The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

[Anonymous person]

Re: youth policy

Same could be said for you.

well no, not at all.

bennett publicly stated that he thought mick ryan was the future hooker of the club and they chose to keep him over priddis. was it cause priddis asked for too much money? who knows, they never said. you seem to have an insider so maybe you do know, but without anything to back it up all we have is what was said publicly.

 

[Dexter]

Bellamy Went to the Storm in 03 as did Slater who then won DM rookie of the year.
Smith went there in 02, in 03 he played for Qld
Cronk in 04.
Bellamy had a couple of nuffies in Scott Hill and Matt Orford at the time in the halves. He has had good squads his entire career and the big three for nearly all of it which was entirely my point but you be as pedantic as you like to pump your tyres.

 

[1910]

Bellamy Went to the Storm in 03 as did Slater who then won DM rookie of the year.
Smith went there in 02, in 03 he played for Qld
Cronk in 04.
Bellamy had a couple of nuffies in Scott Hill and Matt Orford at the time in the halves. He has had good squads his entire career and the big three for nearly all of it which was entirely my point but you be as pedantic as you like to pump your tyres.

Can't see how it is pedantic to point out they came to the club as rookies that no one else wanted and hadn't produced anything of note. They didn't come to him as the 2013 version of Slater, Cronk and Smith. They came to him as out of position Norths' players no one wanted.

Smith is a great point, two games in '02 at half before Bellamy after Bellamy in '03 hooker and playing Origin.

'Good squad' would that be the same good squad that had missed the finals two years in a row? Been through two coaches in two years and a CEO? Yeah you're right they were going like a dream before Bellamy got there.

 

[Anonymous person]

He has had good squads his entire career and the big three for nearly all of it which was entirely my point but you be as pedantic as you like to pump your tyres.

unlike bennett, right? its not like bennett ever had langer, lockyer, wallis, walters x 2, webcke, lazarus, tallis, civoniceva, renouf, carne, sailor, tuqiri, hancock, etc. he had teams of nuffies for his entire career. come to think of it, can you name say even 3 years of his entire coaching career where he DIDNT have one of the best players in the game leading his team around the park?

 

[1910]

unlike bennett, right? its not like bennett ever had langer, lockyer, wallis, walters x 2, webcke, lazarus, tallis, civoniceva, renouf, carne, sailor, tuqiri, han****, etc. he had teams of nuffies for his entire career. come to think of it, can you name say even 3 years of his entire coaching career where he DIDNT have one of the best players in the game leading his team around the park?

Raiders in '87
Souths in '86
Souths in '85
Souths in '84

You could even argue the Dragons time- I wouldn't rate any of them the best player in the game at anytime.

I use the same argument for Bennett I used for Bellamy most of those guys were nothing pre-Bennett.

 

[Dexter]

Raiders in '87
Souths in '86
Souths in '85
Souths in '84

You could even argue the Dragons time- I wouldn't rate any of them the best player in the game at anytime.

I use the same argument for Bennett I used for Bellamy most of those guys were nothing pre-Bennett.

Well thank **** for that, my entire point to Ap was he uses 1 argument to knock WB or credit CB but won't apply the same reasoning to credit WB or knock CB. You came in on an argument that has dragged on for years here and picked out a line from my post.

Below is his squad in 03, it's a fair 17 top players there. I have never said CB didn't improve players or get the most from them but like any good coach he has to have the talent in the first place.
When it comes to CB as far as some are concerned it's all genius coaching but when it comes to WB it's all the players talent.

BAI, Marcus
BELL, Steve
COOPER, Dustin
FRIEND, Nathan
GEYER, Matt
HILL, Scott
HOFFMAN, Ryan
HOWE, Rodney
JOHNSON, Dallas
KAUFUSI, Antonio
KEARNEY, Stephen
KEARNS, Robbie
KIDWELL, David
KING, Matt
LANGI, Junior
McFADDEN, Andrew
MASON, Keith
MOALA, Fifita
MOULE, Aaron
ORFORD, Matt
REYNOLDSON, Kirk
ROBINSON, Peter
ROSS, Robbie
SARGENT, Mitchell
SLATER, Billy
SMITH, Cameron
SOLOGINKIN, Nathan
TADULALA, Semi
TANIELU, Robert
TURNER, Glen
TURNER, Marty
WEBSTER, Jake
WILLIAMS, Danny

 

[Huge]

Baiting

 

[1910]

Well thank **** for that, my entire point to Ap was he uses 1 argument to knock WB or credit CB but won't apply the same reasoning to credit WB or knock CB. You came in on an argument that has dragged on for years here and picked out a line from my post.

Below is his squad in 03, it's a fair 17 top players there. I have never said CB didn't improve players or get the most from them but like any good coach he has to have the talent in the first place.
When it comes to CB as far as some are concerned it's all genius coaching but when it comes to WB it's all the players talent.

