What’s going wrong with us?

[Skyblues87]

Based on Seibolds one buy so far, Richie Kennar, do we even want him rebuilding our club?

And why is it so hard for people to concede that the 2018 coach of the rabbitohs left them in much better shape then the 2018 broncos coach did to the broncos?

I mean, it's not like Bennett has a track record of it, or that 3 underperforming and obviously not up to standard spine players were re-signed long term on his watch before he left, or that he was bitter and vindictive towards the club because he wanted to leave at the age of 90 and leave us in a worse position where we would have had just as abad a team but lost all our youngsters.

Am I saying it's his fault, no. What I am saying is he isn't a coach to set a club up for continued success, the success only happens when he is there. Sounds great right? Well, what about the 10 years after he's gone, because he has 3, or 4 years left MAX and we weren't going to win a premiership with him in charge with the squad we had in that time, the 4 years before showed that. Will we with seibold? Maybe, maybe not, but ffs I applaud the club for being proactive rather then sitting back and getting our assets raped again post Bennett like last time

When has ANYONE, I repeat ANYONE, even ONCE, I repeat even ONCE, said seibold is a better coach. Even souths fans know they will be fucked in 3 years just like every single club Bennett has left, but at least they have a team in place to win a premiership in the time he is there. We didn't! So why the **** would we suffer for 5 years post Bennett with no more premierships to our name just like the last 4 years he has been here, when we can tear the band aid off now and have a shot in a few years

100pct spot on.

 

[Cult]

Bennett wanted to be here in 2019. Seibold got the team Bennett would have had in 2019. Why would Bennett have "salted the earth" for himself?

 

[broncos4life]

Fmd why is it so hard for people to concede Bennett is a better coach than seibs?

I do accept that and in fact I even said that quite clearly in a post yesterday. Why can’t you accept that Seibs had a fair bit to do with how that team is now though.

Seibs isn’t half the coach Bennett is as of right now and potentially never will be, but he deserves the chance to see how well he can go.

 

[rigby]

Boyd and the leadership group are not doing there job on the field as I see it, their attitude stinks and that is never going to go well with a inexperienced group. Has been this way since Boyd took over as captain.

 

[BruiserMk1]

There is a massive, glaring issue I can see, and it doesn't look like it's going to be fixed any time soon. Darius Boyd is not having a dig. He looks to me like he's just going through the motions to get his pay cheque, or there's something seriously wrong with him in terms of an injury. But to me, it looks like he has a toxic attitude on the field, and that filters into the other players.

He needs to go immediately, IMO.

Digressing a bit, has a captain ever been dumped from a team during a season and replaced?

 

[Battler]

The only coaches that could have possibly have had this squad in title contention this year are Hasler and Bellamy and only because they aren't afraid to make tough calls and absolutely tear shreds off under performers. Hasler's also a fantastic coach in general as shown by his results with Manly. Mind you we probably would have lost several players because A LOT of the squad seems to be comprised of precious darlings who lack any sort of toughness.

Bennett would have gotten us to 8ish but we would have still been no chance of winning the prem, so what's the point in even making the finals if you can't win the comp? This trend would have continued until he retired and then we'd be in our current predicament in three years time instead of copping it right now. Bennett has proven that he's a failure when it comes to recruiting players without help, him turning down Moses when we absolutely needed a half back confirmed that as did pushing for four year deals for three old blokes that hardly anybody else wanted when we had depth or could have went to the market if they had a sook and walked. Just look at the absolute state of the teams he leaves after he's had a period of near complete control of recruitment. Souths are geniuses for not letting him touch anything.

The rorters came 15th one year and then had a period of success, I'd rather be in their current position than ours. So if that's our hard road to success in a year or two's time bring it on.

There is a massive, glaring issue I can see, and it doesn't look like it's going to be fixed any time soon. Darius Boyd is not having a dig. He looks to me like he's just going through the motions to get his pay cheque, or there's something seriously wrong with him in terms of an injury. But to me, it looks like he has a toxic attitude on the field, and that filters into the other players.

He needs to go immediately, IMO.

Yep a Bennett approved and shilled for signing that is going to haunt us badly.

Bennett wanted to be here in 2019. Seibold got the team Bennett would have had in 2019. Why would Bennett have "salted the earth" for himself?

The decisions he made were just flat out dumb. He's not some sort of conniving genius villain who planned this, he's just not good at recruiting or retaining players.

I find it hard to believe that Bennett who made the Broncos the club that it is now, would intentionally setup up things for others to fail. Just admit that the guys replacing him a 5 to 6 rungs below his coaching level.

Most of his success came in a period where we were the equivalent of the modern day Roosters in terms of our squad and when he had an actual genius recruiting talent. '06 was won off the brilliance of one of the best players of all time. Since then I concede that the storm cheating the cap has ruined 10 years+ of NRL because they shouldn't have been, and still shouldn't because they are still reaping the rewards of cheating to retain Smith, a force.

 

[PNG Broncos fan88]

Digressing a bit, has a captain ever been dumped from a team during a season and replaced?

Happened to the Panthers a few rounds ago, under fire Cleary Snr benched Reagan Campbell Gillard and put James Tamou in as captain.

 

[Accept]

Digressing a bit, has a captain ever been dumped from a team during a season and replaced?

Nathan Adcock- South Australia cricket- 2008.

 

[rnabokov]

I find it hard to believe that Bennett who made the Broncos the club that it is now, would intentionally setup up things for others to fail. Just admit that the guys replacing him a 5 to 6 rungs below his coaching level.

I find this sort of view difficult to stomach. And it's been done to death on these threads it's so boring I'm over it.

The Broncos was and remains a whole lot more than Bennett, or Seibold or any single individual.

