The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

[Anonymous person]

that 2009 squad......ugh lol.

 

[1910]

when has bennett done it 3 or 4 times? when didnt bennett have at least 1 of Langer/Lockyer/Tallis in his team, combined with at least 4-5 other top line players like hodges/webcke/civoniceva/priddis/etc in the team at all times?

he always had a constant stream of excellent players to go with his "best in the league" player/s. when he didnt, post 2000-ish, is when his number of premierships went from 5 in 13 years to 1 in the next 10. he never really rebuilt the broncos. they had alfie for over a decade, walters remained after he left, lockyer was already well on his way to being a superstar, and by the time walters left lockyer was already one of the best in the game. when bennett left, he left us with a pretty average roster of which we are still feeling the effects.

he never had his 3 best players retire at once, not even once, let alone 3 or 4 times like you suggest.

The '92 and '93 team bar Gillmiester, Kevvie, Currie and Lazo were all at the club from '88, with O'Neill, Carne, Renouf, Walters, Allen, Cann, Plath and Gee all coming from lower grades in that time. How is that not building a side? All bar four where a 5 year project.

From the '93 Premiership team to the '97 and '98 team they lost O'Neill, Johns, Carne, Walters, Hohn, Gillmeister, Cann and Matterson. 8 members.

From '98 to '00 they lost Renouf, Smith, Langer, Lee, Gee, Plath. 6 members.

From '00 to '06 they lost Lote, Devere, Sailor, Ikin, Walters, Priddis, Carlaw, Tallis, Campion, Howard and Hancock. 11 players.


You ignored my answer to this last time you asked, he's coached without those guys plenty of times and had success.

 

[1910]

bellamy won 3 premierships actually, 2 of which were then stripped. you cant say he only won 1 premiership in 10 years, its clearly not true. they won 3 - 2 of which were then stripped.

for your 4 "rebuilding" periods - care to elaborate on them? what "rebuilding" did he do in 2006? or 2000? in 2000 when he had lockyer, tallis, walters, civoniceva, webcke, sailor and co who had all been there for years, that was *rebuilding*?!

"rebuilding" is taking a team with nothing and turning them into a premiership force. rebuilding is what parramatta are trying to do. what the panthers are doing. having a team with a constant 7+ veteran current rep players and bringing in new players to play around them isnt "rebuilding".

and lol at bennett "finding" tallis. tallis was a very good player and had played with st george for 4 years before he came to the broncos.

and dont even try and compare the melbourne team of late to the broncos of old. the 1998/2000 broncos teams were so far ahead of everyone else its not funny. even with the salary cap cheating the storm were still really only the big 3 and then some minor supporting cast. the broncos teams of the late 90s were almost literally the entire QLD team. the squad the broncos got to assemble for super league and the next few years was just ridiculous. they shouldve won MORE premierships than they did.

If Tallis was going so well, how had he managed to only be a bench player at Dragons and play one Origin of the bench for Qld and then never picked again.

 

[CaptainHook]

I think it should be banned from the forum because it's been done ad-nauseum.

Gotta disagree there, subsbligh. Guys like me haven't been here all that long. This is a fascinating thread - I am loving reading some of the responses here and learning new things and hearing others' point of view. For example, Anonymous person mentioned Bellamy's age a few pages back. That was a great point that I hadn't considered. Good stuff.

 

[Dexter]

Again that is not relevant, how many they produced has nothing to do with your point. You made an error about Alf's career.

As did you but he is not being a dick about it.

 

[OXY-351]

bellamy won 3 premierships actually, 2 of which were then stripped. you cant say he only won 1 premiership in 10 years, its clearly not true. they won 3 - 2 of which were then stripped.

The records say he's won one. Clearly it is true.

Anyway, I couldn't be bothered arguing any longer. Maybe we can revisit this argument in 15 years when Bellamy has coached 3 generations of players at 3 different clubs, taking each of those clubs to the penultimate weekend in the finals and winning a combined total of 7 premierships, with no need for any * besides those gf wins.

 

[1910]

As did you but he is not being a dick about it.

Not sure where I did that- has Alf's career been rewritten to suit the "was a nobody before the Broncos" theory?

 

[CaptainHook]

Not sure where I did that- has Alf's career been rewritten to suit the "was a nobody before the Broncos" theory?

