The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

[Alec]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

I'm just going the other way to some here with their views that Bennett can do no wrong, will drop every player we don't want n the top team and change our style of play (even though it is the same as he has always coached anyway).

if people want to believe that, thats their choice. but surely I'm not the only poster on here thats not allowed an agenda.

Has anyone ever actually said Bennett is perfect? He's better than Griffin, that's why people think he's an upgrade.

 

[Foordy]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

Has anyone ever actually said Bennett is perfect? He's better than Griffin, that's why people think he's an upgrade.

maybe not, but it keeps getting argued that he'll do things opposite to what he has done for nearly his entire coaching career.

we could have found a coach that had the possibility of being around for the long term, that are better than Griffin (hell, there are plenty of assistant coaches out there that are better options than Griffin). we choose to go with a coach that is definitely not a long term option.

It also puts us back under Bennett's shadow again, and that really is not a good place for his replacement (whoever it is) to be, especially at the Broncos.

 

[Big Pete]

Re: Round 21 Discussion

I very clearly addressed it. When he has a team that is just clearly better than every other team - ie. His first 5 premierships - playing at the same level all year is fine. When he doesn't, ie. 2001 and onwards, playing at the same level all year results in falling away at the end of the year as other teams start getting to business. 2006 it all came together in the last 2.5 games, 2010 the dragons were just better all year. They didn't get better come finals time, they just carried on being better than every other team.

I hate Bennett, but that's not even why I don't want him back. I hate Hayne but id gladly have him at the broncos. I don't want Bennett back because hes not among the best coaches anymore, and I know what he'll do to our club. Even worse I know what he'll do to the club when he leaves again.

Retire?

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

The Broncos prolonged post Origin slumps under Bennett are pretty famous.
Trying to deny that fact with his premierships is as much bullshit as AP's attempt to use them to imply WB is a shit coach.

I am very much a Bennett sceptic, and I definitely hate the way this whole affair went, but I also have very little doubt he'll get more out of this roster than Hook.

I also think that a lot of people here under the delusion that Bennett is going to follow their sometimes idiotic ideas, are in for a shocker. They either had a memory relapse, or have no clue what the Broncos were like under WB.

At this point, there is heaps of speculation about who goes and who stays, players and/or staff, but I hope WB gives a shot to the existing people before looking outside, especially when it comes to players.

 

[Cult]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

Do you honestly believe the board are that stupid? Do you honestly believe they would not realize they made a mistake last time and not have a single person in line to take over when Bennett retires?

No way. We are so much smarter and more qualified than those idiots who are paid to do this for a living. Duhhh

 

[Cult]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

I also think that a lot of people here under the delusion that Bennett is going to follow their sometimes idiotic ideas, are in for a shocker. They either had a memory relapse, or have no clue what the Broncos were like under WB.

I have a question, and it's not directly aimed at you but you can answer if you know. I feel as though Foordy or AP should answer as they're the ones using this argument. When Bennett so "famously" made all these shitty selections for the Broncos, who were the younger players coming up in the squad who were forcing their way into the top 17?

 

[broncos4life]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

The Broncos prolonged post Origin slumps under Bennett are pretty famous.
Trying to deny that fact with his premierships is as much bullshit as AP's attempt to use them to imply WB is a shit coach.

I am very much a Bennett sceptic, and I definitely hate the way this whole affair went, but I also have very little doubt he'll get more out of this roster than Hook.

I also think that a lot of people here under the delusion that Bennett is going to follow their sometimes idiotic ideas, are in for a shocker. They either had a memory relapse, or have no clue what the Broncos were like under WB.

At this point, there is heaps of speculation about who goes and who stays, players and/or staff, but I hope WB gives a shot to the existing people before looking outside, especially when it comes to players.

I never denied we had slumps, but to imply they are solely because of Bennett and nothing to do with origin is absurd.

My point was he obviously gets them out of the slump seeing we have won 6 premierships.

 

[Kimlo]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

What Bennett did last time isn't exactly what he'll do this time, he's been with two different clubs and has won a premiership elsewhere, I'm pretty sure he'd have some new ideas.

 

[Foordy]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

I never denied we had slumps, but to imply they are solely because of Bennett and nothing to do with origin is absurd.

