OPINION Tallis is a flog

Battler

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This club has been a major failure at succession planning for the last 13 years or so, basically coinciding with the tenure of one Bruno Cullen.

A brief look at the failings over that time:
1. They had no succession plan in place to replace Bennett when he left originally. They allowed their succession plan to walk out the door and go to Melbourne. They then stuffed up trying to re-sign Bellamy (either twice or three times) which led us to the wonderful predicament of having no option but to appoint Henjak. This then rolled into the appointment of Hook.
2. They allowed Luke Priddis and then Michael Ennis to leave without having a viable and competent hooking alternative. You all know what this has resulted in.
3. Nothing apparently was planned for the inevitable retirement of our last superstar player, one D. Lockyer. No viable alternative had been groomed and any attempt to go to the market to buy a ready made replacement failed. We really needed to buy one of Thurston, Cronk or Smith to replace him.
4. There has been a failure to prepare for the inevitable retirement of our last cohort of experienced leaders, Hodges, Parker and Thaiday which has led to current leadership vacuum.
5. The final example is the cluster **** that resulted in trying to manage the ending of Bennett's involvement with the club.

Hopefully, this area will eventually improve.
The club tried to sign smith and JT (not 100% sure about JT), but they were at clubs who could match our offers and they didn’t want to leave. Smith was coming to Brisbane until his ‘wife’ convinced him to stay.

People in the media talk about how much cash we have, but we’re still bound by the cap. If it didn’t exist then the criticism would be warranted.
 

Foordy

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they allowed their succession plan to walk out the door and go to Melbourne.
Bellamy wasn't going to stay an assistant with us for 6 years until we needed a successor to Bennett, especially as we weren't expecting to need one in 2008
 

lynx000

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Bellamy wasn't going to stay an assistant with us for 6 years until we needed a successor to Bennett, especially as we weren't expecting to need one in 2008
Where did I say in my post that I expected him to, can you show me? My criticism was the failure to get him back which was totally on Cullen.

How were we not expecting to need one in 2008 when the club knew that Bennett was going to sign with the Sydney City in 2006 before that fell through and the club would have known that relations with Bennett (Cullen) were strained. You make all the excuses you want, we have failed dismally at succession planning.
 

lynx000

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The club tried to sign smith and JT (not 100% sure about JT), but they were at clubs who could match our offers and they didn’t want to leave. Smith was coming to Brisbane until his ‘wife’ convinced him to stay.

People in the media talk about how much cash we have, but we’re still bound by the cap. If it didn’t exist then the criticism would be warranted.
If you have not developed the necessary resources in house, you then do whatever you do to secure what you need in the market. If you do this, you place yourself in the position that the Roosters are currently in. If you don't, look no further than our current position.
 
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pagey

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In fairness, he does have a point. Who is being held accountable in the front office as they have contributed to the current football situation. Our recruitment team do have to take a large amount of responsibility for the current roster issues.

Whether this is Paul White's area or whether he is more the commercial side of the club, I don't know.
But his point is also invalid saying white has been through 4 or 5 coaches.
 
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Nashy

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Foordy Foordy and Battler Battler, can you both honestly say that you believe that in terms of recruiting, retention and development that the club has been professionally and competently managed in the last 12 years?
Are there actually fans who can read that still think the club has been run well for a decade? Or that our recruiters and scouts are actually good?

Can't be, surely.
 

Broncapz

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Our recuitment and retention for last decade has been absolute garbage. Honestly I think Lockyer should get a lions share of the blame for some of these retirement contracts we've been handing out.
 

lynx000

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Are there actually fans who can read that still think the club has been run well for a decade? Or that our recruiters and scouts are actually good?

Can't be, surely.
I think you know my thoughts. Since 2010 who could we call a marquee signing that this club has made? I can only really identify Milford, and that has not really worked out as well as what they had hoped.
 

