NEWS Staggs in strife again

The NRL's Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (aka Integrity Unit) is shit sifting Kotoni Stagg's sauced up antics at the Eatons Hill Hotel over Easter. They have requested CCTV footage hoping to indentify a woman who can help them stitch up Kotoni.

The story currently circulating alleges the NSWelshman was on the turps with his mates before heading to the Eatons Hill Hotel in search of some action. All fine until just before 3am when the Broncos centre mustered the courage to make his move on one of a gaggle of women. Staggs tried his signature move of extending his arm around her but this time it didn't work. The lady nightowl allegedly didn't care for Stagg's advance and asked him to keep his mitts to himself. Bouncers intervened and promptly turfed the highly eligible bachelor out on his ear. And that was the end of that. Until the NRL got wind of it.

So now Kotoni has run afoul of the code's moral guardians 3 times in 12 months. Not a good look for the player holding the entire club to ransom over his contract.

Top NRL Mullah Andrew Abdo said this of his last incident back in February:

“We have issued him with a $10,000 fine and most importantly, he has to complete an education course and he has to meet with me personally and the head of integrity, together with the club CEO, before he is permitted to play again. We want him to understand the impact of his words on people and the responsibility that players have to the community. His language is utterly unacceptable but this is about making sure he understands the impact of that and actually changes."

Education

“There are three components - the fine, the education course and making sure he sits down with us. Getting them to meet with me is not the silver bullet, but I want to explain to them the impact this has on their personal brand, on the club brand and on the game’s brand and then there are two ways they can go from there."

“This is important in relation to Kotoni which is why we want to meet with him before he returns to the field.”









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[theshed]

What does the sex tape have to do with this incident? What does the homophobic slur have to do with this incident? If he is being reprimanded for those past incidents, thats all good and well, but the article i read said this latest incident may be why he wont get to play after he recovers from his injury.

I thought you were referring to the sex tape. I don’t think it’s relevant.

As for the homophobic slur incident, what do you mean what does it have to do with this? He’s made the news on 2 occasions within 6 months for alcohol related incidents involving the general public. How are they not related? Past incidents should absolutely be considered when deciding an appropriate response.

Though some have suggested that he still hasn’t met the conditions the NRL imposed on his return from the last indiscretion.

 

[Midean]

I thought you were referring to the sex tape. I don’t think it’s relevant.

As for the homophobic slur incident, what do you mean what does it have to do with this? He’s made the news on 2 occasions within 6 months for alcohol related incidents involving the general public. How are they not related? Past incidents should absolutely be considered when deciding an appropriate response.

Though some have suggested that he still hasn’t met the conditions the NRL imposed on his return from the last indiscretion.

I agree, however he has done nothing wrong in this case.
Was he barred from drinking?
Is it illegal to hit on and be rejected by a woman?

I just think that Abdo coming out and saying "in light of recent incidents he may not be allowed to play when he recovers from his injury" is utter bullshit.

I would be 100% with Abdo on his remarks if Staggs had broken the law.
But hitting the piss and getting rejected isnt bringing the game into disrepute, it just makes Staggs look like a sleazy drunk.

 

[Dexter]

Broncos' Staggs 'on thin ice' after pub incident

'Upset' NRL fuming over latest indiscretion

wwos.nine.com.au

Read it mate, i don't talk shit for no reason.
The NRL are publicly saying that in light of this most recent incident, he may not be allowed to play.
yes i consider that "woke" as they are using their moral standpoint to threaten him with not being allowed to play again, even though he broke no laws, and no rules.

This article specifically references this latest incident as the reason for him not being allowed to play again.
Obviously his past behavior plays a part in it, as does any repeat offender, but to use this latest incident is a joke as he has done nothing wrong.

Nope. The article you posted def refers to prior behaviour as well.

Staggs had been approached about his behaviour by NRL CEO Andrew Abdo prior to Thursday's incident and was under close watch from the game's governing body.

