Too Sack or not too sack....

[mrslong]

Tallis was awesome on NRL last night! see him say "well I think she would know they're innocent" Lol, awesome stuff Gordy.

 

[Hamm.0]

Hey look, there's no reason Sam and K can't still be leaders and role models for the younger blokes coming through the club. All they have to do is look at themselves and realise this was a massive **** up and coach the younger guys saying "look at what happened to us, that's why you just have to be so bloody careful about how you behave. Partying is not worth this sort of crap."

If they take that attitude to this, then I can see them salvaging their reputations.

If they take the attitude of "we dun nuffing wrong, it's all the **** media's fault" then they're not the men for that job.

Exactly Coxy.

Look at the past captains of the Australian Cricket team. Hell, look st the 2nd greatest cricketer Australia has ever produced....Ole' Warny still does charity gigs!!!!!

Compound Fracture hit it all on the head. This forum, in general, jumped the gun, slurred relentlessly, made silly accusations and statements.

We, like these players, can all learn from this.

And to suggest that the players involved can't learn from their mistakes is ridiculous. In fact, this could be the catalyst that makes some very good playes, great.......or they could simply continue to muck about. Balls in their court, but I for one, would back them if they pulled it together.

 

[Huge]

Coxy..the lads did do nothing wrong, stop moralizing. Get pissed, cop a blowie...where's the problem?. When my boys older, I would'nt care one bit if he did the same. Endlessly judging others while incapable of admitting your own shortcomings. Like when your wrong about something.

Everytime something happens people on this forum squeal with indignation and outrage but if you applied the same standards to them or someone close to them then it's a whole new ballgame. Whenever will the posters learn to sit back, observe and make a reasoned judgement ????

The most silly thing I've read is the suggestion they should stop partying !!!....why the hell should they ??? because they play football !!!!!!! ????????????...kidding are'nt you ???...they should be denied the chance to do what any of us feel relaxed about ????...no way. Stay at home boys, don't go out boys while we stagger blindly round clubs and pubs making inappropriate remarks,using inappropriate language and vomiting in gutters...sure it's alright for us because we don't have such a lofty position in society, we're alright because we are not the embodiment of all that is good and pure. No doctors lawyers scietists or pollies attain that height......no that stratospheric position is reserved for....wait for it.....footballers.

So when do these footballers get the chance to meet someone, a future wife perhaps ?? Afterall, you guys want them to stay at home every night, don't mix with the public as we are free to do.If your children think Locky and the rest are great role models and are disappointed then you're too blame...afterall, they learnt to worship sporting people off you !!!

I've said it before but it's worth repeating...maturity brings a more reasoned approach, greater thought goes into our observations.
The sack or even censure for doing what comes natural......what a joke ...

 

[Huge]

BTW..it is the medias fault. Completely.

 

[robbie mustoe]

I would accept all the bullshit about acting like role models when out in public if these players were paid accordingly for the inconvenience. The truth is compared to other participants in the sporting market many of these players are criminally underpaid. Is it any wonder that player loyalty is at all time lows and more and more players are moving overseas when the media and their own fans are treating players in the fashion that these guys have been in this case?

 

[Coxy]

Oh far out, now they're poor victims because they don't get paid enough.

Seriously?

CF: you're right, the media sucks. I look forward to seeing how you fix it. Oh yeah, you can't.

Also look forward to how you can stop people hero worshipping and having them get upset when players misbehave. Oh yeah, you can't.

What's the solution? Players lift their act and don't feed these "righteous indignants".

 

[robbie mustoe]

Oh far out, now they're poor victims because they don't get paid enough.

Seriously?

CF: you're right, the media sucks. I look forward to seeing how you fix it. Oh yeah, you can't.

Also look forward to how you can stop people hero worshipping and having them get upset when players misbehave. Oh yeah, you can't.

What's the solution? Players lift their act and don't feed these "righteous indignants".

People are basically asking them to alter their lifestyle significantly because they are in the public eye. In my opinion, compared to other high profile individuals, the majority of rugby league players are not paid enough to ask them to do this.

