What is happening at the Broncos?

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Bennett was hired to make the team successful. As was Bellamy at Melbourne (but I'm still extremely doubtful he had no idea what was going on insofar as salary cap cheating). So does the article say anything about his performance at Newcastle and the state he left the team in?

No , because he has already been through that argument. And let's not pretend it wasn't in a state before he got there either..

 

[Jason Simmons]

Ok. Everyone above security guards and ticket gate attendants who is employed within the industry except Wayne himself.

And Paul Crawley and his brother, the coach of those Newcastle juniors that Wayne apparently left in a shambles, but don’t let facts inform your opinion.

You might start making sense then...

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Everyone but Wayne himself says he left the Knights in a monumental mess. Who do you believe? If the latter, I don't think you are going to convince anyone. If the former, why try to embellish it?

Who's everyone? Paul Kent, m johns, rothfield? Where do you get your inside knowledge from? I'm guessing it's from the media, the very people who have a glaringly obvious agenda against Bennett.

It's funny that the people involved in the club at the time aren't part of that "everyone" group you speak of. Paul crawleys brother was the nsw cup coach at the time, Buderus or m gidley have never to my knowledge stated it had anything to do with Bennett. Kent and rothfield have been waiting for an area they can target Bennett on after all these years, and m johns is bitter because he left early (tinkled not paying players and staff MAY have influenced his decision to leave i reckon, don't you?)

Someone had a go at me one time on here for saying that people who don't agree with me I supposedly just think they all get their ideas from the media rather then forming their own opinion. Wrong, I think people are too heavily influenced by the media when they ignore the FACTS (eg squad numbers of players under Bennett still there, setting up development camps, no back ended deals signed whilst Bennett was there, the knights best result in 10 years) and straight away regurgitate the crap/OPINIONS being said by the agenda driven media.

Let me give you a lesson in evidence.... FACTS always outweigh OPINION. That's the reason Kent got his ass handed to him on this very topic by Paul Crawley on nrl 360 just 2 weeks ago, he had no facts to back up his bullshit, Crawley (on bennetts side) did. If you provide me with FACTS to back up your claim I would happily debate you, otherwise there's no point...

I'll wait.....

 

[scgg]

We lost Wallace because the Titans threw stupid money at him: their position on the ladder come the end of this season as well as their failures since signing him will show that that was a bad move. Same deal with Arrow who was offered stupid money for an untested player (him playing well instantly is pure luck, he could have easily have been a Jnik and failed badly at NRL level). Plus, we need to see how Carrigan, Haas, Fifita, etc go compared to Arrow before we can write this off as a bad move on Wayne's behalf. I'd easily take TPJ > Arrow.

Wayne did the wrong thing with Taylor, but he wrongly thought that Hunt would be our HB for years to come. Again, the Titans threw dumb money to keep him on board when he wanted to come back (and look to be doing the same with Wallace who has openly said he wants to play for the Broncos...). The commentators and NSW media may love him like they suddenly do Hunt, but he isn't worth what he's being paid.

Do you think wallace is worth the 500k he is on a year now? Makes good business sense to me to pay a bloke 500k who is a starting qld prop. It may have seemed like a gamble at the time but obviously someone at the titans seen more in wallace than what the broncos did. No harm no foul.
Can you advise how much stupid money arrow is supposed to be on? I can tell you the reason he left and it wasnt due to coin. That is pure rubbish about him playing well being down to luck, its so wide off the mark its laughable.
If you want to talk about un-tested roll the clock back a few years - $240k for tevita as an untried nrl player fits your criteria. But that purchase looks cheap now. Hindight is a wonderful thing!!!
Im not saying that wayne letting arrow go was a bad move, just how footy is these days - some people see things differently as far as talent or development in a player goes.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

I didn't read it thoroughly (I'm at work now. Too many graphics which could give away that I'm not working:) but from what I could see of several scans, there was nothing about what he did at Newcastle and the state the club was in (regarding the salary cap and roster) when he left.

Not one (hint: all of them were) of those back ended long deals were done in stones year? You sure about that? You want to check your info a bit I think.

Brown is getting lauded for winning 2 wooden spoons and then signing "veterans who bring experience in" such as heighnington, lillyman, guerra, etc yet Bennett did the same AND set up the development programs that they still use today AND got them their best result since 2001 whilst the players and staff didn't know whether they were going to get paid each week, but hey, brown is the messiah the knights fans have been waiting for haha delusional blame someone else mentality of that fan base.