"He's on very thin ice with the NRL. They're pretty upset with the way he's behaved in the past three or four months. He has to demonstrate to them that he's changed or they will not let him play.

From a similar report that I have read

“Andrew Abdo wanted to meet him and Andrew subsequently had that meeting with Kotoni Staggs and painted it very clear: ‘clean up your act off the field or you won’t be allowed back in the game.’

“As part of that Kotoni has had to undergo some education courses with alcohol and with empathy, those sorts of things and he will not be allowed back in the game until he meets Andrew Abdo and demonstrates that he’s done those courses.”

Nobody was saying you talk shit just clarifying the info as we read it.

 

[Midean]

Nope. The article you posted def refers to prior behaviour as well.

Staggs had been approached about his behaviour by NRL CEO Andrew Abdo prior to Thursday's incident and was under close watch from the game's governing body.

"He's on very thin ice with the NRL. They're pretty upset with the way he's behaved in the past three or four months. He has to demonstrate to them that he's changed or they will not let him play.

From a similar report that I have read

“Andrew Abdo wanted to meet him and Andrew subsequently had that meeting with Kotoni Staggs and painted it very clear: ‘clean up your act off the field or you won’t be allowed back in the game.’

“As part of that Kotoni has had to undergo some education courses with alcohol and with empathy, those sorts of things and he will not be allowed back in the game until he meets Andrew Abdo and demonstrates that he’s done those courses.”

Nobody was saying you talk shit just clarifying the info as we read it.

Fair enough, i read it as it as written though, Abdo clearly states in light of recent incidents.
That comes on the back of this "breaking story".

Repeat offenders obviously need to keep their nose clean, but what Staggs is being pulled up for is hardly worth the paper its written on as being a sleazy drunk breaks no laws or rules.
It just makes Staggs look like a fool.

There are plenty of NRL players who have done a lot worse and been threatened with far less.

 

[john1420]

The only issue I have here is with Staggs' professionalism, he should not be on the booze while rehabbing a serious injury.
As for putting your arm around someone, have we really got that soft that this is a problem worthy of complaining to the club?
I grew up in a time where if someone did or said something that offended you, you simply told them instead of suing them.
I'm not a fan of this new world.

 

[Bongo]

I agree, however he has done nothing wrong in this case.
Was he barred from drinking?
Is it illegal to hit on and be rejected by a woman?

I just think that Abdo coming out and saying "in light of recent incidents he may not be allowed to play when he recovers from his injury" is utter bullshit.

I would be 100% with Abdo on his remarks if Staggs had broken the law.
But hitting the piss and getting rejected isnt bringing the game into disrepute, it just makes Staggs look like a sleazy drunk.

It depends how and the nature of his behaviour towards the female in this instance and the other incidents. We don't have enough information to pass judgement whether this is an over the top sanction or an appropriate response to a stupid rugby league player with a history of inappropriate behaviour. Personally, if Abdo is dealing with it directly, I think it is likely the latter

 

[Midean]

The only issue I have here is with Staggs' professionalism, he should not be on the booze while rehabbing a serious injury.
As for putting your arm around someone, have we really got that soft that this is a problem worthy of complaining to the club?
I grew up in a time where if someone did or said something that offended you, you simply told them instead of suing them.
I'm not a fan of this new world.

Yep, this is what i meant by NRL being "woke".
Unless Staggs was being persistent and not taking no for an answer, then there is no issue here.
If Staggs was being persistent, it would be a legal matter.

The woman in question appears to have been hit on by a drunk Staggs, then run to the Broncos and the NRL to tell on him for being a guy hitting on a girl.
Obviously this changes with more information depending on the situation, but as Andrew Johns recently said, it is at the point where players will need minders whenever they leave the house.