 

[Coxy]

They're paid plenty, and the publicity they get is reflective of the stature of the sport they play. It's not a case of anyone liking this situation, but it's a fact of life they have to tone it down.

Or, go move to the UK or France and play something over there where nobody really gives a **** about this kind of behavior.

 

[robbie mustoe]

They're paid plenty, and the publicity they get is reflective of the stature of the sport they play. It's not a case of anyone liking this situation, but it's a fact of life they have to tone it down.

Or, go move to the UK or France and play something over there where nobody really gives a **** about this kind of behavior.

Difference of opinion then. I don't think they are sufficiently compensated for society to have the right to impose restrictions on the way they can act when outside of the boundaries of their job. You make a valid point too, this country massively over-reacts to morally questionable behaviour from sports stars. I guess the hyper-sensitive individuals on this forum might present a reasonable cross-section of the society.

 

[Coxy]

And that's what it comes down to. Your behaviour is bound by whatever your choice of employment in life dictates. Unfortunately for footballers the goal posts have moved. 20 years ago this sort of stuff was just expected and accepted, and no harm done. Women wouldn't make a complaint about this because back then they knew there was almost no chance of anything being done and it'd just be pointless heart ache.

The latter situation is improving, and so it should, but in turn it means the freedom to booze and bonk as desired is now a thing of the past. Footballers are now obliged to stack up against society's moral expectations. You can cry about that all you like, but that's a fact.

I don't think there's anything wrong with going out with mates and getting drunk. If I was a professional sportsman though, I probably wouldn't, not during the finals at least because this'd be my "time to shine". I hate the after effects of a big night.

But the days of picking up randoms for stuff is just gone. It's so easy for someone to cry rape, or even just go public, especially if the player is attached. Look at Wayne Carey and the shit that follows him around because he can't keep it in his pants?

Party? Fine. Drink? Fine. Sex romps? OK, so long as you know the motives of all involved and are careful of the consequences.

But then, as others have said, they're 21. And drunk. Brains don't work for kids that young. So in that case, avoid the sex romps altogether. That's my advice, and I'm sure that's the advice of the clubs, the NRL, and most sports psychologists too!

 

[Flutterby]

People are basically asking them to alter their lifestyle significantly because they are in the public eye. I

Completely disagree - people are just asking them to act like responsible members of society. Most people who aren't in the public eye don't spend anywhere near as much time as a lot of sportspeople partying it up around town and treating others with such complete dis-regard. Don't get me wrong, I know there are some members of the 'general public' who do similar things, but the vast majority don't. So these footballers make a choice themselves to have a lifestyle of drinking and acting in a way that many of us consider uncivilized and expecting to get away with whatever they want - being in the public eye and getting paid as much as they do is what leads them to have such a lifestyle in the first place.

 

[robbie mustoe]

People are basically asking them to alter their lifestyle significantly because they are in the public eye. I

Completely disagree - people are just asking them to act like responsible members of society. Most people who aren't in the public eye don't spend anywhere near as much time as a lot of sportspeople partying it up around town and treating others with such complete dis-regard. Don't get me wrong, I know there are some members of the 'general public' who do similar things, but the vast majority don't. So these footballers make a choice themselves to have a lifestyle of drinking and acting in a way that many of us consider uncivilized and expecting to get away with whatever they want - being in the public eye and getting paid as much as they do is what leads them to have such a lifestyle in the first place.

The relevant cross-section is males aged between 18 and 24. If you think that the conduct of footballers in this age bracket is not roughly representative of the actions of the majority of individuals in this group you are fairly naive.

 

[Hamm.0]

CF and robbie mustoe are on the money here.

NRL players get paid nothing compared to other sportsman...who do far, far worse acts. Look at the NFL or EPL to start!!

And people do act like this, constantly....come out with me on a Friday night, I won't drink and we can just observe, in almost every bar throughout brisbane, men and woman acting like complete fucktards.

Coxy; SOME elite footballers are paid good money and should refrain from this sort of behaviour....do you think $100k a season is enough, compared to professionals, to stop going clubbing?