 

[BroncsFan]

I didn't read it thoroughly (I'm at work now. Too many graphics which could give away that I'm not working:) but from what I could see of several scans, there was nothing about what he did at Newcastle and the state the club was in (regarding the salary cap and roster) when he left.

Crawley already wrote about that a couple weeks ago so go look it up.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Do you think wallace is worth the 500k he is on a year now? Makes good business sense to me to pay a bloke 500k who is a starting qld prop. It may have seemed like a gamble at the time but obviously someone at the titans seen more in wallace than what the broncos did. No harm no foul.
Can you advise how much stupid money arrow is supposed to be on? I can tell you the reason he left and it wasnt due to coin. That is pure rubbish about him playing well being down to luck, its so wide off the mark its laughable.
If you want to talk about un-tested roll the clock back a few years - $240k for tevita as an untried nrl player fits your criteria. But that purchase looks cheap now. Hindight is a wonderful thing!!!
Im not saying that wayne letting arrow go was a bad move, just how footy is these days - some people see things differently as far as talent or development in a player goes.

"500k for a starting qld prop" sounds like a bargain, but it's actually more indicative of Queenslands lack of forward talent then the extrodinary talent of Wallace. Not saying he isn't a good player, but I doubt he will make the top 30 props to ever pull on a Queensland jersey. The irony is however that an extended run in the representative arena often leads to a better player, but Wallace better hope there isn't talented props coming through and we keep winning every series because let's be honest, he'd be one of the first to go if those things happened.

 

[Reyter]

Who's everyone? Paul Kent, m johns, rothfield? Where do you get your inside knowledge from? I'm guessing it's from the media, the very people who have a glaringly obvious agenda against Bennett.

It's funny that the people involved in the club at the time aren't part of that "everyone" group you speak of. Paul crawleys brother was the nsw cup coach at the time, Buderus or m gidley have never to my knowledge stated it had anything to do with Bennett. Kent and rothfield have been waiting for an area they can target Bennett on after all these years, and m johns is bitter because he left early (tinkled not paying players and staff MAY have influenced his decision to leave i reckon, don't you?)

Someone had a go at me one time on here for saying that people who don't agree with me I supposedly just think they all get their ideas from the media rather then forming their own opinion. Wrong, I think people are too heavily influenced by the media when they ignore the FACTS (eg squad numbers of players under Bennett still there, setting up development camps, no back ended deals signed whilst Bennett was there, the knights best result in 10 years) and straight away regurgitate the crap/OPINIONS being said by the agenda driven media.

Let me give you a lesson in evidence.... FACTS always outweigh OPINION. That's the reason Kent got his ass handed to him on this very topic by Paul Crawley on nrl 360 just 2 weeks ago, he had no facts to back up his bullshit, Crawley (on bennetts side) did. If you provide me with FACTS to back up your claim I would happily debate you, otherwise there's no point...

I'll wait.....

Thanks for telling me that. I would have been in a rush to reply to you otherwise. Now I know and can take my time and do it whenever it suits me. A massive relief. Thanks again:wave:.

 

[badyon]

Looking forward to the tumbleweeds blowing through this fucking thread.

 

[lynx000]

Looking forward to the tumbleweeds blowing through this fucking thread.

I look forward to you posting the same fucking thing when we have a win. Once again, if you think all is sunshine and lollipops after that performance tonight, good on you. The reality is that it was as clunky as anything and we were lucky to win. Papering over the cracks appears to be your specialty, hats off to you sir.

 

[ZTop]

I look forward to you posting the same fucking thing when we have a win. Once again, if you think all is sunshine and lollipops after that performance tonight, good on you. The reality is that it was as clunky as anything and we were lucky to win. Papering over the cracks appears to be your specialty, hats off to you sir.

oii oii oii, calm down. Just be happy that we won. I understand that everyone emotions are stirred up after the win but we need to be thankful for the fact that the broncos won and not losing it at each other..
Sorry

 

[bb_gun]

I look forward to you posting the same fucking thing when we have a win. Once again, if you think all is sunshine and lollipops after that performance tonight, good on you. The reality is that it was as clunky as anything and we were lucky to win. Papering over the cracks appears to be your specialty, hats off to you sir.

You're papering over the fact that we were without Macca, away from home and the Rabbitohs just came off 2 straight wins...

...hats off to you sir.