 

[Midean]

It depends how and the nature of his behaviour towards the female in this instance and the other incidents. We don't have enough information to pass judgement whether this is an over the top sanction or an appropriate response to a stupid rugby league player with a history of inappropriate behaviour. Personally, if Abdo is dealing with it directly, I think it is likely the latter

I agree, however if it was anything of concern, the law would be involved.
Otherwise its just a drunk fool hitting on a chick and getting rejected and certainly not something you threaten a players career over.
Hit him with a fine, force him into even more alcohol courses and get him to do a course on how to be respectful to women.
Dont punish the Broncos and the fans because your morals differ to Staggs.

 

[theshed]

I agree, however he has done nothing wrong in this case.
Was he barred from drinking?
Is it illegal to hit on and be rejected by a woman?

I just think that Abdo coming out and saying "in light of recent incidents he may not be allowed to play when he recovers from his injury" is utter bullshit.

I would be 100% with Abdo on his remarks if Staggs had broken the law.
But hitting the piss and getting rejected isnt bringing the game into disrepute, it just makes Staggs look like a sleazy drunk.

I am only commenting on the story provided and I apologise to Stagg if it is being misreported but again, why are you saying he did nothing wrong? He apparently put his arm around a woman and required being punted from the venue by security.

Why is breaking the law the line that has to be crossed? No one is saying he requires legal repercussions, millions of people have been fired from jobs for their behaviour without breaking the law. Companies have policies regarding expectations. If the NRL want to stipulate that getting drunk, putting your arm around people without consent, being kicked out by security for sleazy behaviour, and the story making the news is not in line with their brand identity, they absolutely have the right to stand that a person down over it.


Again, it concerns me that you think wrapping your arm around a woman you don’t know is just flirting. That isn’t flirting, brother, that’s assault. Don’t touch unwilling people you creep, male or female. Learn to read social cues.


Edit: the last 2 lines weren’t aimed at you lol. Just wanted to clarify

 

[Midean]

I am only commenting on the story provided and I apologise to Stagg if it is being misreported but again, why are you saying he did nothing wrong? He apparently put his arm around a woman and required being punted from the venue by security.

Why is breaking the law the line that has to be crossed? No one is saying he requires legal repercussions, millions of people have been fired from jobs for their behaviour without breaking the law. Companies have policies regarding expectations. If the NRL want to stipulate that getting drunk, putting your arm around people without consent, being kicked out by security for sleazy behaviour, and the story making the news is not in line with their brand identity, they absolutely have the right to stand that a person down over it.


Again, it concerns me that you think wrapping your arm around a woman you don’t know is just flirting. That isn’t flirting, brother, that’s assault. Don’t touch unwilling people you creep, male or female. Learn to read social cues.

Millions of people have been fired outside of work hours, in situations entirely unrelated to their job?

Don't do that, don't insinuate i condone his behavior at all, because i have not, i just said what he has done is not illegal otherwise the cops would be involved.
You are also assuming you know all the circumstances.
They could very well have been flirty, and he misread the ques and put his arm around her, and she put a stop to it.
It doesn't have to be some sinister rapey vibe like he is making unwanted advances for no reason, surely you are not that daft mate?

If there is more to the story, the situation changes. Dunno why you are trying to paint me as some supporter of sleazy abusive situations haha.

Also, if the NRL have clearly stated to Staggs that he is not allowed to go out and have few drinks at the risk of losing his job, then i stand corrected, but as far as i am aware, there is no player who is expressly forbidden to drink outside of work hours.

Getting drunk is not a good look, but if hitting the piss and making a fool of yourself is all it takes to lose your job, then none of us would be employed, except you of course you little angel you.

 

[theshed]

Millions of people have been fired outside of work hours, in situations entirely unrelated to their job?

Don't do that, don't insinuate i condone his behavior at all, because i have not, i just said what he has done is not illegal otherwise the cops would be involved.
You are also assuming you know all the circumstances.
They could very well have been flirty, and he misread the ques and put his arm around her, and she put a stop to it.
It doesn't have to be some sinister rapey vibe like he is making unwanted advances for no reason, surely you are not that fucking stupid mate?

