NEWS Why Haas Rejected 6m Offer

[Kimlo]

All he needs to do is come out on Twitter or whatever and say it’s a load of rubbish, none of this is true and everyone is back behind him. I suspect he can’t though.

Like Coates/Dearden?

 

[Midean]

Like Coates/Dearden?

Good point, that might actually be what convinces me he is gone haha.

 

[Johnny92]

The Broncos are driving the contract talks three years out forcing Payne to address his future now. Payne's management need to do due diligence in advising him whether the Broncos deal is the best he can get. They can only do that by feeling out the market. That's without even getting into the conspiracy theory behind the agent's network, which isn't to ignore it.

Could be he has put the Broncos contract on hold not rejected it and his management has gone look well ask around see what you would get elsewhere to see if this is a good deal before he commits to it.
There are alot of factors saying this circus is going to end badly but if could be a he wants to stay loyal he's just making sure the money's right.

 

[lynx000]

Could be he has put the Broncos contract on hold not rejected it and his management has gone look well ask around see what you would get elsewhere to see if this is a good deal before he commits to it.
There are alot of factors saying this circus is going to end badly but if could be a he wants to stay loyal he's just making sure the money's right.

Which is his right to do and it is only sensible that his agent does so. McHunt's point about this is right and on the money.

 

[McHunt]

I have checked the QLD and NSW court registries and no court action has been filed by Haas against the Broncos.

Can I ask you for your sources for the contrary view that the contract with the Broncos is at risk because of these court proceedings?

I don't have a contrary view, but I too have read what's been reported, and there was mention that the outcome of the trial against the agent could have knock-on implications. A first phase, if you like. In which case, there would be no action against the Broncos because that would be premature.

It is possible then that if Payne is succesful in challenging the agent contract, it could have implications on the club contract and that no court action against the Broncos is therefore not proof that Payne may have grounds for rescinding it?

I understand that the first issue seems to be only about the agent's commission. We don't need to rehash that.

 

[lynx000]

I don't have a contrary view, but I too have read what's been reported, and there was mention that the outcome of the trial against the agent could have knock-on implications. A first phase, if you like. In which case, there would be no action against the Broncos because that would be premature.

It is possible then that if Payne is succesful in challenging the agent contract, it could have implications on the club contract and that no court action against the Broncos is therefore not proof that Payne may have grounds for rescinding it?

If he were doing that, it should all be in the one action.

He wants shot of Orr and he does not want to pay him the commission owed under the agreement. If he is successful, that is going to put a fair bit of coin back in his pocket.

Unless there has been something dodgy done by the Broncos in the negotation or execution of the contract (eg James Roberts & the Titans), in my view they are fairly safe from a legal challenge to the Broncos contract.

As I have said previously, that does not meant that Haas does not try to get out of it and if not released cracks the sads and becomes a toxic influence on the playing group.

 

[Morkel]

The club could be seen as either panicking about losing him or wanting to reward him for being pretty much the only player deserving of being a Bronco. Either way, they're asking Payne to take a punt on whether the price the Broncos are putting on his head in three years is better or worse than what it would be if he were to keep his options open.

Don't lose sight that the Broncos are driving this urgency, and that it's about their best interests, not necessarily Payne's. Perhaps Payne would like to have his future locked up so it's something he doesn't need to worry about. But his financial manager must do his own sums, otherwise he's not doing his job.

Are the Broncos "driving this urgency"? I know they offered an extension but it doesn't sound like there is an urgency on their side of things. What is true is that the speculation has hit fever pitch at the same time that Haas is going to court with his manager. And it's been categorically stated that the matter in court has no bearing on Haas' contract with the Broncos. So either:
* The journalists driving this have no idea how NRL contracts work and are ramping up the fever pitch to get clicks. Or,
* Haas' new besties are agitating behind the scenes to make things as uncomfortable as possible between the Broncos and Haas (eg, "If they don't upgrade him to a million dollars a year for the years he is already under contract, he will make things difficult), in order to drive a wedge between them and lure to Sombrero Town.

Either of which is somewhere between fucking annoying and absolutely shameful. So it's understandable Broncos fans are not happy and being vocal about it.

 

[McHunt]

If he were doing that, it should all be in the one action.

He wants shot of Orr and he does not want to pay him the commission owed under the agreement. If he is successful, that is going to put a fair bit of coin back in his pocket.

Unless there has been something dodgy done by the Broncos in the negotation or execution of the contract (eg James Roberts & the Titans), in my view they are fairly safe from a legal challenge to the Broncos contract.

