What is happening at the Broncos?

Have you not looked at Wayne Bennets squad tactics for the past decade? He doesn't want to develop players. Every squad he has had in this period has had very poor depth as he spends big on a best possible 17 with 2 or 3 decent reserves, and hopes he gets lucky with form and injury to win a comp. He just wants to win another comp and retire. That's the issue with this mentality. He got lucky with the dragons run, and then had bad injuries and an aging, overrated roster at the knights. This is similar to the issue we have now with some of our squad. He is actually ruining the club. Talk to any Dragons or Knights fan and look at the state he left them in.

Completely disagree with this. In my view this is nonsense. Unless you know what riding instructions that Bennett was being given by Newcastle management and Tinkler you cannot make this criticism in my view. He may have been on a very short leash with an expectation to bring quick results, hence the recruiting that was undertaken.
 
Isn't that exactly what WB does ? Oppa, Sua and Isaako already have been given a run. Haas will get a run after WBs considered he's ready enough.

To a point he has, but at the same time he could have given them all more game time consistently. Issako aside, the others havent got a run of games to build some consistency. Its not that easy when you are in and out of the side. I'm not even saying they are 100% ready yet either, but the likes of Sims and Sammy for example have been there and done it, yet they arent offering a lot so why not try to develop players who are the future of the Broncos. I know its not that easy to drop somebody like Sammy who has done so much for us, but his form isnt what it needs to be. I'm not a big bagger of Boyd, but it time he started performing. He is our captain, a huge earner and he needs to step up.
 
Completely disagree with this. In my view this is nonsense. Unless you know what riding instructions that Bennett was being given by Newcastle management and Tinkler you cannot make this criticism in my view. He may have been on a very short leash with an expectation to bring quick results, hence the recruiting that was undertaken.

Wayne Bennett, the 'Super Coach' Recruited on huge money being on a short leash? are you even listening to yourself? At no club has Wayne ever answered to anybody. Not since the early 2000s at least. Also, he has done the same thing at 3 clubs in a row now... Release any young player who has potential for a few years time (Ash Taylor, Arrow, Wallace all had huge wraps on them), and have a squad of 17 players on big money, and the rest of the 30 on pennies. He has been treating every contract he has as it is his last, and the results are showing that. He hasn't won a comp since 2010, and has only been in the Grand Final once since then, having his first grand final defeat. our 2018 squad is 100% his choosing because not a single player in our current squad was signed past 2016 before he arrived. All of our misfortunes with no organisation, no depth and aging, injured players like Boyd and Thaiday. For a team that has more resources than any other club in the competition, it is absolutely pathetic that we are in the spot we are in now. Even 2015, we got lucky to get as far as we did. We had several players have their best ever season that year and were very lucky with injuries. Other than that, We haven't ever really been a heavy weight since Lockyer retired.

I think Bennett has a lot to answer to, and so does Paul White because honestly, coaching staff coming and going mid season, and very questionable recruitment choices (Like honestly not a single club in the NRL would have signed Boyd for $750k a season for 4 seasons, NOT ONE, especially considering his contract was finalised AFTER he did his hamstring).
 
Surely Boyd wiill retire in the next year or two. Won't last the full 4.
 
Surely Boyd wiill retire in the next year or two. Won't last the full 4.

I can remember something when he was during negotiations that’s the last 2 were in the clubs favour .
Means nothing if Wayne is still here cause he will get him to stay
 
I can remember something when he was during negotiations that’s the last 2 were in the clubs favour .
Means nothing if Wayne is still here cause he will get him to stay
They probably put that in because they knew no other coach in the world would want him..
 
Wayne Bennett, the 'Super Coach' Recruited on huge money being on a short leash? are you even listening to yourself? At no club has Wayne ever answered to anybody. Not since the early 2000s at least. Also, he has done the same thing at 3 clubs in a row now... Release any young player who has potential for a few years time (Ash Taylor, Arrow, Wallace all had huge wraps on them), and have a squad of 17 players on big money, and the rest of the 30 on pennies. He has been treating every contract he has as it is his last, and the results are showing that. He hasn't won a comp since 2010, and has only been in the Grand Final once since then, having his first grand final defeat. our 2018 squad is 100% his choosing because not a single player in our current squad was signed past 2016 before he arrived. All of our misfortunes with no organisation, no depth and aging, injured players like Boyd and Thaiday. For a team that has more resources than any other club in the competition, it is absolutely pathetic that we are in the spot we are in now. Even 2015, we got lucky to get as far as we did. We had several players have their best ever season that year and were very lucky with injuries. Other than that, We haven't ever really been a heavy weight since Lockyer retired.