If there is more to the story, the situation changes. Dunno why you are trying to paint me as some supporter of sleazy abusive situations haha.

Also, if the NRL have clearly stated to Staggs that he is not allowed to go out and have few drinks at the risk of losing his job, then i stand corrected, but as far as i am aware, there is no player who is expressly forbidden to drink outside of work hours.

Getting drunk is not a good look, but if hitting the piss and making a fool of yourself is all it takes to lose your job, then none of us would be employed, except you of course you little angel you.

Depending on the industry, yes. If I made the news for being drunk when I was on leave due to injury because I called someone who recognised me from my job a homo and my friends attacked that person, I would almost certainly lose my job.

If I made the news for undesired sexual advances and being kicked out of a venue, I would get a very stern talking to.

I’m not assuming the circumstances. What venue kicks out their rich high profile patron because of misread social cues? I’m just going off of what has been reported, and Stagg’s track record.


Regardless, the reported reason that Stagg is facing suspension is because his employing body, the NRL, has requested he seek out and complete a program aimed to improve his behaviour before he returns to his job, which he has apparently failed to do.

 

[Foordy]

looks like we have found something else far more serious than taking drugs before playing in a GF.

Badel reporting that Staggs is facing a 20k fine and a multi game suspension.

he says that the Broncos board have had enough of his off field issues and Staggs will be required to front the board to be read the riot act and placed on similar conditions to what they put TPJ on last year (also says that the board have been impressed with how TPJ responded and his attitude).

says that Parramatta will "almost certainly" abort a big money poaching bid for Staggs

 

[Midean]

Depending on the industry, yes. If I made the news for being drunk when I was on leave due to injury because I called someone who recognised me from my job a homo and my friends attacked that person, I would almost certainly lose my job.

If I made the news for undesired sexual advances and being kicked out of a venue, I would get a very stern talking to.

I’m not assuming the circumstances. What venue kicks out their rich high profile patron because of misread social cues? I’m just going off of what has been reported, and Stagg’s track record.


Regardless, the reported reason that Stagg is facing suspension is because his employing body, the NRL, has requested he seek out and complete a program aimed to improve his behaviour before he returns to his job, which he has apparently failed to do.

Except no one is making the news for being drunk unless they are high profile.
So no, millions of people are not losing their jobs because they hit the piss outside of work hours, this is just not true at all.
Companies may have standards, but most of the time, those standards end the minute you clock off, and so long as you are not in your work uniform, or expressly representing your job when you are on the piss, there is very little an employer can do to you for hitting the piss.
The only reason Staggs made the news is because he is high profile, otherwise this is a complete non-issue with no repercussions as he obviously didn't do enough to warrant the law getting involved.

Again it comes back to lose morals and being a dickhead, nothing more.
I am not privy to all the information so anything i say it assumption.

However i have been kicked out of venues in my youth for being too drunk, and it had nothing to do with hitting on chicks or causing trouble, i was just a drunk mess and told to leave.
I have also been rejected by women before, i hit on them, flirted with them, and got shut down, no big deal, move on.

Staggs is being dragged over the coals for something most of us are guilty of at one point or another in our lives, and his work is being threatened by his bosses for it.
I get it, there is a certain social expectation that comes with being a footballer but this is getting silly.
You got blokes like Corey dickhead Norman out there picking fights and getting into all sorts of trouble and he gets a fine and a slap on the wrist.
But god forbid you hit on a girl while drunk and get rejected, well shit, you are not allowed to play football for that sin.

I feel the same way about the Haas situation.
He copped a suspension for swearing at the cops, yet you have other blokes out there actively assaulting people and getting a slap on the wrist for it.
The NRL is a joke.

 

[Midean]

looks like we have found something else far more serious than taking drugs before playing in a GF.

