NEWS Why Haas Rejected 6m Offer

[Xzei]

 

[McHunt]

Not sure if anyone of you remember Tevita Pangai Jr:

“People don’t understand once Payne develops that pass, and that offload, he’ll be one of the greats I reckon. In his first few years in the NRL, I think he has been that running-type forward. But he’s been working on this a lot … once he adds that offload to his game, a pass and makes himself an all round player, I think he will be worth over a million dollars."​

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“That’s the key for him, to keep developing his passing, his offload and he’ll be worth a lot more so I think he is worth a million dollars.”​

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“The thing is, when you sign million-dollar players, they have to have the work ethic to keep going after signing the deal. He certainly does. He doesn’t get comfortable, I don’t see him getting comfortable about money."​

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“With what he brings on the training field and during the week and in the game, you know you are guaranteed 40 tackles and 20 hit-ups every game. I have seen that he has a good work ethic.”​

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“I think the thing with Payne is, you know what you’re going to get every week. I rate him as top three props or forwards in the game. It has been hard for him to showcase more of his talent in the last couple of years because it has been tough up there. But you know, they [Brisbane] are building a good team and he’ll showcase more of his talent and what he can do.”​

McHunt

 

[broncos4life]

Yes, if his management misled him into signing a contract the contract could be voided, but if the issue is solely about the timing and the commission, not the nature or terms of the football contract, you would think it shouldn't be impacted.

I notice the prevailing media opinion is turning against the notion of him being a "million dollar man:"

‘Doesn’t command $1m a year’: The reality Haas must accept after ‘falling in love with the headline’

‘Falling in love with the headline’: Broncos issued big warning as Haas handed $1m reality check

www.foxsports.com.au

No one's questioning his ranking as a prop, but I think if wants to raise his value to a team, he needs to go to the next level and score tries. That's the only justification for paying David Fifita so much. He doesn't put in a fraction of the workload of Payne, but his uncanny knack of finding the line justifies his pay packet.

That said, like Milford, Fifita and Bird, Payne might only get one big contract, and this is likely to be it. He needs to strike when the hype is hottest.

What? Of course it wouldn’t be voided based on actions of his agent. If his agent did the wrong thing it has nothing to do with the club or the contract they entered in to.

 

[broncos4life]

I hate to say it, because i love him as a player, but i think the club might even be better off cutting him loose.
The whole reason we won the spoon is because the club changed into an organization that pandered to player demands and overpaid players who were not worth their value.
This set a culture in motion that led to the club being filled with entitled young men who placed a far higher importance on themselves and their value, than the value of the club and playing for the Broncos.
This led us directly to the wooden spoon.

Instead of fixing that issue, we tried to employ intelligent coaches (Seibold) to skirt around the issue to keep our high paid stars.
This is slowly being fixed with the introduction of Ikin and Donuts and as is evident they have started getting rid of the entitled players who thought they were bigger than the club. (TPJ, Lodge, Milford etc).

The effect keeping someone like this around the playing group cant be good either, as any stars of the side will be influenced by Haas and by proxy his cronies from the Roosters filling his head with promises of a better life and payday in Sydney.

This all started as rumor a week ago and has evolved rapidly into what a lot us were worried about.
I think the only way we get this club back to a consistent top 4 side, is through keeping players that genuinely want to be here, and know that the club will look after them and repay their loyalty in the long run.

I could be completely wrong but i don't think one player, who seems to keep wanting more and more from the club, is good for anyone involved and will bring disharmony to the team with its drama.

I’m happy to let him go as long as we get something in return, I am completely off him.

Anyone who thinks he isn’t doing the wrong thing imagine your bosses reaction if at you annual review you negotiated a pay increase then a month later you went back to your boss and said I need more money because I undervalued myself and repeated every month.

 

[Kimlo]

I’m happy to let him go as long as we get something in return, I am completely off him.

Anyone who thinks he isn’t doing the wrong thing imagine your bosses reaction if at you annual review you negotiated a pay increase then a month later you went back to your boss and said I need more money because I undervalued myself and repeated every month.