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As far as the coaches go we don't know they are crap until they get the chance. The Roosters took a punt on Robbo and it turned out . We have moved on the duds reasonably quickly and now we have planned ahead and moved WB on for the coach of the year ( at the time ) it's still crap ( or looking like it ). The player retention / recruitment is another story.
I do think though, if we wanted Bellamy, we should have gone a lot harder. Management should have known Melb would match us if possible. At the worst we could have made them pay huge overs to keep him.

I'm not a fan of our current recruitment strategy either. We are committed to our pack medium term now with nothing much going on where we need it.
I'd say we will be watching some dull footy over the next few years unless something changes over the next few months.
I'm still hopeful we can convince DB to retire and Bird can develop into a Jack Wighton style 6.
 
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lynx000

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As far as the coaches go we don't know they are crap until they get the chance. The Roosters took a punt on Robbo and it turned out . We have moved on the duds reasonably quickly and now we have planned ahead and moved WB on for the coach of the year ( at the time ) it's still crap ( or looking like it ). The player retention / recruitment is another story.
I do think though, if we wanted Bellamy, we should have gone a lot harder. Management should have known Melb would match us if possible. At the worst we could have made them pay huge overs to keep him.

I'm not a fan of our current recruitment strategy either. We are committed to our pack medium term now with nothing much going on where we need it.
I'd say we will be watching some dull footy over the next few years unless something changes over the next few months.
I'm still hopeful we can convince DB to retire and Bird can develop into a Jack Wighton style 6.
I agree with a lot of this, but I am still reasonably optimistic about the future. The forwards have come through and look outstanding for the future, the backs are lagging a little behind, but we look to have some quality coming through, but we seem to be a couple of years behind. Where we are really lacking is the spine and that is where the focus on recruiting should be.

In my view to be a genuine threat to win the premiership, we need one or two marquee players or players just below that standard with one of those being a game manager. Some of our younger players either have to develop to that level, or we need to buy. A guy who would make a huge difference to us is Hodgson.
 
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So Tallis’ primary (only) role as a Titans’ ambassador is to continually heap shit in the Broncos’ direction? Dragging us down does not make the Titans any more competitive, it just means that if those involved in pushing the Titans’ case aren’t even talking about them, they risk sliding in to further obscurity. At least “The Titans will win the 2019 premiership” had people talking about them, even if it was for the wrong reasons.
 

Battler

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Foordy Foordy and Battler Battler, can you both honestly say that you believe that in terms of recruiting, retention and development that the club has been professionally and competently managed in the last 12 years?
If we signed Smith we probably have 2-3 more prems in the bank. Outside of **** ups like signing Bird over Moses I don't think there's much else they could do. Going all in on the Macca/ Hunt contingent of juniors doomed our club to a decade of mediocrity, but they were very promising at the time in all fairness.

I've been critical of signing Boyd, Gillett, Macca to long term deals at their ages. The club really lost the plot after '15, before that you can sort of excuse them.
 

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If we signed Smith we probably have 2-3 more prems in the bank. Outside of **** ups like signing Bird over Moses I don't think there's much else they could do. Going all in on the Macca/ Hunt contingent of juniors doomed our club to a decade of mediocrity, but they were very promising at the time in all fairness.
Both the Broncos and Raiders had very ordinary returns in the main from that generation considering those two teams were so strong and played such a belter NYC Grand Final against one another.

Realistically only Dugan (at other clubs mind you), Yow Yeh, McGuire and Hunt really made it to the upper echelons within the game, but none of them were ever really what you'd call 'elite'.

(Yow Yeh was obviously easily the most unlucky of the lot)
 
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Broncapz

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The thing Tallis doesn't understand about being an ambassador. Ambassadors are supposed to generate good will, and good relations.

Any idiot can be antagonistic, but it actually takes tact and restraint to be a good ambassador.

All Tallis is doing is damaging the Titans brand for Brisbane fans wanting to support another QLD team.

What Tallis is saying is good for media, but TERRIBLE for his role as an ambassador.
 

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