NEWS Why Haas Rejected 6m Offer

[Foordy]

You clearly don't understand the process of renegotiating a contract. But that's not surprising for a bloke still trying to figure out what the button does on a flush toilet.

sometimes I can't fathom how stupid you are ...

under your thought process the second any club starts negotiating with one of it's players that player then becomes a free agent ... you know on second thoughts, i love it, DD should immediately get on the phone to Harry Grant and start by offering him Haas' million dollars ... unfortunately it doesn't work like that

 

[broncos4life]

The complication in that is the Broncos want to rip up that contract and replace it with a new, longer one. Which effectively puts him on the market, albeit in an opportunity cost kind of way.

That is a bald faced lie. The Broncos want to extend his current contract not tear it up.

 

[Morkel]

You clearly don't understand the process of renegotiating a contract. But that's not surprising for a bloke still trying to figure out what the button does on a flush toilet.

Your knowledge of NRL contract law is, dare I say it, on par with that of a gutter journalist. Players can extend or upgrade their contract at any time, but can't sign with a new club until (I think) the November of the year before their last.

Any "upgrade" would be agreed and signed to in order to over-ride the previous contract.

Or do you think that Payne's team will say "do up a new contract", which they do, then says "now release me from this one so I can sign the new one", which they do, at which point a secret door springs open with Nasser, SBW and Politis behind it who yell "PSYCHE" and they run away giggling with Haas, who is now a free agent.

Actually that is the exact type of scenario Wein(dl)er would be fixzing over in his tiny mind.

 

[broncos4life]

You clearly don't understand the process of renegotiating a contract. But that's not surprising for a bloke still trying to figure out what the button does on a flush toilet.

It’s not a renegotiation it is an extension.

 

[nopatience101]

Honestly, I don't know what all the parties are up to - and don't quote me on this - but my recollection was that the deal being shoveled through the board involved a whole new contract, meaning the old one would effectively be "ripped up."

So Payne would still need to get an idea of his market value before accepting this new deal. He'd still need to ask those same questions of other clubs. And he'd need to do this before accepting the Broncos offer. As in he'd need to know now. In other words, he would have to put himself "on the market" even though he's not yet ready for sale.

Bear in mind, the club is pushing this urgency, not Payne. Meanwhile, his agent is rubbing his hands together waiting for the payday.

There's also the question of what implication severing his ties with Orr had on his current Broncos contract. I haven't seen an answer either way on that. Only reams of speculation.

The whole point of extending is to prevent him going on open market, which is why the club is keen to do it.

 

[McHunt]

sometimes I can't fathom how stupid you are ...

under your thought process the second any club starts negotiating with one of it's players that player then becomes a free agent ... you know on second thoughts, i love it, DD should immediately get on the phone to Harry Grant and start by offering him Haas' million dollars ... unfortunately it doesn't work like that

I never said he was a "free agent." You imagined that.

It’s not a renegotiation it is an extension.

It's not an extension. It's a new contract that overrides the payment terms of the existing one.

Your knowledge of NRL contract law is, dare I say it, on par with that of a gutter journalist. Players can extend or upgrade their contract at any time, but can't sign with a new club until (I think) the November of the year before their last.

Any "upgrade" would be agreed and signed to in order to over-ride the previous contract.

Or do you think that Payne's team will say "do up a new contract", which they do, then says "now release me from this one so I can sign the new one", which they do, at which point a secret door springs open with Nasser, SBW and Politis behind it who yell "PSYCHE" and they run away giggling with Haas, who is now a free agent.

Actually that is the exact type of scenario Wein(dl)er would be fixzing over in his tiny mind.

Thanks for the job reference.

I never said he can sign with a new club. But of course, before "upgrading" his new contract, he would see what other clubs would offer him. He is not free to join those clubs if he refuses the new contract during his existing tenure, but he could join them during the proposed extension period.

And this is exactly what is happening.

But you're forgetting he's been in court contesting the conditions under which he signed his contract. We're assuming his contract is still valid. There have been questions raised. Do you have those answers?

Plus, if Payne is unhappy at the club - and there's no suggestion of that - he could apply for a release and another club might buy out his contract. Or the club could take the hit and not play him. In either case, he could talk to another club about money.

The essence being if the club is talking about "upgrading" or "extending" his existing contract they are effectively "ripping" the old one up and supplanting it with an entirely new one. Before Payne signs that he will want to know his options.

 

[McHunt]

The whole point of extending is to prevent him going on open market, which is why the club is keen to do it.

Yes, that's the restraint the club would like to place, but is it what Payne wants? Is it in his best interest not to ask another club what they would pay him if he were to switch at the end of his contract?

 

[broncos4life]

I never said he was a "free agent." You imagined that.


It's not an extension. It's a new contract that overrides the payment terms of the existing one.


Thanks for the job reference.