And then imagine your boss has sacked, not re-signed or moved on basically all your colleagues within a 4 year period (only Oates remains from round 1 2018 team), going so far as to (in Lodge and Pangai's case) release constant negative stories about certain players in the media to force their hand to move on early and create a toxic work environment where your boss got sacked for a new shiny coach behind his back, then the new boss who had a 6 year deal got sacked and had to renegotiate a reduced payout, and then the new guy is basically told we can only commit to you one month at a time in future, because we seriously have no faith in you.

Oh btw, sign a 6 year extension please.

Footy is a dirty business. Players have every right to negotiate as often as they want, as long as they put in 100% every week, I don't care and I won't judge them for it.

 

[WASSHHH]

Not sure if anyone of you remember Tevita Pangai Jr:

“People don’t understand once Payne develops that pass, and that offload, he’ll be one of the greats I reckon. In his first few years in the NRL, I think he has been that running-type forward. But he’s been working on this a lot … once he adds that offload to his game, a pass and makes himself an all round player, I think he will be worth over a million dollars."​

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“That’s the key for him, to keep developing his passing, his offload and he’ll be worth a lot more so I think he is worth a million dollars.”​

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“The thing is, when you sign million-dollar players, they have to have the work ethic to keep going after signing the deal. He certainly does. He doesn’t get comfortable, I don’t see him getting comfortable about money."​

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“With what he brings on the training field and during the week and in the game, you know you are guaranteed 40 tackles and 20 hit-ups every game. I have seen that he has a good work ethic.”​

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“I think the thing with Payne is, you know what you’re going to get every week. I rate him as top three props or forwards in the game. It has been hard for him to showcase more of his talent in the last couple of years because it has been tough up there. But you know, they [Brisbane] are building a good team and he’ll showcase more of his talent and what he can do.”​

McHunt

So to clarify, does TPJ think Haas needs to develop a pass and an offload before he’s worth a million dollars, but once he does develop a pass and an offload, and because he’s already got the work ethic and consistency you need to be a million dollar player, he’ll be worth a million dollars?

 

[McHunt]

What? Of course it wouldn’t be voided based on actions of his agent. If his agent did the wrong thing it has nothing to do with the club or the contract they entered in to.

That's not true. If the agent misrepresented the contract to Payne, and he could prove that, then he could force action to have it rescinded. He might win. He might not win. It would depend on the misrepresentation and how it came that Payne was misled.

In order to have a contract, both parties must believe they are agreeing to the same thing. A meeting of minds, so to speak.

I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm merely presenting a hypothetical that challenges your assertion. Nothing more. You don't need to tell me this didn't happen.

 

[Xzei]

That's not true. If the agent misrepresented the contract to Payne, and he could prove that, then he could force action to have it rescinded. He might win. He might not win. It would depend on the misrepresentation and how it came that Payne was misled.

In order to have a contract, both parties must believe they are agreeing to the same thing. A meeting of minds, so to speak.

I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm merely presenting a hypothetical that challenges your assertion. Nothing more. You don't need to tell me this didn't happen.

would have to misrepresent the money we were offering to impact us you would think

 

[McHunt]

So to clarify, does TPJ think Haas needs to develop a pass and an offload before he’s worth a million dollars, but once he does develop a pass and an offload, and because he’s already got the work ethic and consistency you need to be a million dollar player, he’ll be worth a million dollars?

He's saying much the same as many of us - and Gould. He would add value if he contributed more in attack, especially in a way that led to tries. He's starting to offload more but it hasn't been part of his natural game. It's a bit unclear whether he's saying we should pay him a million now because that offload is coming any day now, or whether he'll be worth a million when he's an habitual offloader like TPJ.

 

[McHunt]

would have to misrepresent the money we were offering to impact us you would think

I'm sure our resident attorney lynx000 can think of some ways his agent might mislead him into signing something. I'll leave it as a pure hypothetical.

But what I said about the club almost certainly being aware that Payne signed at a time that was disadvantageous to himself stands. I'm sure he's asked why no one from the club told him to hold back a couple of days when he submitted his signature. Doesn't make his contract invalid, but it must niggle him.