 

[lynx000]

You're papering over the fact that we were without Macca, away from home and the Rabbitohs just came off 2 straight wins...

...hats off to you sir.

No, I am not papering over anything. Every side will have injuries at some point, it is a fact of life in football that has to be dealt with. I am more interested in how we got ourselves into a position that we do not have a credible back up hooker, no halfback and absolutely no structure to our play. We won, fantastic, I am pleased, but it was a win based on individual brilliance again, not through great team play. Once again, the only thing consistent about this side is our inconsistency.

But, I will not let my concerns about how the side is playing ruin everyone's sunshine and lollipop moments for a week.

 

[Jason Simmons]

You're papering over the fact that we were without Macca, away from home and the Rabbitohs just came off 2 straight wins...

...hats off to you sir.

And Gillett and Kahu. And Lodge and McGuire were off injured / rested...

 

[bb_gun]

No, I am not papering over anything. Every side will have injuries at some point, it is a fact of life in football that has to be dealt with. I am more interested in how we got ourselves into a position that we do not have a credible back up hooker, no halfback and absolutely no structure to our play. We won, fantastic, I am pleased, but it was a win based on individual brilliance again, not through great team play. Once again, the only thing consistent about this side is our inconsistency.

But, I will not let my concerns about how the side is playing ruin everyone's sunshine and lollipop moments for a week.

Cool.

 

[Battler]

Do you think wallace is worth the 500k he is on a year now? Makes good business sense to me to pay a bloke 500k who is a starting qld prop. It may have seemed like a gamble at the time but obviously someone at the titans seen more in wallace than what the broncos did. No harm no foul.
Can you advise how much stupid money arrow is supposed to be on? I can tell you the reason he left and it wasnt due to coin. That is pure rubbish about him playing well being down to luck, its so wide off the mark its laughable.
If you want to talk about un-tested roll the clock back a few years - $240k for tevita as an untried nrl player fits your criteria. But that purchase looks cheap now. Hindight is a wonderful thing!!!
Im not saying that wayne letting arrow go was a bad move, just how footy is these days - some people see things differently as far as talent or development in a player goes.

He's not worth 500k if it costs us TPJ and/or Lodge and/or Haas. I rate all of those players above him in terms of their ceiling. TPJ and Haas are obviously freaks of nature, and I'm glad we have them, same deal with Fifita. Wallace was a case of could be great but could be another bog average prop like Dodds. The Titans got lucky that it was the former. I bet you if Offa left us for another club that offered him a start and double his current salary he'd be producing the same or better numbers than Wallace: it doesn't make him worth anymore than what he's being paid.

Arrow is a different case as he's clearly a talented player, but again, who cares? TPJ is above him talent wise and we have Carrigan coming through who is rated higher than him, as well as the Aus lock on the books, so reserve judgement for 1-2 years time. The Tits can pay him stupid money, which is what he got for a guy who has played SFA games despite what you say about him wanting better opportunities (which is what I'm assuming you're implying). If he hypothetically left the Broncos to play for the Titans on the same money then I don't want him here anyway.

The Titans will still finish comfortably below us with the genius talents of Taylor, Wallace, and Arrow on board for however long they can keep paying them more than their market value. For the reference, I would take Wallace back on a reasonable salary if we were to lose Lodge, and it's quite funny that the Tits are desperate to pay out the ass for a guy who has gone public saying that he desperately wants to play for a rival club.

 

[007]

Organisation is getting better.

Halves combo is getting better...

Kodi looked good in hooker for the short term.

Fix our discipline and we will be a top 4 team for the short term. Macca V kodi, macca has the wood on him in defence long term.

 

[Mr Fourex]

No, I am not papering over anything. Every side will have injuries at some point, it is a fact of life in football that has to be dealt with. I am more interested in how we got ourselves into a position that we do not have a credible back up hooker, no halfback and absolutely no structure to our play. We won, fantastic, I am pleased, but it was a win based on individual brilliance again, not through great team play. Once again, the only thing consistent about this side is our inconsistency.

I definitely think we are on the improve. Our mistake rate is still killing us, but when we hold the ball and complete our sets, we are starting to look like serious competitors. Playing inconsistent and winning is better than being consistent and losing. Some of our players are just starting to get their confidence back.......

But, I will not let my concerns about how the side is playing ruin everyone's sunshine and lollipop moments for a week.

Too late....you already have. You complete bastard.