My point was he obviously gets them out of the slump seeing we have won 6 premierships.

the worst slumps we had were between 2001 - 2008 and for the most part he never was able to lift us out of those (aside from 2006, and Henjak was given alot of credit for that, at the time).

but there was a bigger divide between the top 8 teams and the bottom 8 teams, and we were able to get enough points to qualify for the finals (mainly before the origin period)

and people seem to think that we will change our style of play, or team selections or press conferences or whatever else and that is just fantasy. Bennett and Griffin are both very similar coaches, in style, in team selections, in demeanor. the difference being that Bennett has always had a Lockyer or Langer or Walters to lead the team and for the most part Griffin hasn't. The one season Griffin did have and we went one game from the GF and were a very good shot at winning the comp before an injury to Locky.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

With Bennett comes both positive and negative attributes. I am both worried and excited about what could happen next year. All I know is that I am sick of the dumb football and basic skill errors that kills us week in week out.

 

[Foordy]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

What Bennett did last time isn't exactly what he'll do this time, he's been with two different clubs and has won a premiership elsewhere, I'm pretty sure he'd have some new ideas.

but the thing is ... he hasn't changed his approach.

the Dragons premiership winning team, is similar to the Broncos of 2006. built on defence and grinding out wins, throw in some magic from Lockyer (or in the Dragons case Soward)

tried to take that style to the Knights and with the exception of about 6 weeks last year, has been an epic failure.

That style may work for our team next year, with Hunt and Milford and Copley and Hodges etc. on our books. but it won't be different to his other winning season.

and it doesn't mean that the coach that follows him, wont crack under the pressure of following Bennett at the Broncos. and it is far less pressure to follow Griffin, than Bennett

 

[Brett]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

I see the argument: "Bennett will play the same style of play as Griffin, I just know it." Well, no, you don't know anything. None of us know what he will, or won't do next season. You're assuming things based on your perception of previous experience.

Why don't we wait until the bloke gets here and makes decisions, then start ripping into him and each other then?

 

[Bucking Beads]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

If this happens that will do me.

Brisbane Broncos Puzzle For 2015 | Triple M NRL

 

[Foordy]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

I see the argument: "Bennett will play the same style of play as Griffin, I just know it." Well, no, you don't know anything. None of us know what he will, or won't do next season. You're assuming things based on your perception of previous experience.

Why don't we wait until the bloke gets here and makes decisions, then start ripping into him and each other then?

his past 30 years of coaching are a pretty good indication of how he coaches

 

[Big Pete]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

What else would we have left to talk about? The weather? :laugh:

It goes both ways. A lot of supporters have basically put forward this notion that everything will change under Bennett when really, the Broncos will retain the bulk of the same roster and Bennett coached sides play a very similar brand to Hook coached sides.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

I never denied we had slumps, but to imply they are solely because of Bennett and nothing to do with origin is absurd.

My point was he obviously gets them out of the slump seeing we have won 6 premierships.

As Foordy pointed out, only one of those premierships happened post 2000, and 2006 although it was awesome to watch, it was also a bit of a fluke, as we played like possessed from the second half of the Dogs semi.

Sending off Shane Webcke was a contributor as well, as were the 2008 and 2011 campaign when sending off Benny and Locky respectively.

Other than these, can you seriously consider that the Broncos played differently under WB or Hook?

In WB's defense, I would say that Hook has a better roster at his disposition this season than WB had, although we can't discount the Lockyer vs. Hoggman factor of course, but that one is really more Griffin's fault than anybody else.

No way. We are so much smarter and more qualified than those idiots who are paid to do this for a living. Duhhh

You do realise this is as valid for Bennett's hiring and Hook's sacking as it is for the latter's hiring and retention, right?

 

[Cult]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

You do realise this is as valid for Bennett's hiring and Hook's sacking as it is for the latter's hiring and retention, right?

Not really. Agreeing with what they have done in no way means we think we're smarter than them.

 

[Unbreakable]

Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up

I'd just like to point out to the Wayne Bennett critics that he's got the Knights only 3 wins behind the Broncos on the ladder at this point in the season, and let's take a look at that with a few things in mind shall we.

Broncos:

- Very few injuries all season
- Key players have all played most games
- Hunt & Copley becoming quality FG players
- Great all around roster

Knights:

- Plagued by injuries to key players all year
- Alex McKinnon incident
- Nathan Tinkler problems
- Darius Boyd incident
- No young players stepping up
- Poor all around roster

I didn't expect the Knights to be this low on the table at this stage of the year, to be fair, but given the amount of drama and issues the Knights have had this year, I think Wayne has done a pretty decent job.