NEWS Why Haas Rejected 6m Offer

[McHunt]

Once again, two separate contracts here.

If the misrepresentation came from the Broncos in relation to the NRL playing contract, yes you are correct. Depending on the nature of the misrepresentation he may be able to challege the contract.

If the misrepresentation came from the agent, the agent is acting on behalf of Haas. It would give him a right of action against the agent but in my view it would not enable him to avoid a contract he signed with an innocent third party.

I asked you earlier for your source or sources for this information that you are relying on, you did not provide it. If it is the article by Rothfield, forget it, he would not know which direction his ass was pointing.

I've read and heard a ton of stuff over the last year on Payne's contract, and posted quite a bit here. There has been ongoing questions over whether his proceedings could impact his contract with the Broncos. I'm not relying on one journalist for information, because no journalist appears to know.

As a pure hypothetical, if an agent gets you to sign a contract that's not what you think you're signing, I'm pretty sure you're not bound to that contract, over and above your grievances with said agent. I'm not saying that's what's happened but that could happen, right?

if there was in fact anything to McHunt's theory that something else had occurred to put him offside with the Broncos, the way that the NRL and the NRL media operates I would expect that it would have leaked by now. I do not believe that there is any substance to this thought bubble.

I don't have a theory that something else HAS occurred, I merely raised a hypothetical that IF something else has occurred it might lead to a different outcome. I'm raising it to cover all scenarios, rather than presume it's not in play.

For what it's worth, I think you're probably right in your assumptions that we would've heard more by now if his existing contract is threatened.

 

[McHunt]

How would the club know the specifics of his contract with his agent? And why would that be their business?

It was an NRL ruling that would apply to all their signings. This is what the entire thread is about.

 

[lynx000]

I've read and heard a ton of stuff over the last year on Payne's contract, and posted quite a bit here. There has been ongoing questions over whether his proceedings could impact his contract with the Broncos. I'm not relying on one journalist for information, because no journalist appears to know.

As a pure hypothetical, if an agent gets you to sign a contract that's not what you think you're signing, I'm pretty sure you're not bound to that contract, over and above your grievances with said agent. I'm not saying that's what's happened but that could happen, right?



I don't have a theory that something else HAS occurred, I merely raised a hypothetical that IF something else has occurred it might lead to a different outcome. I'm raising it to cover all scenarios, rather than presume it's not in play.

For what it's worth, I think you're probably right in your assumptions that we would've heard more by now if his existing contract is threatened.

We keep going round in circles.

The issue relates to the agency contract and has nothing to do with the Broncos contract.


The 21-year-old was reportedly asked to sign a six-year deal with the management one day before the NRL’s player agent scheme was brought in, in 2018.

Under the scheme there is no maximum term for contracts between players and agents, however players can terminate an agreement after two years so long as they provide three months notice to the player agent.

The Herald reports Haas was not made aware of the incoming scheme when he signed his deal with the management under the old rules, which lock him in for the entirety of the six-year contract.

The only thing he has done re the Broncos is given them a request to stop sending commission payments.

There is simply no evidence of there being anything untoward about the Broncos contract other than someone now being in Haas' ear telling him he is worth more. That provides no basis for the Broncos contract being voided.

 

[abashii]

But there is one elephant in the room that's lurking large, and that is, why the Broncos didn't warn Payne that it wasn't in his best interest to sign when he did, given that they too would've known he'd have been better off waiting?

It's not appropriate for the Broncos to be giving formal advice to Payne regarding his management contract. They aren't a party to that contract and unless Payne were to advise them why would they even have been aware he was extending with Orr let alone advising him on it? There's (to my non-legal professional eyes) a potential for conflict of interest were the club to advise Payne on his management.

There has been ongoing questions over whether his proceedings could impact his contract with the Broncos. I'm not relying on one journalist for information, because no journalist appears to know.

There have been auestions from journos, whose only interest in the matter is filling column inches and getting clicks. Nobody with any legal qualifications has made comment in the media as far as I can see. And why would they? The terror or fox sports aren't going to spring for a silk just to tell them their speculation is all nonsense.

 

[McHunt]

We keep going round in circles.

The issue relates to the agency contract and has nothing to do with the Broncos contract.


The 21-year-old was reportedly asked to sign a six-year deal with the management one day before the NRL’s player agent scheme was brought in, in 2018.

Under the scheme there is no maximum term for contracts between players and agents, however players can terminate an agreement after two years so long as they provide three months notice to the player agent.

The Herald reports Haas was not made aware of the incoming scheme when he signed his deal with the management under the old rules, which lock him in for the entirety of the six-year contract.

The only thing he has done re the Broncos is given them a request to stop sending commission payments.

There is simply no evidence of there being anything untoward about the Broncos contract other than someone now being in Haas' ear telling him he is worth more. That provides no basis for the Broncos contract being voided.

Good stuff. You should post more.

 

[McHunt]

It's not appropriate for the Broncos to be giving formal advice to Payne regarding his management contract. They aren't a party to that contract and unless Payne were to advise them why would they even have been aware he was extending with Orr let alone advising him on it? There's (to my non-legal professional eyes) a potential for conflict of interest were the club to advise Payne on his management.