I think Bennett has a lot to answer to, and so does Paul White because honestly, coaching staff coming and going mid season, and very questionable recruitment choices (Like honestly not a single club in the NRL would have signed Boyd for $750k a season for 4 seasons, NOT ONE, especially considering his contract was finalised AFTER he did his hamstring).

If you do not believe that even Wayne answers to those who pay him, you are very very naive. You cite three players he has let go, what about the young players he has signed and/or kept. There is such a thing as a salary cap you realize. Oh, and 2015 was not his first grand final loss. He lost grand finals in Brisbane, and he lost the 1987 grand final as coach of Canberra (look it up, you will be surprised).

If the results from the last three years do not qualify us as being a `heavy weight', I don't know what does. Melbourne have won one in the last 5 years.
 
Have you not looked at Wayne Bennets squad tactics for the past decade? He doesn't want to develop players. Every squad he has had in this period has had very poor depth as he spends big on a best possible 17 with 2 or 3 decent reserves, and hopes he gets lucky with form and injury to win a comp. He just wants to win another comp and retire. That's the issue with this mentality. He got lucky with the dragons run, and then had bad injuries and an aging, overrated roster at the knights. This is similar to the issue we have now with some of our squad. He is actually ruining the club. Talk to any Dragons or Knights fan and look at the state he left them in.

How do you figure that ?? Think you have had to much pudding. Have a look at the juniors he has brought through the years and the systems he put in place for Queensland and Newcastle. You dribble shit , give yourself an uppercut..
 
Wayne Bennett, the 'Super Coach' Recruited on huge money being on a short leash? are you even listening to yourself? At no club has Wayne ever answered to anybody. Not since the early 2000s at least. Also, he has done the same thing at 3 clubs in a row now... Release any young player who has potential for a few years time (Ash Taylor, Arrow, Wallace all had huge wraps on them), and have a squad of 17 players on big money, and the rest of the 30 on pennies. He has been treating every contract he has as it is his last, and the results are showing that. He hasn't won a comp since 2010, and has only been in the Grand Final once since then, having his first grand final defeat. our 2018 squad is 100% his choosing because not a single player in our current squad was signed past 2016 before he arrived. All of our misfortunes with no organisation, no depth and aging, injured players like Boyd and Thaiday. For a team that has more resources than any other club in the competition, it is absolutely pathetic that we are in the spot we are in now. Even 2015, we got lucky to get as far as we did. We had several players have their best ever season that year and were very lucky with injuries. Other than that, We haven't ever really been a heavy weight since Lockyer retired.

I think Bennett has a lot to answer to, and so does Paul White because honestly, coaching staff coming and going mid season, and very questionable recruitment choices (Like honestly not a single club in the NRL would have signed Boyd for $750k a season for 4 seasons, NOT ONE, especially considering his contract was finalised AFTER he did his hamstring).

It was mentioned that tinkler had alot to do with certain contracts. Uneducated ......
 
Completely disagree with this. In my view this is nonsense. Unless you know what riding instructions that Bennett was being given by Newcastle management and Tinkler you cannot make this criticism in my view. He may have been on a very short leash with an expectation to bring quick results, hence the recruiting that was undertaken.

Didn't he give himself that same expectation when he came back to the broncos? He said it'd take 3 years to get to a premiership level. Came really close in 2015 but it's been getting away from bennett ever since so he might be feeling the pressure now.
 
"We will be better off without bennett" Cullen, 2008

15/30 of the knights current squad was brought through when Bennett was there, the nsw cup-Holden cup-under 15s and under 18s were all at the top or near he top of the table, he also set up the talent identification systems and camps for the knights (and the maroons)..

teams go shit after he leaves, that's correct. If you go from having a good coach to a shit coach that's what happens. Just the same in reverse actually (griffin to Bennett).

The reason we lose players (just like every club- eg Thurston says hi to the ex bulldogs fans on here) and aren't winning like the 90's is because of a little thing called the salary cap, and the delusional mind of a man called Cullen who coincidentally also thought we could do better without Bennett. We are still cleaning that mess up tbh.

He isn't immune to criticism, he should cop it for picking Thaiday & sims but the dreamland some people live in on here is Kent-like sometimes
 
15/30 of the knights current squad was brought through when Bennett was there

I'm all for finding positives about Bennett's tenure at the Knights, but this stat means SFA. Every club would have that many juniors in their top 30. If the Knights were at full strength they would have a grand total of 2 Knights juniors playing first grade. Sione Mata'utia & Lachlan Fitzgibbon.
 