Badel reporting that Staggs is facing a 20k fine and a multi game suspension.

he says that the Broncos board have had enough of his off field issues and Stagg will be required to front the board to be read the riot act and placed on similar conditions to what the put TPJ on last year (also says that the board have been impressed with how TPJ responded and his attitude).

says that Parramatta will "almost certainly" abort a big money poaching bid for Staggs

**** me dead, this i what im talking about.
Go ahead boys, go and rail some lines and get high as a kite before you play, no big deal.
But dont you dare partake in legal booze and hit on a girl, that shit will get you in real trouble.
The NRL is a joke.

 

[theshed]

Except no one is making the news for being drunk unless they are high profile.
So no, millions of people are not losing their jobs because they hit the piss outside of work hours, this is just not true at all.
Companies may have standards, but most of the time, those standards end the minute you clock off, and so long as you are not in your work uniform, or expressly representing your job when you are on the piss, there is very little an employer can do to you for hitting the piss.
The only reason Staggs made the news is because he is high profile, otherwise this is a complete non-issue with no repercussions as he obviously didn't do enough to warrant the law getting involved.

Again it comes back to lose morals and being a dickhead, nothing more.
I am not privy to all the information so anything i say it assumption.

However i have been kicked out of venues in my youth for being too drunk, and it had nothing to do with hitting on chicks or causing trouble, i was just a drunk mess and told to leave.
I have also been rejected by women before, i hit on them, flirted with them, and got shut down, no big deal, move on.

Staggs is being dragged over the coals for something most of us are guilty of at one point or another in our lives, and his work is being threatened by his bosses for it.
I get it, there is a certain social expectation that comes with being a footballer but this is getting silly.
You got blokes like Corey dickhead Norman out there picking fights and getting into all sorts of trouble and he gets a fine and a slap on the wrist.
But god forbid you hit on a girl while drunk and get rejected, well shit, you are not allowed to play football for that sin.

I feel the same way about the Haas situation.
He copped a suspension for swearing at the cops, yet you have other blokes out there actively assaulting people and getting a slap on the wrist for it.
The NRL is a joke.

Absolutely no arguments from me regarding the inconsistency of the NRL, but that’s a different issue.

You say you don’t know the facts yet you keep saying he was kicked out for nothing more than hitting on a girl and being rejected. You’re the one making all the assumptions and downplaying it as much as you can. Neither of us know what occurred, the NRL have seen the footage.

You’re exactly right about why Stagg made the news, sorry mate, that high profile is part of the gig. If any of us made the news as easily our work places would quickly tell you to stop being a dickhead in public too. Retire and people won’t give a shit who he calls what or how much of a public nuisance he is.

 

[Midean]

Absolutely no arguments from me regarding the inconsistency of the NRL, but that’s a different issue.

You say you don’t know the facts yet you keep saying he was kicked out for nothing more than hitting on a girl and being rejected. You’re the one making all the assumptions and downplaying it as much as you can. Neither of us know what occurred, the NRL have seen the footage.

You’re exactly right about why Stagg made the news, sorry mate, that high profile is part of the gig. If any of us made the news as easily our work places would quickly tell you to stop being a dickhead in public too. Retire and people won’t give a shit who he calls what or how much of a public nuisance he is.

Yea fair enough, i just assumed that if it was anything more serious, the law is involved, otherwise its just the protocols for establishments that serve booze to remove drunks when they start causing shit.

 

[tommy]

The most concerning thing for me about the homophobic slur offence is it was to a fan that wanted a photo with him. Not many brains in this one I’m afraid.

 

[pagey]

The only issue I have here is with Staggs' professionalism, he should not be on the booze while rehabbing a serious injury.
As for putting your arm around someone, have we really got that soft that this is a problem worthy of complaining to the club?
I grew up in a time where if someone did or said something that offended you, you simply told them instead of suing them.
I'm not a fan of this new world.

Well said mate