There have been auestions from journos, whose only interest in the matter is filling column inches and getting clicks. Nobody with any legal qualifications has made comment in the media as far as I can see. And why would they? The terror or fox sports aren't going to spring for a silk just to tell them their speculation is all nonsense.

That's not really a fair assessment of journalism. I know it's fashionable to make cynical remarks like this but it's a gross generalization. A summary of what's been said is more along the lines of we have to wait and see.

 

[Sproj]

That's not really a fair assessment of journalism. I know it's fashionable to make cynical remarks like this but it's a gross generalization. A summary of what's been said is more along the lines of we have to wait and see.

That is absolutely a fair assessment of NRL journalism.

 

[I bleed Maroon]

This place can be way too pessimistic even for me sometimes. The bloke isn't off contract until the end of 2024 and you're all already convinced he's got one foot out the door lol I don't give a shit how much smoke the media want to blow up his ass to try and screw us over. A lot can change in 2 full years.

Personally if Kev, Ikin or Donuts had any sense about them, they would be getting in his ear right now and telling him "mate, you're going to be one of the greatest forwards ever, no one can deny that, but a front rower will never be worth 1 million a year, ever." If Phil Gould who is now operating a club that has been a bottom dweller for god knows how long is telling you that, what do you think the top clubs are gonna say?

 

[lynx000]

Good stuff. You should post more.

No, I don't want to get over 15K posts, because I will then be part of the problem.

I actually try to not post that much as you can see from my post count given the amount of time I have been on here.

 

[lynx000]

This place can be way too pessimistic even for me sometimes. The bloke isn't off contract until the end of 2024 and you're all already convinced he's got one foot out the door lol I don't give a shit how much smoke the media want to blow up his ass to try and screw us over. A lot can change in 2 full years.

Personally if Kev, Ikin or Donuts had any sense about them, they would be getting in his ear right now and telling him "mate, you're going to be one of the greatest forwards ever, no one can deny that, but a front rower will never be worth 1 million a year, ever." If Phil Gould who is now operating a club that has been a bottom dweller for god knows how long is telling you that, what do you think the top clubs are gonna say?

You know what the big problem is, it is the bloody Titans and that absolutely ludicrous contract that they made with Fifita.

 

[McHunt]

That is absolutely a fair assessment of NRL journalism.

I look forward to you setting the record straight.

 

[McHunt]

You know what the big problem is, it is the bloody Titans and that absolutely ludicrous contract that they made with Fifita.

You know what the big problem is, it is the bloody Broncos and that absolutely ludicrous contract that they made with MIlford.

 

[lynx000]

You know what the big problem is, it is the bloody Broncos and that absolutely ludicrous contract that they made with MIlford.

Yes, also a valid point. But given that Milford was in the spine and supposed to be our new version of Lockyer, there is greater justification for that contract than what the Titans did with Dave.

Like us, they are not getting an appropriate return on what they are paying.

 

[abashii]

That's not really a fair assessment of journalism. I know it's fashionable to make cynical remarks like this but it's a gross generalization. A summary of what's been said is more along the lines of we have to wait and see.

Why is that an overly cynical assessment, and which bit of my post would you disagree with? By continually saying "well maybe the case will void Payne's contract with the club, nobody knows" they can continue to milk the story for all it's worth. A layman can see the two contracts are separate, the Broncos aren't a party to the case, and our own expert advice indicates it's pretty bloody unlikely his club contracr will be impacted. The wait and see position really isn't supported by any meaningful advice or expert opinions from everything I've seen. I'm not saying our journalists are absolutely unreliable scumbags for doing this, in their position I wouldn't be seeking out sources that kill my story either. It doesn't mean the opinions of Rothfield et al are worth a pinch of shit though.

 

[McHunt]

Why is that an overly cynical assessment, and which bit of my post would you disagree with? By continually saying "well maybe the case will void Payne's contract with the club, nobody knows" they can continue to milk the story for all it's worth. A layman can see the two contracts are separate, the Broncos aren't a party to the case, and our own expert advice indicates it's pretty bloody unlikely his club contracr will be impacted. The wait and see position really isn't supported by any meaningful advice or expert opinions from everything I've seen. I'm not saying our journalists are absolutely unreliable scumbags for doing this, in their position I wouldn't be seeking out sources that kill my story either. It doesn't mean the opinions of Rothfield et al are worth a pinch of shit though.

It's a developing story.

 

[lynx000]

It's a developing story.

Developing barnacles and cobwebs??

 

[McHunt]

It's not appropriate for the Broncos to be giving formal advice to Payne regarding his management contract. They aren't a party to that contract and unless Payne were to advise them why would they even have been aware he was extending with Orr let alone advising him on it? There's (to my non-legal professional eyes) a potential for conflict of interest were the club to advise Payne on his management.

Just on this bit: I can tell you most publishers have negative opinions of agents, and have no qualms about telling their artists to get rid of them. I imagine it's much the same in sport.

 

[bert_lifts]

You know what the big problem is, it is the bloody Titans and that absolutely ludicrous contract that they made with Fifita.

That's why they'll never be a top team. You can't afford to spend that amount of cash on forwards and maintain a top level spine at the same time. It's just not possible. Look at any of the other top teams, they don't do it. Only exception to this rule is the Rorters of course. Unfortunately at the end of Payne's contract we will probably have to let him go.