(Ash Taylor, Arrow, Wallace all had huge wraps on them)

We lost Wallace because the Titans threw stupid money at him: their position on the ladder come the end of this season as well as their failures since signing him will show that that was a bad move. Same deal with Arrow who was offered stupid money for an untested player (him playing well instantly is pure luck, he could have easily have been a Jnik and failed badly at NRL level). Plus, we need to see how Carrigan, Haas, Fifita, etc go compared to Arrow before we can write this off as a bad move on Wayne's behalf. I'd easily take TPJ > Arrow.

Wayne did the wrong thing with Taylor, but he wrongly thought that Hunt would be our HB for years to come. Again, the Titans threw dumb money to keep him on board when he wanted to come back (and look to be doing the same with Wallace who has openly said he wants to play for the Broncos...). The commentators and NSW media may love him like they suddenly do Hunt, but he isn't worth what he's being paid.
 
I'm all for finding positives about Bennett's tenure at the Knights, but this stat means SFA. Every club would have that many juniors in their top 30. If the Knights were at full strength they would have a grand total of 2 Knights juniors playing first grade. Sione Mata'utia & Lachlan Fitzgibbon.
I actually agree it isn't good evidence of a job well done, but it certainly shows that he didn't neglect junior development and totally contradicts his statement that he only worried about the top 17 players (which is actually the complete opposite of how he has structured squads tbh, his teams are more built around players being able to get the job done when injury occurs no matter if they are number 30 or the best player). If the squad was full of old people that they had to get rid of there would be zero players from 2014 left. The stronger evidence follows that though...
 
Wayne Bennett, the 'Super Coach' Recruited on huge money being on a short leash? are you even listening to yourself? At no club has Wayne ever answered to anybody. Not since the early 2000s at least. Also, he has done the same thing at 3 clubs in a row now... Release any young player who has potential for a few years time (Ash Taylor, Arrow, Wallace all had huge wraps on them), and have a squad of 17 players on big money, and the rest of the 30 on pennies. He has been treating every contract he has as it is his last, and the results are showing that. He hasn't won a comp since 2010, and has only been in the Grand Final once since then, having his first grand final defeat. our 2018 squad is 100% his choosing because not a single player in our current squad was signed past 2016 before he arrived. All of our misfortunes with no organisation, no depth and aging, injured players like Boyd and Thaiday. For a team that has more resources than any other club in the competition, it is absolutely pathetic that we are in the spot we are in now. Even 2015, we got lucky to get as far as we did. We had several players have their best ever season that year and were very lucky with injuries. Other than that, We haven't ever really been a heavy weight since Lockyer retired.

I think Bennett has a lot to answer to, and so does Paul White because honestly, coaching staff coming and going mid season, and very questionable recruitment choices (Like honestly not a single club in the NRL would have signed Boyd for $750k a season for 4 seasons, NOT ONE, especially considering his contract was finalised AFTER he did his hamstring).

Surely Boyd wiill retire in the next year or two. Won't last the full 4.

Unless a specialist independent of the club and chosen by the NRL gives him a clearance to say he is retiring due to a career ending injury, his salary still counts as far as the salary cap is concerned for the next 3 years after this one. This being so, the only thing that matters is if a better fullback is available. Milford is but Wayne won't move him and there are no better options in the halves now anyway.

I really can't begin to imagine what he was thinking in signing Bird and Boyd for that much money. Milford was very good 2 years ago so (at this point) it merely seems like a mistake to sign him for so much for so long rather than evidence Wayne has a few screws loose.
 
I actually agree it isn't good evidence of a job well done, but it certainly shows that he didn't neglect junior development and totally contradicts his statement that he only worried about the top 17 players (which is actually the complete opposite of how he has structured squads tbh, his teams are more built around players being able to get the job done when injury occurs no matter if they are number 30 or the best player). If the squad was full of old people that they had to get rid of there would be zero players from 2014 left. The stronger evidence follows that though...
Everyone but Wayne himself says he left the Knights in a monumental mess. Who do you believe? If the latter, I don't think you are going to convince anyone. If the former, why try to embellish it?
 
Everyone but Wayne himself says he left the Knights in a monumental mess. Who do you believe? If the latter, I don't think you are going to convince anyone. If the former, why try to embellish it?
Wrong.
 
