What is happening at the Broncos?

[Reyter]

Wrong.

Ok. Everyone above security guards and ticket gate attendants who is employed within the industry except Wayne himself.

 

[Cult]

Nothing Bellamy did in the years they were cheating the salary cap should count. Shit, until they wash their hands of every player and coach involved in those years, nothing counts. They all need a big asterisk next to their names for life.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Ok. Everyone above security guards and ticket gate attendants who is employed within the industry except Wayne himself.

I'm just trying to work out whether you're Buzz or Kent. The failed attempt at humour and lack of facts behind your assertions doesn't help to pick it...

 

[Reyter]

Paul Crawley continues to swim against the tide of offal.

I didn't read it thoroughly (I'm at work now. Too many graphics which could give away that I'm not working:) but from what I could see of several scans, there was nothing about what he did at Newcastle and the state the club was in (regarding the salary cap and roster) when he left.

 

[pagey]

I didn't read it thoroughly (I'm at work now. Too many graphics which could give away that I'm not working:) but from what I could see of several scans, there was nothing about what he did at Newcastle and the state the club was in (regarding the salary cap and roster) when he left.

Nothing has been mentioned of the deals tinkler managed on his own or anything about the other management for that matter.
Do you think a club is run by the coach???
Did bellamy cop any responsibility for the cap cheating or their poor junior system.
Instead of following the rest of the sheep maybe you should stop and think about it ....

 

[broncos4life]

I'm just trying to work out whether you're Buzz or Kent. The failed attempt at humour and lack of facts behind your assertions doesn't help to pick it...

I'm going with Buzz, because for all of Kent's failings he is actually pretty witty when he wants to be.

 

[WASSHHH]

Paul Crawley continues to swim against the tide of offal.

Good article and good to see someone going against the grain of the normal tripe served up.
He certainly has earnt the right to be treated with respect, no one can question that.
That said, I expect some to disagree with what I’m about to say. But in life, no one is exempt from warranted critique.

Objectively; win percentages mean very little in the end, just like player stats.
Ultimately, the success of sporting teams (players, coaches etc.) is measured on how many trophies they win.
If I coach Origin and win 1/3, 1/3 and then 3/3, I have a win percentage of 55.55% but only 33.33% series wins.
Clearly, 55.55% sounds much better than 33.33%, which really wouldn’t be considered successful.

The fact Bennett hasn’t won a premiership since 2010 says a lot.
If you’re truly honest, with the team we had, the Broncos really could have won more premierships in the 90’s and should have in the early 2000’s.
To be there or thereabouts every year he’s coached the Broncos, but to not convert more of those into true success, says just as much as a win percentage in the mid 60’s.
No, you cannot win them all, but we should have won more - like 2015.
We put the cue in the rack and failed to win a game we had won with 10 to go.

This is not a witch-hunt, and none of this takes away from a great and very successful coaching resume. But the Broncos haven’t tasted true success since Bennett has been back. He has entirely remodelled the roster how he wants it (and barring a few, it is a roster most other coaches would take in an instant), has the staff he wants and is the head coach (with more control over the club than any other coach would have) - so the results are as much on him, if not more, than they are on the players.

 

[Reyter]

Nothing has been mentioned of the deals tinkler managed on his own or anything about the other management for that matter.
Do you think a club is run by the coach???
Did bellamy cop any responsibility for the cap cheating or their poor junior system.
Instead of following the rest of the sheep maybe you should stop and think about it ....

Bennett was hired to make the team successful. As was Bellamy at Melbourne (but I'm still extremely doubtful he had no idea what was going on insofar as salary cap cheating). So does the article say anything about his performance at Newcastle and the state he left the team in?

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Bennett was hired to make the team successful. As was Bellamy at Melbourne (but I'm still extremely doubtful he had no idea what was going on insofar as salary cap cheating). So does the article say anything about his performance at Newcastle and the state he left the team in?

The article had nothing to do with his time at Newcastle. Crawley's last one did, though.

 

[john1420]

Any talk of "look at the state he left the Dragons in" is moronic at best

He wasn't hired to leave them in a good state, he was hired to win the comp

And he did

 

[Reyter]

The article had nothing to do with his time at Newcastle. Crawley's last one did, though.

Exactly. I only criticized what he did at Newcastle. Nothing more.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Exactly. I only criticized what he did at Newcastle. Nothing more.

Exactly. And that's what you were called out on.

 

[Reyter]

Exactly. And that's what you were called out on.

And cited an article as if to prove my basic point wrong which in fact contained nothing even related to my basic point.

 

[Foordy]

Paul Crawley continues to swim against the tide of offal.

this man is my new hero

 

[M.B.88]

Good article and good to see someone going against the grain of the normal tripe served up.
He certainly has earnt the right to be treated with respect, no one can question that.
That said, I expect some to disagree with what I’m about to say. But in life, no one is exempt from warranted critique.

Objectively; win percentages mean very little in the end, just like player stats.
Ultimately, the success of sporting teams (players, coaches etc.) is measured on how many trophies they win.
If I coach Origin and win 1/3, 1/3 and then 3/3, I have a win percentage of 55.55% but only 33.33% series wins.
Clearly, 55.55% sounds much better than 33.33%, which really wouldn’t be considered successful.

The fact Bennett hasn’t won a premiership since 2010 says a lot.
If you’re truly honest, with the team we had, the Broncos really could have won more premierships in the 90’s and should have in the early 2000’s.
To be there or thereabouts every year he’s coached the Broncos, but to not convert more of those into true success, says just as much as a win percentage in the mid 60’s.
No, you cannot win them all, but we should have won more - like 2015.
We put the cue in the rack and failed to win a game we had won with 10 to go.

This is not a witch-hunt, and none of this takes away from a great and very successful coaching resume. But the Broncos haven’t tasted true success since Bennett has been back. He has entirely remodelled the roster how he wants it (and barring a few, it is a roster most other coaches would take in an instant), has the staff he wants and is the head coach (with more control over the club than any other coach would have) - so the results are as much on him, if not more, than they are on the players.

What a crock of shit that post was.

 

[M.B.88]

I didn't read it thoroughly (I'm at work now. Too many graphics which could give away that I'm not working:) but from what I could see of several scans, there was nothing about what he did at Newcastle and the state the club was in (regarding the salary cap and roster) when he left.

If you didn't read it. Don't comment on it.

 

[WASSHHH]

What a crock of shit that post was.

Such a constructive response - it really adds a lot to the conversation...

 

[ivanhungryjak]

And cited an article as if to prove my basic point wrong which in fact contained nothing even related to my basic point.

I put an article up because I just saw it on line. It had nothing to do with trying to prove you wrong. I would have quoted you if that were the case.