most of all I want a contest undecided by early repeat sets that then blow games apart and have the referee play a huge part in the result.
 

Waynesaurus

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It hasn't really fixed the wrestle either, its just all about above the ground now, hold the man up stop his progress, when the ref calls held knock him over. The 6 again calls have come from being slow on the ground.
 

Smartseal

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I'd be curious as to the percentage of calls on tackle 1-3 as opposed to 4-6, cos it seems to me that there is a real reluctance to give 6 again late in the tackle count.
 

ningnangnong

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I'm still at a loss as to how such a major rule change can be introduced AFTER the season has started?

Everyone has spent their pre-season working on the basis of the rules being the rules, and then these fuckin' eejits at NRL HQ just go and throw a curveball in there... how can you even take the game seriously when the rules are getting chopped and changed on a whim?
 
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Sproj

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I'm still at a loss as to how such a major rule change can be introduced AFTER the season has started?

Everyone has spent their pre-season working on the basis of the rules being the rules, and then these fuckin' eejits at NRL HQ just go and throw a curveball in there... how can you even take the game seriously when the rules are getting chopped and changed on a whim?
Only one team hasn't been able to adapt.
 

Dexter

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The repeat rule really destroys the notion of tactical sets. What's the point of offloading anywhere but near line if the majority of sets will end with a restart? And even worse, why bother throwing the ball in your own half?
We have made the most boring type of football, the best tactic. Now, teams that struggle to make yards normally are marched downfield. I predict our large forwards will soon become obsolete, without a rule change soon. It all comes down to being on your back at the play-the-ball. You can do that with much smaller forwards.
To me, the most exciting site to see is backline move deep in your own half that ends up a try. That's now insane to even try. If we must persist with this repeat rule we must at least bring back the 5 metres, so as to give the game some balance or reduce tackle counts.
Otherwise, we will have two teams of halves facing each other with a couple of big wingers each.
This kind of falls over on a couple of points.

The best attacking sides are definitely not just going from half, they are playing a very expansive style.

The 5 mtr change would be a disaster IMO. Teams are already rushing up and on top of the attack now, imagine what would happen under a 5 mtr rule.
 

Thelmus

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This kind of falls over on a couple of points.

The best attacking sides are definitely not just going from half, they are playing a very expansive style.

The 5 mtr change would be a disaster IMO. Teams are already rushing up and on top of the attack now, imagine what would happen under a 5 mtr rule.
They manage it after dominating possession, and that's the key. There is no incentive to so to break the game open. Once a team gains a sustained time in possession, they simply wear down their opponents to the point every set becomes an opportunity to score with a constantly retreating defence, that even with the ball in hand fails to make sufficient yards to reverse the momentum.
In the past a team could reverse momentum by slowing play down and kicking for touch, taking a conservative approach, whilst sweating on an opponents mistake. This is nigh on impossible with 70/30 possession, teams camped and defending their try for sometimes as much as 5 sets of defence. I mean how skillful do you need to be after putting a defence through that?
Its simply a case of who can manage it first with halves now all capable of achieving it to an extent, made worse with exhausted defenders.
We want two teams to be competitive as long as possible. This currently is a long way from the case. Score lines are more extreme than ever and many teams have a realistic shot of victory gone before half time. This can't be good for the game.
 

Harry Sack

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I think going back to the one ref has had as much of an impact personally. These guys just got too used to having a partner on the field who could watch X, Y and Z while they kept an eye on A, B and C. Ironically, I think this rule would be a whole lot better in the 2 ref system. That said, I don't like it purely because I think it takes away a lot of accountability when it comes to officiating. I'd like to see it tweaked, one restart then the next is just a penalty.
 

Allo

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We need to do something. Forget the broncos and look at the other matches. It's the same everywhere.
One team that gets sustained possession just never gives away momentum.
Or they other team get it in the second half and that’s why you see these comebacks happening. The game’s being played on a seesaw, just depends how long you’re running downhill for
 

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