What is happening at the Broncos?

[Porthoz]

No but we don't need to, we got to the GF in 15' without playing that style. All his other premierships weren't that style either , but defence wins premierships right. You musn't have watched 95 , 97 or 98.

Everything came together in 2015 without a doubt, with Walters coaching the Broncos attack, a purple patch at the right time and the extra motivation of sending off a legend of the Broncos with a premiership.
But even then, we definitely still lacked a player able to control the tight games, and had a far superior roster to what we have now.

You're seriously using the footy we played 2 decades ago with a team full of superstars, as your reasoning?
To paraphrase you... you mustn't have watched Bennett coached teams in this millennium.

 

[Kimlo]

St George had the perfect roster for WB's conservative game plan. We don't even come close to that. We don't have an organiser like Hornby, a kicker like Soward, or the defensive steel to bash and grind the opposition into submission like the Dragons had.

They were superior by ensuring the opposition scored less points than them. Other than that, no Bennett team has been consistently superior or a benchmark in the NRL in this millennium. The problem is he doesn't seem to be capable (or willing to) change the plan to suit the players he does have.

Do you think we can pull a Dragons with our roster?

Two minor premierships with St George in a row and a premiership. You can't just discard those two years because it's inconvenient to your argument. That was this
millennium and they were the benchmark.

 

[1910]

You could say any team that has won the premiership anytime in recent history is a "good team". Obviously if they win the premiership you've got a great bunch of players playing to their potential, that's pretty obvious.

Weyman, Young, Costigan, Scott, Creagh, Smith, all utter shit NRL players. What have they done in their careers outside of Bennett? **** all. Horny and Soward can also be thrown in that group.

Gasnier himself has said Bennett was the difference in them winning the premiership because he instilled belief and go the most out of the playing group.

Bellamy has had arguably the greatest spine in the history of the game for 10+ years, you know the guy you respect more than Bennett.

You can’t look holistically at Bennett but then pretend that Bellamy was handed those three.

Three ISC players, club that missed finals two years in a row and sacked two coaches, rookie coach.

 

[Porthoz]

Two minor premierships with St George in a row and a premiership. You can't just discard those two years because it's inconvenient to your argument. That was this
millennium and they were the benchmark.

Yes, because they had the perfect roster for Bennett's game plan. We don't and neither did any Broncos team!
He tried it with Newcastle too, but that went really pear shaped for all kinds of reasons.

Don't let that get in the way of your rant though... :superhappythumbsup:

 

[Kimlo]

You can’t look holistically at Bennett but then pretend that Bellamy was handed those three.

Three ISC players, club that missed finals two years in a row and sacked two coaches, rookie coach.

No that's fair, Bellamy deserves a lot of credit for bringing those players through and helping them reach the levels they did. I don't have any respect for Bellamy due to his long term cheating but no denying on the evidence available, he's a fantastic coach.

 

[Kimlo]

Yes, because they had the perfect roster for Bennett's game plan. We don't!
Don't let that get in the way of your rant though... :superhappythumbsup:

It's a terrible argument though?

So any time a coach does well I could just say it's only because he had the perfect roster for his game plan?
Then you discard 2015 because "purple patch" "retiring legends" "Kevin Walters obviously the reason we had good attack".

There's a clear anti-Bennett agenda there.

He won the premiership in 2010 with two consecutive minor premierships, and was 5 seconds from a premiership in 2015. That's not a coach who doesn't have modern day credentials. Who's ahead of him coaching wise outside of Bellamy in the last 10 years?

 

[1910]

It's a terrible argument though?

So any time a coach does well I could just say it's only because he had the perfect roster for his game plan?
Then you discard 2015 because "purple patch" "retiring legends" "Kevin Walters obviously the reason we had good attack".

There's a clear anti-Bennett agenda there.

He won the premiership in 2010 with two consecutive minor premierships, and was 5 seconds from a premiership in 2015. That's not a coach who doesn't have modern day credentials. Who's ahead of him coaching wise outside of Bellamy in the last 10 years?

They were a conservative team. Bennett calls it 4 and 40 football. Get to the fourth or the 40 and kick. Dragons had halves that suited.

He made them tough and defend. They bought into kick well, defend and out the back for Boyd.

 

[Porthoz]

It's a terrible argument though?

So any time a coach does well I could just say it's only because he had the perfect roster for his game plan?
Then you discard 2015 because "purple patch" "retiring legends" "Kevin Walters obviously the reason we had good attack".

There's a clear anti-Bennett agenda there.

He won the premiership in 2010 with two consecutive minor premierships, and was 5 seconds from a premiership in 2015. That's not a coach who doesn't have modern day credentials. Who's ahead of him coaching wise outside of Bellamy in the last 10 years?

If those coaches only have one tactical plan, yes that is exactly the argument I will use! And yes, Walters is definitely the tactical difference between 2015 and any other Bennett coached team this decade.

As to Bennett, I'm not going to repeat myself. This is purely about his tactics, not the man, not his capacity as a manager, his motivational aura, his ability to attract and retain players, etc... Wanna know what I think about him, read this:
https://broncoshq.com/threads/the-bhq-honesty-session.34519/#post-2932475

Disagree, feel free to argue the points, instead of using the typical anti-Bennett agenda argument from the "Hail Bennett" sycophants.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Not forgetting, of course, that any time you mention the Storm and Bellamy, you’ve got to put that asterisk in there.