Make tough decisions come with the job for NRL coaches — so why is Wayne Bennett under pressure?
Paul Crawley, The Daily Telegraph
April 26, 2018 7:00am
Since he returned to the Broncos in 2015, Fox Sports Stats show Bennett’s winning strike rate is 64.56 per cent, which is actually up on his career record of 61.9 per cent.
And over the past three-and-a-bit years, his winning record is second only to Craig Bellamy (72.15).
That puts Bennett ahead of Shane Flanagan (62.03), Paul Green (59.49) and Trent Robinson (56.96), the top five coaches employed throughout this period.
Anthony Griffin’s record at Penrith since 2016 is 58.18 per cent, which would put him above Robinson.
Des Hasler was next best (52.78), while Ricky Stuart (50.63) and Paul McGregor (50.63) are the only other coaches with a better-than-average strike rate, aside from Anthony Siebold (57.14), who has only coached seven games.

media_cameraHow many trophies does Bennett need to win?
Let’s not forget 68-year-old Bennett is now in his 32nd season in the national competition (before that he coached for a decade in the Brisbane comp). Thursday night’s game against South Sydney will be his 796th in the big league.
In that time, Bennett has achieved everything that the greatest coaches have accomplished, although none have achieved what Bennett has.
He has won seven of nine grand finals, four of seven State of Origin series.
He has coached Australia, and England and New Zealand into World Cup finals.

media_cameraBennett’s time with Newcastle is a target for some. (Tony Feder/Getty Images)
Again, after all this, his strike rate since 2015 has actually gone up. Yet people continue to talk him down.
Some of them wouldn’t know a football from a watermelon.
If we are going to continue this campaign to try and tear apart Bennett’s legacy, at least call it for what it is: personal, not professional.
I have heard it mentioned several times this season that the Broncos haven’t won a premiership since 2006.
It seems, like the Rick Stone missing chapter in Newcastle history, people conveniently forget Bennett wasn’t at the club between 2009 and 2014, although Bennett did win a comp with St George Illawarra in 2010.

media_cameraBennett consoles Jordan Kahu after the 2015 grand final loss. (Toby Zerna)
In the 613 games Bennett has coached Brisbane, his record is 63.6 per cent.
Ivan Henjak’s winning record at the Broncos was 52.9 per cent and Griffin’s was 53.5 per cent.
That blows away the theory anyone can succeed at this club.
The year before Bennett returned to Brisbane, the Broncos finished eighth in the regular season.
In 2015 they made the grand final and were nailed in golden-point thriller.
Many rate that game against North Queensland the best grand final in the modern era.
Ultimately, it came down to a wobbly Johnathan Thurston field goal after Ben Hunt’s infamous dropped ball.
Do we mark that as a blight on Bennett’s record? I certainly don’t.

media_cameraSome are suggesting Bennett has finally lost his mojo. (AAP Image/Glenn Hunt)
In 2016, the Broncos finished fifth.
You will remember at the start of last season Bennett had apparently lost his aura, and the dressing room. Yet they went on to finish third.
You may also recall the Broncos went into the finals series without the injured Andrew McCullough and Darius Boyd playing on one leg.
That is not an excuse. That is reality.
Before a ball was kicked this year, many experts didn’t have the Broncos in their top eight.
Yet that performance against Melbourne last week told me they will be in this competition up to their ears.

media_cameraBennett’s relationship with the media has always been fractious. (AAP/Richard Walker)
They didn’t have Matt Gillett last week and now they will be without McCullough for a month.
You want to write them off? Go for your life.
Of 15 men in the game’s history in Australia who have coached more than 300 games, Bennett’s record (61.9 per cent), is fourth overall behind Bellamy (67.9), Bob Fulton (64.4) and Jack Gibson (62.2).
But Bennett has coached basically twice as many games as Bellamy (403), Fulton (405) and Gibson (394).
People will say a lot of the personal criticism is Bennett’s own doing because he has done the wrong thing by some people. He has also done right by many.
To survive as a head coach, they all make tough decisions that aren’t always popular.

I look back to the end of last year when Robinson made the call to bring Cooper Cronk to the Sydney Roosters that ultimately forced Mitchell Pearce to leave.
Before that, Robinson and Pearce were best buddies. You don’t reckon that’s changed?
As we saw with Robinson who is only in year six of his career, it goes with the territory.
No one is saying Bennett is a saint. But he is a bloody great football coach.
Was and still is.
If the Broncos are chasing Bellamy or anyone else to replace Bennett when his contract expires at the end of 2019, good luck to them.
But until then, just give the man the respect he has earned.

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