I never said he can sign with a new club. But of course, before "upgrading" his new contract, he would see what other clubs would offer him. He is not free to join those clubs if he refuses the new contract during his existing tenure, but he could join them during the proposed extension period.

And this is exactly what is happening.

But you're forgetting he's been in court contesting the conditions under which he signed his contract. We're assuming his contract is still valid. There have been questions raised. Do you have those answers?

Plus, if Payne is unhappy at the club - and there's no suggestion of that - he could apply for a release and another club might buy out his contract. Or the club could take the hit and not play him. In either case, he could talk to another club about money.

The essence being if the club is talking about "upgrading" or "extending" his existing contract they are effectively "ripping" the old one up and supplanting it with an entirely new one. Before Payne signs that he will want to know his options.

What are you basing it not being an extension on? Give me a source because literally the only place I have read that it isn't an extension is your posts.

 

[McHunt]

What are you basing it not being an extension on? Give me a source because literally the only place I have read that it isn't an extension is your posts.

You need to lurk moar. What do you think "upgrade" means?

 

[theshed]

I never said he was a "free agent." You imagined that.


It's not an extension. It's a new contract that overrides the payment terms of the existing one.


Thanks for the job reference.

I never said he can sign with a new club. But of course, before "upgrading" his new contract, he would see what other clubs would offer him. He is not free to join those clubs if he refuses the new contract during his existing tenure, but he could join them during the proposed extension period.

And this is exactly what is happening.

But you're forgetting he's been in court contesting the conditions under which he signed his contract. We're assuming his contract is still valid. There have been questions raised. Do you have those answers?

Plus, if Payne is unhappy at the club - and there's no suggestion of that - he could apply for a release and another club might buy out his contract. Or the club could take the hit and not play him. In either case, he could talk to another club about money.

The essence being if the club is talking about "upgrading" or "extending" his existing contract they are effectively "ripping" the old one up and supplanting it with an entirely new one. Before Payne signs that he will want to know his options.

I thought your point was pretty straight forward and a good perspective I hadn’t considered. Not sure why you got such harsh responses.

It makes perfect sense. Why would Haas sign an extension or upgrade beyond his current duration without first looking into how much other clubs would pay him after the current contract is over.

 

[McHunt]

I thought your point was pretty straight forward and a good perspective I hadn’t considered. Not sure why you got such harsh responses.

It makes perfect sense. Why would Haas sign an extension or upgrade beyond his current duration without first looking into how much other clubs would pay him after the current contract is over.

Thanks. There seems to be some kind of naive picture that Payne's turning up at clubhouses hat in hand. It's not working that way.

For starters, these player agents talk to clubs every day about their respective rosters, what they have to spend and what they need to fill. It's an ongoing negotiation.

And then you have blaring examples, like the Head of Football at Canterbury, Phil Gould, going on TV with his joking price, starting the bargaining process in public. Holy November in March, Batman.

 

[theshed]

Thanks. There seems to be some kind of naive picture that Payne's turning up at clubhouses hat in hand. It's not working that way.

For starters, these player agents talk to clubs every day about their respective rosters, what they have to spend and what they need to fill. It's an ongoing negotiation.

And then you have blaring examples, like the Head of Football at Canterbury, Phil Gould, going on TV with his joking price, starting the bargaining process in public.

What was the Gould thing?

 

[McHunt]

What was the Gould thing?

Same thing happened with Fifita, but he was formally coming off contract.

Let the auction begin:

Haas' worth questioned amid contract twist

Legend's query on Broncos gun's true motivation

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[theshed]

Same thing happened with Fifita, but he was formally coming off contract.

Let the auction begin:

Haas' worth questioned amid contract twist

Legend's query on Broncos gun's true motivation

wwos.nine.com.au

I actually agree with Gould and if those reported numbers are correct I think we are paying Haas basically exactly what he’s worth. $850k a season is top tier prop money.

 

[Galah]

He’s not worth a million, he’s just not.

 

[Galah]

he’s close to if not already, the second highest paid middle forward in the game at three years into his career. This is rubbish (if true) from his side.

 

[Donald Garner]

I’m confident we don’t budge. With Ikin and Donaghy at the helm I think we are in a much stronger position then past years. He is still signed until the the end of 2024? I wouldn’t be upgrading him at all. By the end of 2024 he might be on the decline anyway. The guy is a beast but we shouldn’t be held to ransom.
The cowboys with JT and the Titans
with Fifita are perfect examples of why you don’t pay forwards over 1mil a year.
That money should be reserved for a 1,6,7 or 9.

I don’t see why people are worried. Unless there is some weird clause in his contract we don’t know about then as far as I can see the club has pocket aces and poor haas has 2 & 7 off suit.

 

[Wolfie]

I don't think they will void his contract when he goes to court. It's more likely his previous management will have to compensate him financially.