BAI, Marcus
BELL, Steve
COOPER, Dustin
FRIEND, Nathan
GEYER, Matt
HILL, Scott
HOFFMAN, Ryan
HOWE, Rodney
JOHNSON, Dallas
KAUFUSI, Antonio
KEARNEY, Stephen
KEARNS, Robbie
KIDWELL, David
KING, Matt
LANGI, Junior
McFADDEN, Andrew
MASON, Keith
MOALA, Fifita
MOULE, Aaron
ORFORD, Matt
REYNOLDSON, Kirk
ROBINSON, Peter
ROSS, Robbie
SARGENT, Mitchell
SLATER, Billy
SMITH, Cameron
SOLOGINKIN, Nathan
TADULALA, Semi
TANIELU, Robert
TURNER, Glen
TURNER, Marty
WEBSTER, Jake
WILLIAMS, Danny

That 'talent' had been doing sweet nothing for two years and most of them didn't last too much longer at the Storm.

 

[Anonymous person]

yeh but that doesnt mean anything. they were already superstars, all 25 of their top squad. apparently.

have a look at their teams over the years. they have had teams full of absolute nobodies and oldies who no other teams wanted, and they have made them look like world beaters. thats all because of the coaching.

 

[Coxy]

Re: youth policy

Very good hooker for the Broncos, had terrible luck with knee injuries, did it twice, once against Newcastle at ANZ was a terrible dislocation. He got back to playing football in the Qld Cup for Ipswich and was outstanding still but the NRL train had gone.

He was a quarter of the price of Priddis and Broncos couldn't match the price given by Penrith so they let him go but then Ryan got injured.

Don't talk sense. It's not welcome in this thread :P

 

[Anonymous person]

they shouldve paid what priddis wanted, that wouldve been the sensible thing to do. he was the best hooker in the game at the time, and showing no signs of slowing down. mick ryan mightve been fantastic, but priddis was better. and as we are all seeing now, top shelf hookers are absolutely golden, and hard to come by. when youve got one you shouldnt let them go that easily.

 

[ningnangnong]

they shouldve paid what priddis wanted, that wouldve been the sensible thing to do. he was the best hooker in the game at the time, and showing no signs of slowing down.

I agree AP, but easier said than done, no?

What if we paid Priddis what he wanted, then went on to lose another important player because of this?

Managing the salary cap is a fine art!

 

[Anonymous person]

I agree AP, but easier said than done, no?

What if we paid Priddis what he wanted, then went on to lose another important player because of this?

Managing the salary cap is a fine art!

no doubt, but i dont think he wouldve been asking for some ridiculous price. if you have to let some nuffies go, of which the broncos had a few at the time, to keep one of your best players then you should do it IMO. priddis was one of, if not the biggest losses the club has ever had IMO. up until folau left that wasnt even debatable.

 

[Coxy]

iirc, we upgraded Meyers and Carlaw and let Priddis go. in hindsight, mistake. but anyone who watched those guys go around in 2001 could be forgiven for thinking they were 2 of the best young forwards in the game.

Sadly both failed to live up to the hype, while Priddis excelled.

Very easy in hindsight to judge.

 

[Dexter]

That 'talent' had been doing sweet nothing for two years and most of them didn't last too much longer at the Storm.

Ok then, Bellamy turns shite players into superstars and wins GFs with talentless players. He's never had a good squad, it's just his game plans are so good FFS

 

[Anonymous person]

iirc, we upgraded Meyers and Carlaw and let Priddis go. in hindsight, mistake. but anyone who watched those guys go around in 2001 could be forgiven for thinking they were 2 of the best young forwards in the game.

Sadly both failed to live up to the hype, while Priddis excelled.

Very easy in hindsight to judge.

i was a huge fan of carlaw and meyers at the time, but given the choice of priddis or one/possibly both of them id take priddis any day of the year. hooker is such an important part of the team. a great hooker can get even a bad forward pack rolling over the top of bigger and stronger teams. second rowers are a dime a dozen.

 

[Coxy]

i was a huge fan of carlaw and meyers at the time, but given the choice of priddis or one/possibly both of them id take priddis any day of the year. hooker is such an important part of the team. a great hooker can get even a bad forward pack rolling over the top of bigger and stronger teams. second rowers are a dime a dozen.

Point is that the Broncos felt Mick Ryan had the potential to become a high quality hooker. Also in retrospect, their hopes were unfounded, not helped by the guy's injuries. I don't recall any great back rowers coming up behind Carlaw and Meyers.

I get it, you didn't agree with them. That's all well and good. But the decision was made. And on evidence it was reasonable at the time. It's amazing you seem to think that because you were right that the Broncos should be ashamed that they got it wrong. Teams get it wrong. That's part of professional football.

Fact was, they couldn't keep Priddis, Carlaw and Meyers, and they punted on Carlaw and Meyers.

 

[Big Pete]

Not to mention we were fending off overtures from Rugby Union to sign a bloke named Darren Lockyer.

It wasn't cheap.