As I have said previously, that does not meant that Haas does not try to get out of it and if not released cracks the sads and becomes a toxic influence on the playing group.

I guess the seam I'm mining here is within the ice that's under the water. I would not expect to see a court case between Payne and the Broncos, not while he's playing for us. If there is a question about the original contract between them I would expect this to be negotiated away from prying eyes and manifest itself in the form of an "upgrade" and "extended" offer, with the understanding he can suss out his worth elsewhere to confirm it's fair value.

This lines up precisely with what we're seeing.

I'm not alleging the Broncos have done anything untoward, that Payne was misled in understanding what he was signing or that he would have legal grounds to rescind the contract. But there is one elephant in the room that's lurking large, and that is, why the Broncos didn't warn Payne that it wasn't in his best interest to sign when he did, given that they too would've known he'd have been better off waiting?

I'm not saying Payne would or should take this to court, but he'd be entitled to call them a pack of ***** at the very least. Of course, we don't know what was said between any of these parties, and indeed whether Payne might've been told this at the time and ignored it.

 

[McHunt]

Are the Broncos "driving this urgency"? I know they offered an extension but it doesn't sound like there is an urgency on their side of things. What is true is that the speculation has hit fever pitch at the same time that Haas is going to court with his manager. And it's been categorically stated that the matter in court has no bearing on Haas' contract with the Broncos. So either:
* The journalists driving this have no idea how NRL contracts work and are ramping up the fever pitch to get clicks. Or,
* Haas' new besties are agitating behind the scenes to make things as uncomfortable as possible between the Broncos and Haas (eg, "If they don't upgrade him to a million dollars a year for the years he is already under contract, he will make things difficult), in order to drive a wedge between them and lure to Sombrero Town.

Either of which is somewhere between fucking annoying and absolutely shameful. So it's understandable Broncos fans are not happy and being vocal about it.

Yes. Payne has three years to go on his contract. There is no real urgency, but they tried to lock him in at the end of last season and made all kinds of noise in the press about it as if it was something that needed to be sorted pronto.

It started around here, and then escalated with board approval:

Brisbane board reportedly concerned over mammoth deal for Haas

Reports suggested Brisbane were on the verge of offering Haas the biggest deal in Broncos' history.

www.zerotackle.com

 

[Sproj]

Like Coates/Dearden?

No, like DCE.

Besides, Coates was actually similar to Haas now, he was open about how much he wanted to work with someone from another club.

 

[BroncsFan]

Who the **** shops their client around three years in advance? No one, that's who.

For sure they are looking for an early release.

A new manager that has promised his client the world

 

[WASSHHH]

One thing I find interesting in all of this.

SBW, Mundine, Nasser and whoever else only seem to try and sink their claws into well established, superstar players.

Funny how you don’t see them out there championing the cause of some no-name kid, enlightening him along the way.

Makes you wonder why that is.

 

[BroncsFan]

Lets say that you get players like Coates and Haas who are apparently willing to go to winning clubs for more of a chance to win premierships (and we know this isn't accurate either as they are getting benefits elsewhere), how do struggling clubs battle this? They cannot offer the culture or potential for upward trajectory which leads to less sponsorships and they will never be able to recover. We are different because our off-field idiots screwed the club up over 1-2 decades, it is own fault. But for clubs like the Tigers, how do they compete when whatever kids they do have coming through just go elsewhere?

I've thought about it before as well i.e. how do shit clubs rise up the ladder if they're constantly getting picked off... and the only real answer is improving the situation for the playing squad to make it a team they want to play for.

There are examples of teams that have risen up from the bottom
- Knights after 3x back to back wooden spoons jumped up to top 8 status on the back of taking a risk with Ponga. That subsequently landed them Pearce and Klemmer, and they also went out and grabbed a promising coach from a good system in O'Brien. They now live around that top 8 area, but it's on them to keep rising.

- Titans have somewhat made the jump to relevancy on the back of picking off Fifi and Tino, possibly knowing that they had a group of juniors coming through who were all spine players (Sexton, Brimson, Campbell and Bryant).

- Panthers over time have come up from the bottom on the back of astute senior player recruiting and backing their junior development. It helps that it coincided with having a generational halfback coming through their juniors as well.


There would be a few others from previous years, but I think first and foremost you need a star player that can win you games and make you relevant, as that will bring interest from players to join the team... Tigers had that in Teddy, and Moses to an extent, but they couldn't convince them to stay and they've been in a heap since.

From there coaching needs to show proof that what they are working towards is successful and can make the team competitive.

