TPJ and Unregistered Third Party Agreement

BroncsFan said:
It's literally fox quoting themselves and creating a headline from the quote.

In reality the Broncos will be in trouble IF they provided any sort of coordination between the third party and TPJ, including any promises during contract negotiations... but even then that may not be too far off what the tigers did with Robbie.

I'm not sure how TPA's are documented through the club itself, and who is responsible for identifying conflicts of interest (in the case of TPA's it would be ensuring they are at arm's length from the club)... but I don't really see how the Broncos should be involved at all with TPA's.

They're meant to be sourced by the player manager, therefore it should be up to them to undertake the due diligence and register it with the NRL, etc.

As was mentioned earlier a third party may approach the club for contact details (which I think is fair enough given contacts for players and player managers aren't necessarily known and the club seems a logical place to get in touch), but that's probably it.

Should the Broncos even be keeping track of it??

It has nothing to do with our salary cap and we cant source any of it... if the player, player manager or third party fucked it up and didn't register it then that should be on them.
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Sorry, but if you read the NRL rules, it absolutely IS the club's responsibility to report it to the NRL for approval, even if they had no part in arranging it:

Income that a player earns from parties not related to his club is generally not included in the Salary Cap, however, the details of the agreement must be advised to the club by the player.

The club must then get approval for the agreement from the Salary Cap Auditor in order for the remuneration to be excluded.
 
BroncsFan said:
It's literally fox quoting themselves and creating a headline from the quote.

In reality the Broncos will be in trouble IF they provided any sort of coordination between the third party and TPJ, including any promises during contract negotiations... but even then that may not be too far off what the tigers did with Robbie.

I'm not sure how TPA's are documented through the club itself, and who is responsible for identifying conflicts of interest (in the case of TPA's it would be ensuring they are at arm's length from the club)... but I don't really see how the Broncos should be involved at all with TPA's.

They're meant to be sourced by the player manager, therefore it should be up to them to undertake the due diligence and register it with the NRL, etc.

As was mentioned earlier a third party may approach the club for contact details (which I think is fair enough given contacts for players and player managers aren't necessarily known and the club seems a logical place to get in touch), but that's probably it.

Should the Broncos even be keeping track of it??

It has nothing to do with our salary cap and we cant source any of it... if the player, player manager or third party fucked it up and didn't register it then that should be on them.
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AFAIK the NRL has to be made aware of all income streams by registered players. I recall Hindmarsh had some issues in his last years of playing, because the club did not disclose income he made from his then new book.
 
kooly87 said:
Sorry, but if you read the NRL rules, it absolutely IS the club's responsibility to report it to the NRL for approval, even if they had no part in arranging it:

Income that a player earns from parties not related to his club is generally not included in the Salary Cap, however, the details of the agreement must be advised to the club by the player.

The club must then get approval for the agreement from the Salary Cap Auditor in order for the remuneration to be excluded.
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to to sum up who gets in strife here:

If TPJ or his manager told the club about the TPA, the club is in trouble.

if TPJ or his manager failed to tell the club about the TPA, then one or both of them is in trouble
 
Purple Pills said:
More importantly, how did a private 2 person conversation between TPJ and Politis leak to the media if TPJ didn’t leak it?!?

The media must have tapped Politis’ phone [emoji848]
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I have wondered about how it became public knowledge. That's something I'd really like to know. My guess is TPJ was discussing his future with another player who probably also was trying to make a decision on his own future and this unknown player innocently mentioned it in the wrong company.
 
Foordy said:
to to sum up who gets in strife here:

If TPJ or his manager told the club about the TPA, the club is in trouble.

if TPJ or his manager failed to tell the club about the TPA, then one or both of them is in trouble
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Correct. If TPJ bought it up though you'd have to think his manager has a smoking gun up his sleeve as far as the club being aware of it. Seems insane that they would be the one to raise it if they didn't.
 
I wouldn't put much credence into anything this idiot says.
 
kooly87 said:
Sorry, but if you read the NRL rules, it absolutely IS the club's responsibility to report it to the NRL for approval, even if they had no part in arranging it:

Income that a player earns from parties not related to his club is generally not included in the Salary Cap, however, the details of the agreement must be advised to the club by the player.