I accept your point that Alfie was playing first grade for the Ipswich Jets in the Brisbane competition. I think you are wrong when suggesting that feat made him a 'superstar' (although it's nothing to be laughed at) with Tommy as coach.

Alfie went on to captain his club to a premiership, his state to an Origin series and his country to a test series - all when being coached under Wayne Bennett.

That's superstardom.

 

[Dexter]

Not sure where I did that- has Alf's career been rewritten to suit the "was a nobody before the Broncos" theory?

"Alf was playing first grade and Origin before he was coached by Bennett." Incorrect as CH pointed out.

Also Alf played for Aus before Tommy got near him, Tommy didn't make him from nothing, he was always good.

I remember when Kevin Langer was making rep teams, everyone used to say to look out for his younger brother.

 

[1910]

"Alf was playing first grade and Origin before he was coached by Bennett." Incorrect as CH pointed out.

Also Alf played for Aus before Tommy got near him, Tommy didn't make him from nothing, he was always good.

I remember when Kevin Langer was making rep teams, everyone used to say to look out for his younger brother.

The conversation was in regards to his club career and making him at the Broncos. I pointed out he had already played Origin and First grade by the time Bennett got him at the Broncos. That's 100% true.

Tommy was his only first grade coach In '86 and '87 before he went to the Broncos, He was still playing for Norths in '85 and even played reserve grade towards the end of the season. Tommy was the only one pushing for him to replace Murray. Bennett and Lewis both said he wasn't the best option and didn't want him. Always good is rubbish, not a sole wanted him. Bennett didn't pick him in his QRL youth squad in 1986.

Alf was only 19 his first year at the Jets with Tommy and started the year in reserve grade. He never played for Australia at all at any level his only rep selection was Qld Under 15. He missed Under 19's with a broken leg and was out nearly the whole year.

 

[Dexter]

But he didn't play Origin before Bennett got to him which is what you said.

He was always good, I played with and against his brother in juniors and seniors and the wraps in league circles were always there that he would rep for Aus.

Spin you comment about ppl missing points all you want, that is exactly what you do. Pick through posts, missing the point of conversations and post on slight incorrect comments to beat your chest.

 

[Anonymous person]

But he didn't play Origin before Bennett got to him which is what you said.

he was selected to play origin before bennett ever coached him, so hes right.

 

[Dexter]

he was selected to play origin before bennett ever coached him, so hes right.

Alf was playing first grade and Origin before he was coached by Bennett.

Ok then, if that's how you read the comment I'll go with that LOL

 

[Anonymous person]

well think about it - he was going to play origin that year regardless of bennett being coach or not. bennett wasnt his coach before he became an origin player.

and 1910 was very clearly talking about club football. bennett being his coach in an origin game a few years into his career has no effect on how he was going before then - and he had been going pretty well to be picked for origin when even bennett was worried about him because of his size after he was selected for that origin. so its pretty clear that no, bennett didnt play a huge part in him becoming a star player since he was already selected for origin and had huge wraps on him before he had even been coached by bennett for 1 minute. by the time he was under bennett at club level he was already an origin star.

the original claim was that bennett took him from nothing to a superstar. if "selected to play state of origin and being talked up as a superstar" is "nothing" in your opinion then i dont think theres really any point with following on with this discussion with you.

 

[Nashy]

Oh for ***** sake. The both of you, give it up. This argument is done. You have both had your say, you have both made your respective points. Move on!

 

[Dexter]

Already done Nashy, like I said in my last post, I'm happy to go with that.

 

[I bleed Maroon]

Re: Sack Griffin/New Coach Discussion

I'm sorry guys, I just cannot agree with that assessment. Bennett is still the best coach in the code who is being let down by some very ordinary players and a few very good players who cannot play at their best because of the shortcomings of the rest.

 

[Big Pete]

Re: Sack Griffin/New Coach Discussion

Bennett is still the best coach in the code

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, here it goes!

Edit: Decided to move this here since it had the capacity to shift the Sack Hook thread off topic.

If there is anything more inane than a 'sack the coach' post than it's a Wayne Bennett/Craig Bellamy discussion.

FWIW, Bennett isn't the best coach in the code - Hasler is.

Bennett is also apart of the problem at Newcastle although admittedly he's been dealt one pretty shitty hand so far this season.