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Rocky has a point - the pokies tax is a big factor in NSW and why the clubs are failing, especially when combined with the smoking ban in clubs. Also, it does need to be considered that there are so many clubs in NSW that they are competing with each other, that's why crowd numbers are down. NSW will always play an important role and be the symbolic home of NRL, however, the actual and spiritual home is QLD
QLD has the most interest, the best crowds and the best players
I feel for dedicated NSW NRL fans (that rocky seems to be) as the NSW gov't have done so much to cripple the game in that State. But as has been mentioned numerous times, too many clubs in NSW. However, NSWRL is not going anywhere - good thing too as we need them for SOO
QLD has the most interest, the best crowds and the best players
I feel for dedicated NSW NRL fans (that rocky seems to be) as the NSW gov't have done so much to cripple the game in that State. But as has been mentioned numerous times, too many clubs in NSW. However, NSWRL is not going anywhere - good thing too as we need them for SOO
Even if the crown numbers are not down, a suburban field that maxes out at 15,000 will not be able to sustain a club indefinitely - the commentators have a hard-on for suburban grounds, but they are just not feasible - even the titans and cheating melboure can get 30,000 max to their home stadiums
The pokie tax and smoking ban would not have been such a drama for the Syd clubs if they were able to rely on fans for a large portion of their funds
The pokie tax and smoking ban would not have been such a drama for the Syd clubs if they were able to rely on fans for a large portion of their funds
Your crowd numbers are interesting mate but I think it paints an uglier picture than you suggest. Sure the Dragons and the Dogs are flying and as a league fan I think that is great but I would like to add another couple of teams to the group you say are struggling;
Penrith - sitting in the top 4, best position for years but only the 5th best crowd figures in 10 years
Manly - Defending premiers, wouldn't you think they would be getting bumper crowds this year?
As I have seen you say to plenty of people Rock, it is dangerous to base an argument on statistics - I am sure the Roosters numbers were greatly bolstered by the crowd they got to the Dragons game, a game where Dragons fans outnumbered Roosters fans.
Qld is obviously lucky to not have the tax issues associated with poker machines but we have smoking bans in clubs and at stadiums as well.
Penrith - sitting in the top 4, best position for years but only the 5th best crowd figures in 10 years
Manly - Defending premiers, wouldn't you think they would be getting bumper crowds this year?
As I have seen you say to plenty of people Rock, it is dangerous to base an argument on statistics - I am sure the Roosters numbers were greatly bolstered by the crowd they got to the Dragons game, a game where Dragons fans outnumbered Roosters fans.
Qld is obviously lucky to not have the tax issues associated with poker machines but we have smoking bans in clubs and at stadiums as well.
Dave said:
I don't know about other teams but I know Bruno has said on many of occasions that the pokies tax wouldn't impact the broncos because they may the majority of their money from ticket sales
I think it would be reasonable to assume the Tits are in the same boat
- know it doesn't add much to the convo - just saying
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I don't think those crowd figures you are showing take into account the massive increase in population in the area.
To be fair, I don't think the NSW players need to cop any blame/criticism for turning up late - it was a management f***-up. The players just get on the bus when they are told to. Whether or not Bellamy needs to cop the blame is debatable but I choose to believe he does.
The Rock said:
Clubs are broke? Nothing to do with the popularity of the game itself. People still love the game, people still talk about it, people still have passion for it. Irrelevant point.
The Media? ROFL. As they say, bad publicity is good publicity. When has the media ever stopped people supoorting the game? (My figures below will prove this point). So again, crap point.
Crowds are crap? LOLZ. Please, don't make me get out cold hard facts to prove your theory wrong. Actually, stuff it - I will.
St George - This years Average 16,166 -- BEST crowd average in their last 10 years.
Bulldogs - This years Average 18,926 -- 2nd best crowd average in their last 10 years.
Roosters - This years Average 16,688 - 2nd best crowd average in their last 10 years.
Souths - This years Average 15,383 --- 2nd best crowd average in their last 10 years.
Tigers - This years Average 17,001 - 3rd best crowd average in their last 10 years.
Manly - This years Average 13,917. -- 4th best crowd average in their last 10 years.
Penrith - This years Average 12,838 -- 5th best crowd average in their last 10 years.