 

[Battler]

The way some posters flip out over the slightest criticism of WB is bizarre. Everyone but WB is fair game.



He was a good coach. Given the talent he had to work with for a long time, it's debatable how good he was. IMO he is still better than average but there are signs the game has progressed and he is no longer on top of it.

Does the same apply to Bellamy, who has had the benefit of having Smith his entire career? Add in an illegal squad to inflate his win rate.

 

[Cult]

BHQ is great. Not only is it the one site dedicated to the Broncos, we have also perfected time travel. At least we have the 2015 season to look forward to again

 

[pagey]

In '15, IIRC, and I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, I read that Bennett made a deliberate decision to let Milford in particular, and Hunt, and then both, play they way they wanted to, free of rigid structures, and to run the ball at will, play off each other, get the ball moving, and, at the same time, focus 200% on our defence. The result was a free flowing attack with Milf and Hunt doing some great stuff as a halves pairing, and our defence in '15 was stellar.

Since, as others have observed, Milf has had that freedom taken away from him and given the responsibility of game management (I hate that term), we have been going backwards. It's only in the last few weeks it seems Milf has again been let off the leash again and the results are pretty obvious. His game is a whole lot better.

Personally, I hope Bennett persists with Bird at half and focuses on working on our halves - combinations in particular, and getting Roberts into space with quality ball.

How do you figure that it's been taken away and put back in place ? Surely it couldn't just be that milf hasn't adjusted well and he may just be starting to find his rythem again. People need to understand milf is still young , with no old head to show him the way. As for structures to give roberts space, you can only put so many systems in place then it's all up to the players. As i have said before roberts is so heavily marked you need to mix things up and move away from certain plays , or the opposition will just read it like a book .

 

[Reyter]

You could say any team that has won the premiership anytime in recent history is a "good team". Obviously if they win the premiership you've got a great bunch of players playing to their potential, that's pretty obvious.

Weyman, Young, Costigan, Scott, Creagh, Smith, all utter shit NRL players. What have they done in their careers outside of Bennett? **** all. Horny and Soward can also be thrown in that group.

Gasnier himself has said Bennett was the difference in them winning the premiership because he instilled belief and go the most out of the playing group.

Bellamy has had arguably the greatest spine in the history of the game for 10+ years, you know the guy you respect more than Bennett.

Costigan, Creagh, Young had all played Origin before WB went to the Dragons and Smith was considered one of the best backrowers in the game and was a NZ rep.

If my basic position is wrong, why do you distort what I actually say? As a coach, I respect Bellamy more. Obviously. Or do you think Bennett is a better coach than Bellamy? If so, why stop there? McCullough is better than Smith. Boyd than Slater, Opacic than Chambers and etc etc. I don't know either Bennett or Bellamy personally so in that respect, they have an equal amount of respect. Though as I said previously about hoping Bellamy's ruthlessness as a coach doesn't carry over into his personal life.

 

[Kimlo]

Plenty of average players play origin, doesn't mean anything. All those listed players are nothing special, and never were. Average, to above average first graders, not stars.

And yes, Bennett is undoubtedly a better career coach than Bellamy, he's won more premierships, done it without cheating, won premierships at multiple clubs, won at origin level, and International level with both Australia and helping Kearney take NZ to a world cup win too.

There's no doubt who the better coach is. Bellamy has to prove himself post-Smith/Slater era at the very least, if not going to a different club to have the same credibility.

 

[Kimlo]

If those coaches only have one tactical plan, yes that is exactly the argument I will use! And yes, Walters is definitely the tactical difference between 2015 and any other Bennett coached team this decade.

As to Bennett, I'm not going to repeat myself. This is purely about his tactics, not the man, not his capacity as a manager, his motivational aura, his ability to attract and retain players, etc... Wanna know what I think about him, read this:
https://broncoshq.com/threads/the-bhq-honesty-session.34519/#post-2932475

Disagree, feel free to argue the points, instead of using the typical anti-Bennett agenda argument from the "Hail Bennett" sycophants.

Every coach has a distinct style, who are these coaches that completely switch tactical plans all the time? Hasler? Stuart? Bellamy? Maguire? Cleary? Kearney? Flannagan?

I'm struggling to think of any coaches who don't have a distinct style and play to it. Bennett has and does change his game plan to suit the players, but he still has a distinct style, as any coach has. Just like we've played different styles of footy through the last 15-20 years under him, although following the same basic fundamentals.

An I don't know what you mean about "hail Bennett" agenda, I am literally arguing your points, not you. You wanted to disregard Bennett's time at St George since it's inconvenient to your point of a Bennett team being a benchmark this millennium, I think it's absurd to cut those two years out simply because they inconvenience your point.

He has coached teams to be the benchmark this millennium, you can't say he hasn't and his time at St George doesn't count.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

We are on the same competition points as the storm right now...

"What's happening at the storm?"

"Sack Bellamy"

And so on and so on.....

 

[Super Freak]

We are on the same competition points as the storm right now...

"What's happening at the storm?"

"Sack Bellamy"

And so on and so on.....

Billy Slater needs to go. So many errors against the Dragons.

And what was he thinking batting the ball dead instead of catching it on the full?

 

[Jamin90]

With a lot of the talk of Boyd and his effort at fullback, thought I'd share this Reddit post