We are still lacking in the spine, which doesn't make us all that desirable... that kind of suggests that Haas as good as he is, is still only really a support player.

We had a rolled gold spine star in Walsh that could've been the player we build the club around, but they let him slip. Walsh in our current team would be the attacking focal point that we don't currently have.

Our next possible rolled gold spine player looks to be Mozer, but you don't just become CS9 overnight. Game managing from dummy half is a different ball game altogether and there's only been a couple in the history of the NRL to do it. Even Harry as good as he is, is probably not a player that can do it all on his own.

I've left Ezra out, because he looks a running attacking ball player, rather than genuine game manager... so we would still need the guy with a 10/10 kicking game to get us around the field and tell everyone where to be in order to ice the close games.

I'm not sure we have that in the juniors coming through... I hope we go hard to bring Walsh back to Brisbane, because he would bring instant credibility. However I feel he will be one of the priority targets for Redcliffe.

 

[theshed]

I've thought about it before as well i.e. how do shit clubs rise up the ladder if they're constantly getting picked off... and the only real answer is improving the situation for the playing squad to make it a team they want to play for.

There are examples of teams that have risen up from the bottom
- Knights after 3x back to back wooden spoons jumped up to top 8 status on the back of taking a risk with Ponga. That subsequently landed them Pearce and Klemmer, and they also went out and grabbed a promising coach from a good system in O'Brien. They now live around that top 8 area, but it's on them to keep rising.

- Titans have somewhat made the jump to relevancy on the back of picking off Fifi and Tino, possibly knowing that they had a group of juniors coming through who were all spine players (Sexton, Brimson, Campbell and Bryant).

- Panthers over time have come up from the bottom on the back of astute senior player recruiting and backing their junior development. It helps that it coincided with having a generational halfback coming through their juniors as well.


There would be a few others from previous years, but I think first and foremost you need a star player that can win you games and make you relevant, as that will bring interest from players to join the team... Tigers had that in Teddy, and Moses to an extent, but they couldn't convince them to stay and they've been in a heap since.

From there coaching needs to show proof that what they are working towards is successful and can make the team competitive.

We are still lacking in the spine, which doesn't make us all that desirable... that kind of suggests that Haas as good as he is, is still only really a support player.

We had a rolled gold spine star in Walsh that could've been the player we build the club around, but they let him slip. Walsh in our current team would be the attacking focal point that we don't currently have.

Our next possible rolled gold spine player looks to be Mozer, but you don't just become CS9 overnight. Game managing from dummy half is a different ball game altogether and there's only been a couple in the history of the NRL to do it. Even Harry as good as he is, is probably not a player that can do it all on his own.

I've left Ezra out, because he looks a running attacking ball player, rather than genuine game manager... so we would still need the guy with a 10/10 kicking game to get us around the field and tell everyone where to be in order to ice the close games.

I'm not sure we have that in the juniors coming through... I hope we go hard to bring Walsh back to Brisbane, because he would bring instant credibility. However I feel he will be one of the priority targets for Redcliffe.

If you had a spine of Walsh, Mam, and Mozer and let’s pretend they all kick on to be special, you wouldn’t need a superstar halfback - just a smart one. Maybe James could be a late bloomer and fill a role like that.

 

[Locky888]

We're better off letting Haas go at the end of his current contract and use the money on a marquee spine player. As good as Haas is as a forward, Broncos aren't going to win a game based on his presence, he's not a game changer.

 

[McHunt]

One thing I find interesting in all of this.

SBW, Mundine, Nasser and whoever else only seem to try and sink their claws into well established, superstar players.

Funny how you don’t see them out there championing the cause of some no-name kid, enlightening him along the way.

Makes you wonder why that is.

You missed the Muslim convert connection.

 

[Big Pete]

You missed the Muslim convert connection.

Exactly, I'm pretty sure Cory Paterson was involved and while he was a good prospect he wasn't an SBW or Haas.

 

[McHunt]

Exactly, I'm pretty sure Cory Paterson was involved and while he was a good prospect he wasn't an SBW or Haas.

Payne, Sonny Bill, Mundine and Nasser are all Muslims to such an extent that if they were Christians they'd be called bible thumpers. And most probably ridiculed for it. The first three are all new converts, Nasser was president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils.

Conversion to Islam is a curious fashion amongst a certain mindset, particularly inmates who don't identify as white skinned or female. On one hand, embracing Islam seems to have steadied Payne on a righteous path and kept him out of trouble. On the other, it's put him in bed with at least three overbearing fuckwits.