Canberra - This years Average 10,554. -- 8th best crowd average in their last 10 years.
Parramatta - This years Average 13,428 - 8th best crowd average in their last 10 years.
Cronulla - This years Average 10,659. -- Worst crowd average in their last 10 years.
So only 3 teams, 30% out of ALL teams in NSW have issues with crowds, according to the figures this year. 30 PERCENT Dave. And if you take a look at where all those 3 clubs are sitting on the ladder, it's not that bad. Also considering the economic climate, coupled with the ridiculous, unfair TV details, those crowd averages this year are outstanding and extremely encouraging.
So if you think that those crowds are "crap" then you've got big, huge, fat rocks in your head champ.[/quote:15dq7jem]
Someone want to point out to this clown the average crowds for Broncos, Newcastle, Titans and Cowboys? Compared to the pathetic performance of most Sydney clubs it's amazing.
Then compare it to the AFL teams in Melbourne and what they draw - in a city with a smaller population than Sydney I might add. Clubs in Sydney should be averaging 20000 a game. No ifs, buts or maybes. That Manly can draw 13000 on average and that's their 4th best in 10 years is a disgrace.
What else does it tell you that Sydney clubs all seem to want to take home games away from Sydney? Brisbane, Gold Coast, Adelaide, Gosford....they're doing anything they can to take games away. Why? Because they're bleeding money in Sydney and with piss poor gate takings what's the point?
If that's not argument enough that there's about 4 too many teams in Sydney, then nothing will ever convince you.
Cronulla must go. Bang, easy decision. Huge debt, and their grassroots area can easily be managed by St George-Illawarra and/or South Sydney. Done.
Parramatta-Penrith - only one team needed in that region. Parramatta's in massive debt, and there's other clubs nearby...good bye.
Sydney Roosters-South Sydney - again, currently competing in the same area. Souths have more grassroots establishment, they'll never merge. It comes down to finances. If Souths can learn to live without handouts from Rusty then Roosters can go.
Wests Tigers - need a team in south-west Sydney so they stay.
Manly - dilemma. We really do need a team north of the harbour, but nobody in the Manly area gives a **** about rugby league. Boot 'em too.
Bulldogs, St George-Illawarra, safe as far as I'm concerned.
So, ditch Manly, Roosters or Souths, Parramatta and Cronulla.
Add Central Coast to play out of Gosford, and there you have a team north of the harbour, albeit a bit further north than Manly.
Find one other team somewhere, assess the various regions - another NQ/CQ team, Darwin, whatever, make them number 14 and there you have your comp.
Rock's comment that he doesn't care about the game in Melbourne = :roll:
It's taken 10 years, but Melbourne featured in the Jersey Flegg Grand Final this year, and it was a team of local juniors. Grassroots is growing there.
We forget Melbourne, we might as well also dump the Warriors and stick it to being a Qld-NSW competition, forget the salary cap because no player in their right mind is going to want to play such a narrow-scoped competition, not with genuine national competitions in Union (S14), AFL and Soccer (A-league). Rugby League will become a niche sport. It won't cease to exist, but it'll be the 4th ranked sport in the country.
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The Rock said:
Go back to the 2006 Tri-Nations and you'll see that the game at the Telstra Dome drew a bigger attendance than the game in Sydney. Also got a sell-out for the Origin game they had down there and look like drawing close to that on Wednesday night as well. Sydney can't even sell out their Origin game at ANZ Stadium this year, (or last year, but this year is even more pathetic considering they've only one game). And don't give me this crap about it being because they Blues have sucked for years, Queensland was on a massive losing streak from 2003-05 and still sold out their 2006 game within a couple of hours.
Regarding the Storm, their home ground is deadset something from the cretaceous period, who would want to go there every week? Wait til their purpose built stadium is finished then present your argument. I have no doubt it will go a long way towards the growth of the game in Melbourne.
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What is the population of Queensland?
What is the population of New South Wales?
Interesting questions IMO.
What is the population of New South Wales?
Interesting questions IMO.
Jeba
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Well if there realy is as many League fans in QLD than there is in NSW, then that proves our point about the game down there dying at the moment doesn't it? If we have nowhere near as much population, yet can conjure up just as many fans, what does that say about the game down there?? Not much doing down in NSW to bring in new fans allowing the game to grow??