I lol at the thoughts of many; like CF said, you don't do it, but we will.....There is a BHQ thread at this very moment, where people are comparing the night life of Sydney and Brisbane. Therefore, many BHQ posters must enjoy the nightlife.....but a footballer can't.

Footballers need to be responsible for their own behaviour, but we can't be unreasonale in our expectations. To stop a early 20's something male from clubbing and having sex is straight unreasonable.

No matter what they say, with the compuiter screen in front of them, IMO, 90% of the males on this forum; if in a nightclub, had a young, sexy chick dancing with them, ask them to come into the toilets for abit of "fun", they would be in there in seconds.

 

[Flutterby]

[quote="robbie mustoe":1pctmvyl]
People are basically asking them to alter their lifestyle significantly because they are in the public eye. I

Completely disagree - people are just asking them to act like responsible members of society. Most people who aren't in the public eye don't spend anywhere near as much time as a lot of sportspeople partying it up around town and treating others with such complete dis-regard. Don't get me wrong, I know there are some members of the 'general public' who do similar things, but the vast majority don't. So these footballers make a choice themselves to have a lifestyle of drinking and acting in a way that many of us consider uncivilized and expecting to get away with whatever they want - being in the public eye and getting paid as much as they do is what leads them to have such a lifestyle in the first place.

The relevant cross-section is males aged between 18 and 24. If you think that the conduct of footballers in this age bracket is not roughly representative of the actions of the majority of individuals in this group you are fairly naive.[/quote:1pctmvyl]

You can call me naive, but I actually have a lot of friends male age between 18 and 24 and they would never ever engage in such behaviour. I'm not saying there aren't some that do, but in my experiences of those that are 'regular' people in this age bracket, it's only a very small % who would. It might be because they have less of an opportunity (ie most who don't have a high profile wouldn't find women wanting to engage in such alleged acts), but that again points to the level of responsibility that comes with a high profile. Let's remember that they actually choose to play football for a living, no-one has forced them down this path and they go into it knowing the type of scrutiny they will be under.

 

[Coxy]

Amen Flutterby.

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I was both male and 18-24 for about 7 years. And I got up to nothing like this. Did I drink? You better fucking believe it. Did I have a bit of a pash and a grope on a dance floor or whatever with randoms? You better fucking believe it. Did I get offers for a cheap root? Occasionally, but never took it.

Call me weird, queer, whatever, but that ain't my scene. You can bet I _thought_ about it, but I've always been more interested in relationships, not just sex.

Just because you, Hammo etc feel that way, and clearly these particular footballers, doesn't mean the "vast majority" feel the same way.

It's ok, I'm not judging you. You're just not the kinda guys I'd go out with if that's what you're out looking to do.

Ironically in 2006 I was in Sydney, and my marriage was on the rocks (now well and truly gone, I've moved on) and I was meeting up with a mate who moved down there who would brag to me about the pussy he'd get every weekend. This was a bloke who was as shy as you like around chicks in Brisbane and never had a girlfriend.

Being frustrated with my relationship, I went down there thinking, if I got an offer I'd say yes. And this guy was convinced he'd find hot chicks with the blokes he hangs with. And pills if I was interested (I wasn't).

We went to this exclusive club, one of them knew the bouncer, got us in avoiding the $40 cover charge. Sweet as. Yeah, hot chicks everywhere, and these blokes were just scouting. I was just casually drinking, having a look, bit of a "how ya going" to a few people with not much response. Meh, wasn't bothered. Good range of booze :P

I got bored with the blokes, so bored in fact I started dancing...anyone who knows me knows that ain't me. Occasionally I'd look around and these guys I had come with were looking around like lost puppies trying to find someone to hit on that wouldn't ignore them, or someone carrying gear. Nada.

After about 5 hours they said "this place is shit, let's go to the Cross". Meh, whatever.

These guys were full of shit. They had talked themselves up, chasing the pussy, blah blah blah.

What's my point? I reckon most of you blokes in favour of this behaviour love it because you would LOVE to have that opportunity the Broncos boys had. And that most weekends, it's more like the guys I was describing, including the bloke who had a massive attack of the sads and stormed home about 3am.