Comparing Bennett to Seibold is ludicrous. Years and years of coaching some of the greatest players the game has known, and with a style that is so radically different to Seibold who has been here for 8 games.

Come back in at least a full season and then start the analysis of Seibold's results. Until then, focus on the team and the way they play instead of this ridiculous comparison to Bennett. So over this shit...

 

[PNG Broncos fan88]

Bennett wanted to be here in 2019. Seibold got the team Bennett would have had in 2019. Why would Bennett have "salted the earth" for himself?

Some people just outthink themselves. Why would he want to fucking stay if he think we were going to be shitty!
He is the Broncos and we fucking owe him all our success.

But in saying that, we wish our current coach all the best to turn things around fucking pronto.

 

[broncos4life]

The thread is about what’s going wrong with us. In my opinion it’s the coach. I wasn’t impressed with him last year, and he’s going backwards.

Can’t blame people for getting confused about what thread it is seeing you turn every thread into a bash Seibold/praise Bennett thread. I wouldn’t be surprised if I went into the ‘what song are you listening to’ thread and see posts about how this song reminds you of Wayne.

 

[broncsgoat]

Can’t blame people for getting confused about what thread it is seeing you turn every thread into a bash Seibold/praise Bennett thread. I wouldn’t be surprised if I went into the ‘what song are you listening to’ thread and see posts about how this song reminds you of Wayne.

Is someone listening to we are the champions?

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Bennett wanted to be here in 2019. Seibold got the team Bennett would have had in 2019. Why would Bennett have "salted the earth" for himself?

There is no doubt Bennett would have got us better results this year with the players he re-signed. But you cannot seriously expect us to believe that he had brisbanes future in his thoughts when 30 year old boyd with hamstring issues and a solid defensive only hooker nearing his 30s to 4 year deals were signed under his watch for overs? When no other club was after them as well... Come on now....

The evidence is in the track record, look at Newcastle, the dragons, us after the 1st time, now. That's 4 occasions now, out of 4... But hey, I'm sure that's just a coincidence ye?

 

[Allo]

Is someone listening to we are the champions?

Wayne was almost able to do whatever he wanted post 2015, but it didn't happen, so he had a far greater responsibility after then to make sure the team was well placed once he left (be it retirement or otherwise). Add in the fact that we aren't a club like the Dragons or Newcastle that wanted their once-every-20 year premiership. He would still be copping flak (albeit less so) if he made the same decisions had we won.

You can respect his achievements, but also separate them from his recent past and future. He's made no decisions at the Rabbits yet. See if they end up in the same position that we are once he leaves, regardless if he wins a title or not.

 

[Cult]

Can’t blame people for getting confused about what thread it is seeing you turn every thread into a bash Seibold/praise Bennett thread. I wouldn’t be surprised if I went into the ‘what song are you listening to’ thread and see posts about how this song reminds you of Wayne.

Now you’re just copy and pasting my posts regarding a certain other agenda

 

[Cult]

There is no doubt Bennett would have got us better results this year with the players he re-signed. But you cannot seriously expect us to believe that he had brisbanes future in his thoughts when 30 year old boyd with hamstring issues and a solid defensive only hooker nearing his 30s to 4 year deals were signed under his watch for overs? When no other club was after them as well... Come on now....

The evidence is in the track record, look at Newcastle, the dragons, us after the 1st time, now. That's 4 occasions now, out of 4... But hey, I'm sure that's just a coincidence ye?

And you can’t seriously have me believe Bennett was in charge of signing contracts after the club had shown they weren’t interested in him coaching this year, but here we are.

 

[Unbreakable]

The thread is about what’s going wrong with us. In my opinion it’s the coach. I wasn’t impressed with him last year, and he’s going backwards.

This'll be good, may I ask which aspects of his coaching performance last year that you weren't impressed with?

Could it have been him increasing their total points scored on the year prior by 25.4%? (582 in 2018 vs 464 in 2017), him decreasing their total points conceded on the year prior by 22.5%? (437 in 2018 vs 564 in 2017), maybe it was him increasing Souths home winning percentage from 33.3% in 2017 to 75.0% in 2018, or maybe even him increasing Souths away winning percentage from 41.6% in 2017 to 58.3% in 2018?

We won't even bother delving in to how he re-invigorated the Burgess twins or helped empower Cook in to going from a "journeyman" to the NSW & Australian Hooker. Or how he helped Souths lead the competition in various attacking stats after being near the bottom of the NRL the year prior, like line breaks, effective decoy runs, etc.

I could do a similar statistical break down of Wayne Bennett's performance last season if you'd like.

(Spoiler: It's notable decreases in every aspect)

 

[broncsgoat]

This'll be good, may I ask which aspects of his coaching performance last year that you weren't impressed with?

Could it have been him increasing their total points scored on the year prior by 25.4%? (582 in 2018 vs 464 in 2017), him decreasing their total points conceded on the year prior by 22.5%? (437 in 2018 vs 564 in 2017), maybe it was him increasing Souths home winning percentage from 33.3% in 2017 to 75.0% in 2018, or maybe even him increasing Souths away winning percentage from 41.6% in 2017 to 58.3% in 2018?

We won't even bother delving in to how he re-invigorated the Burgess twins or helped empower Cook in to going from a "journeyman" to the NSW & Australian Hooker. Or how he helped Souths lead the competition in various attacking stats after being near the bottom of the NRL the year prior, like line breaks, effective decoy runs, etc.

I could do a similar statistical break down of Wayne Bennett's performance last season if you'd like.

(Spoiler: It's notable decreases in every aspect)

I wasn’t impressed with him when we signed him. He was cracking under the pressure before he even arrived.