The club must then get approval for the agreement from the Salary Cap Auditor in order for the remuneration to be excluded.
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I did say that I'm not sure who is responsible for registering the TPA.

Why is it not also required to register with the NRL at the same time??

By the time it gets to the club it should be a formality as they can't source it or negotiate with the third party.

If the manager isn't also sending it to the salary cap auditor then that opens up potential for a club to rort the system.
"Oh Rob's chicken shop is putting in a $5k TPA for a guest appearance... why dont we just add another zero in there and flick it off to the NRL".

It also allows the club to see how much extra a player is getting on top of his salary and who potential TPA's are.... why should the club be given that sort of information??

"Oh look here old mate is getting $100k pa from the local Mercedes dealer... guess if he signs elsewhere he'll basically lose that so we can undersell him a bit"

I understand that the NRL may want clubs to be aware of TPA's for completeness, but it definitely shouldn't be a situation where the onus is on the club to disclose something that they're not meant to have any involvement in
 
Foordy said:
If TPJ or his manager told the club about the TPA, the club is in trouble.

if TPJ or his manager failed to tell the club about the TPA, then one or both of them is in trouble
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Please let it be the manager!!!
 
this is the same bloke who told the integrity unit he would probably break covid protocols again, he is not a clever person.
 
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kooly87 said:
Correct. If TPJ bought it up though you'd have to think his manager has a smoking gun up his sleeve as far as the club being aware of it. Seems insane that they would be the one to raise it if they didn't.
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Or TPJ is just dumb and went rogue, trying to use it as leverage against the club in order to cling on to his lucrative contract.

He's dumber in more ways than he realises. Dodgy 3rd party deals are not well kept secrets. There wouldn't be a decent player out there who didn't get something a little extra under the table. They all just know to NEVER talk about it. He's now revealed himself to be a squealer. Confidential, dangerous info that he'll happily divulge in order to get what he wants. No club will want to touch that, with perhaps the exception of those protected by a certain car salesman.
 
Morkel said:
Or TPJ is just dumb and went rogue, trying to use it as leverage against the club in order to cling on to his lucrative contract.

He's dumber in more ways than he realises. Dodgy 3rd party deals are not well kept secrets. There wouldn't be a decent player out there who didn't get something a little extra under the table. They all just know to NEVER talk about it. He's now revealed himself to be a squealer. Confidential, dangerous info that he'll happily divulge in order to get what he wants. No club will want to touch that, with perhaps the exception of those protected by a certain car salesman.
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Yea it feels like TPJ keeps digging the hole deeper with every move.
Not only that, but he has put all his mates at the Broncos under a microscope now, and their 3rd party deals will likely be looked at a little closer.
Way to burn your bridges.
 
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TPJ is an idiot. Can still see Bennett signing him at Souths (or wherever he is next) and playing the card where he is going to turn it all around for Tevita and that he's a new man.
 
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TPJ will get snapped up on atleast the same money if not more if he was released. He is too good of talent - everybody will believe they will be the team to turn him around and maybe will.

If Broncos have broken the rules on third party payments its solely on them unless TPJ also knew it wasn't registered.
 
Midean said:
Jesus mate, can you dumb it down a touch for us simple folk, i need a nap after reading that.
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Imagine being a cheat and TPJ being smart is the only thing stopping you from going to the naughty corner. You would find it hard settling in for night nights.
 
kooly87 said:
Sorry, but if you read the NRL rules, it absolutely IS the club's responsibility to report it to the NRL for approval, even if they had no part in arranging it:

Income that a player earns from parties not related to his club is generally not included in the Salary Cap, however, the details of the agreement must be advised to the club by the player.

The club must then get approval for the agreement from the Salary Cap Auditor in order for the remuneration to be excluded.
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The devil in the detail there is that the player has to inform the club. Is it beyond the realm of possibility that TPJ and his agent did a deal and did not inform the broncos about it?
 
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