LOLZ

 

[robbie mustoe]

Amen Flutterby.

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I was both male and 18-24 for about 7 years. And I got up to nothing like this. Did I drink? You better **** believe it. Did I have a bit of a pash and a grope on a dance floor or whatever with randoms? You better **** believe it. Did I get offers for a cheap root? Occasionally, but never took it.

Call me weird, queer, whatever, but that ain't my scene. You can bet I _thought_ about it, but I've always been more interested in relationships, not just sex.

Just because you, Hammo etc feel that way, and clearly these particular footballers, doesn't mean the "vast majority" feel the same way.

It's ok, I'm not judging you. You're just not the kinda guys I'd go out with if that's what you're out looking to do.

Ironically in 2006 I was in Sydney, and my marriage was on the rocks (now well and truly gone, I've moved on) and I was meeting up with a mate who moved down there who would brag to me about the pussy he'd get every weekend. This was a bloke who was as shy as you like around chicks in Brisbane and never had a girlfriend.

Being frustrated with my relationship, I went down there thinking, if I got an offer I'd say yes. And this guy was convinced he'd find hot chicks with the blokes he hangs with. And pills if I was interested (I wasn't).

We went to this exclusive club, one of them knew the bouncer, got us in avoiding the $40 cover charge. Sweet as. Yeah, hot chicks everywhere, and these blokes were just scouting. I was just casually drinking, having a look, bit of a "how ya going" to a few people with not much response. Meh, wasn't bothered. Good range of booze :P

I got bored with the blokes, so bored in fact I started dancing...anyone who knows me knows that ain't me. Occasionally I'd look around and these guys I had come with were looking around like lost puppies trying to find someone to hit on that wouldn't ignore them, or someone carrying gear. Nada.

After about 5 hours they said "this place is shit, let's go to the Cross". Meh, whatever.

These guys were full of shit. They had talked themselves up, chasing the pussy, blah blah blah.

What's my point? I reckon most of you blokes in favour of this behaviour love it because you would LOVE to have that opportunity the Broncos boys had. And that most weekends, it's more like the guys I was describing, including the bloke who had a massive attack of the sads and stormed home about 3am.

LOLZ

I never said I "love" the behaviour. I'm 23 and have been in the same relationship for 6 years. I am just capable of looking at the bigger picture. People I know, around my age, act in a similar manner to these guys. Sure, the Broncos receive more sexual offers because of who they are but I don't see that as being particularly relevant. The point is that what they are doing is not largely different to the actions of a very reasonable proportion of the rest of their demographic within society. It is not reasonable of people like yourself to carry on like they should adhere to a completely different moral code to the rest of society. Keep in mind that several people on these boards were crying for these guys to lose their jobs the other day, regardless of whether any illegalities had been committed.

 

[Coxy]

Most of us don't have employment that imposes a code of conduct that goes beyond our "on site" times do we? The Broncos do. And there are strict policies about standards of behaviour and alcohol consumption.

You can say we're applying these standards on them, but really it's as much the Broncos and the sport themselves.

Look at Todd Carney. You can't tell me other blokes you know haven't gone a bit stupid on the piss, or even that they do it every weekend. He's gone as a result.

 

[robbie mustoe]

Most of us don't have employment that imposes a code of conduct that goes beyond our "on site" times do we? The Broncos do. And there are strict policies about standards of behaviour and alcohol consumption.

You can say we're applying these standards on them, but really it's as much the Broncos and the sport themselves.

Look at Todd Carney. You can't tell me other blokes you know haven't gone a bit stupid on the piss, or even that they do it every weekend. He's gone as a result.

Todd Carney was repeatedly warned for his conduct. Also, none of my mates have led the police on a late night high speed car chase through the city whilst intoxicated and then tried to get a mate to take the blame. That is breaking the law - something our players have not done.

If players are repetatively going out and getting trashed and causing trouble and the club warns them about their behaviour on several occasions, tries to get them to do something about it and the behaviour continues, I would accept a dismissal. As far as I am aware this is yet to occur with the 3 players in question.