 

[Aldo]

He's saying much the same as many of us - and Gould. He would add value if he contributed more in attack, especially in a way that led to tries. He's starting to offload more but it hasn't been part of his natural game. It's a bit unclear whether he's saying we should pay him a million now because that offload is coming any day now, or whether he'll be worth a million when he's an habitual offloader like TPJ.

I'd say he's got to work more on his defence to start commanding top dollar. He makes most of his tackles but he basically has no presence in defence whatsoever. Fifita is very similar. They're scary with ball in hand but wouldn't knock a pea off a chop with their defence.

 

[Xzei]

I'm sure our resident attorney lynx000 can think of some ways his agent might mislead him into signing something. I'll leave it as a pure hypothetical.

But what I said about the club almost certainly being aware that Payne signed at a time that was disadvantageous to himself stands. I'm sure he's asked why no one from the club told him to hold back a couple of days when he submitted his signature. Doesn't make his contract invalid, but it must niggle him.

is it the clubs responsibility to know the ins and outs of payne and his agents contract?
would be a conflict of interest you would think if we were saying who he should be represented by and the details of the contract with his agent.

 

[WASSHHH]

He's saying much the same as many of us - and Gould. He would add value if he contributed more in attack, especially in a way that led to tries. He's starting to offload more but it hasn't been part of his natural game. It's a bit unclear whether he's saying we should pay him a million now because that offload is coming any day now, or whether he'll be worth a million when he's an habitual offloader like TPJ.

I was just being stupid, as always.

TPJ said the same thing about 4 times. Must have concussion.

 

[McHunt]

is it the clubs responsibility to know the ins and outs of payne and his agents contract?
would be a conflict of interest you would think if we were saying who he should be represented by and the details of the contract with his agent.

All excellent questions. I'm not prepared to say any more without my lawyer lynx000 present.

 

[Xzei]

All excellent questions. I'm not prepared to say any more without my lawyer lynx000 present.

 

[lynx000]

That's not true. If the agent misrepresented the contract to Payne, and he could prove that, then he could force action to have it rescinded. He might win. He might not win. It would depend on the misrepresentation and how it came that Payne was misled.

In order to have a contract, both parties must believe they are agreeing to the same thing. A meeting of minds, so to speak.

I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm merely presenting a hypothetical that challenges your assertion. Nothing more. You don't need to tell me this didn't happen.

Once again, two separate contracts here.

If the misrepresentation came from the Broncos in relation to the NRL playing contract, yes you are correct. Depending on the nature of the misrepresentation he may be able to challege the contract.

If the misrepresentation came from the agent, the agent is acting on behalf of Haas. It would give him a right of action against the agent but in my view it would not enable him to avoid a contract he signed with an innocent third party.

I asked you earlier for your source or sources for this information that you are relying on, you did not provide it. If it is the article by Rothfield, forget it, he would not know which direction his ass was pointing.

 

[lynx000]

The only thing that we have heard from Haas' side of things is that they believe that he is worth more.

The Bronocs have upgraded him and are willing apparently to upgrade him again and extend his contract.

if there was in fact anything to McHunt's theory that something else had occurred to put him offside with the Broncos, the way that the NRL and the NRL media operates I would expect that it would have leaked by now. I do not believe that there is any substance to this thought bubble.

If he is testing the waters and getting told by the potential suitors that he is not worth a million, it can only play in our favour if it is just about the money.

If it is about winning comps, being in a successful team, then it is up to us to create that successful environment that he won't be enticed to leave.

 

[broncos4life]

I'm sure our resident attorney lynx000 can think of some ways his agent might mislead him into signing something. I'll leave it as a pure hypothetical.

But what I said about the club almost certainly being aware that Payne signed at a time that was disadvantageous to himself stands. I'm sure he's asked why no one from the club told him to hold back a couple of days when he submitted his signature. Doesn't make his contract invalid, but it must niggle him.

How would the club know the specifics of his contract with his agent? And why would that be their business?