Seibold General Discussion

[Big Pete]

There's been plenty of sides that have had worse injury tolls and have managed to be ahead of where Brisbane are currently. Manly are a good example and the Cowboys managed to make a Grand Final without Johnathan Thurston and Mat Scott. I don't think you can use injuries as an excuse when the only long term out is Jack Bird, a player who has yet to settle in at the club.

 

[Xzei]

2016 roosters is an interesting one as far as what can also happen when you are missing a few players.

 

[Kimlo]

I don't think you understand what competitive is.

We turned up from time to time but not when it really mattered.

So by that measure, only the Roosters and Storm are "competitive", actually not the Storm either, they got embarrassed in the grand final.

It just sounds like some people are desperate to defend Seibold, you included. I can accept it takes time, it's "not his roster", and a few other bullshit excuses but implying he was given a basket case is the same thing Newcastle fans did for Nathan Brown and look how that turned out.

That's not me comparing the two as coaches but Seibold has been absolutely and utterly a fail as a coach in the 2019 season. There's time yet, I'm not writing us off but if this time next year we're still a rabble with a high error rate, no structure in attack, paper thin defence, no class in executing a plan, field position pressure, ruck control, kick chases, you know, all the basics a good team does, I'll be screaming for a new coach.

Seibold has 1 more year to turn things around, I'm not expecting a premiership next year but if we're not a marked improvement and a team closer to top 4 than to bottom 4, he can't stick around. He can learn his trade elsewhere, we don't do apprenticeship coaching positions at the Broncos. We're a club with high standards and making the 8 should be the bare minimum, not a huge victory.

If he continues to back Boyd to the detriment of the team, then he's simply not cut out as a coach. You have to make tough decisions some times but we do have a heap of injuries now so he has an excuse (a weak one) for now.

 

[Kimlo]

Put it this way, if you wiped my memory of 2018 and our season was instead, say the Tigers and the rumours were we wanted that guy named Seibold from the Tigers, I'd think it was a joke.

Ultimately he needs to bring an actual coaching style to the club. The Rabbitohs had one of the most fluent attacks last year that was beautiful to watch but with each passing week I'm starting to wonder how much of that was on Cook, Walker and Reynolds rather than the coaching because I've seen absolutely zero improvement to our attack.

 

[Super Freak]

There's been plenty of sides that have had worse injury tolls and have managed to be ahead of where Brisbane are currently. Manly are a good example and the Cowboys managed to make a Grand Final without Johnathan Thurston and Mat Scott. I don't think you can use injuries as an excuse when the only long term out is Jack Bird, a player who has yet to settle in at the club.

Manly this year? If so, not exactly a worst injury toll.. And even when they were suffering the worst of their injuries, they weren't exactly winning games. Less than 50% by my count.

Cowboys were a complete rabble when they lost both of them, winning 6 from 17 games and made it in the finals due to results. They went on a bit of run when they weren't suffering injuries anymore. That was one of the rare ones. You get those every now and then.

But yeah, you can use injuries as an excuse especially with such a young and inexperienced side. The constant chopping and changing when you're losing key players. If anyone actually expected us to be doing better than what we are, they are naive.

Seibold has to field some of the blame. But to put it all on him? No, that's fucking absurd.

 

[Super Freak]

It just sounds like some people are desperate to defend Seibold, you included. I can accept it takes time, it's "not his roster", and a few other bullshit excuses but implying he was given a basket case is the same thing Newcastle fans did for Nathan Brown and look how that turned out.

I said they weren't competitive.

A basket case? No. But they weren't competitive. They were very inconsistent and couldn't deliver when it mattered. Competitive would be making the top 4 each year and not making up the numbers in the finals.

2015 we were competitive. But not so much the following years..

A basket case would be a bottom of the table team.

The "excuses" are probably frustrating, I know. Kind of like the excuses people were making for Bennett when we were failing.

 

[Big Pete]

Manly this year? If so, not exactly a worst injury toll.. And even when they were suffering the worst of their injuries, they weren't exactly winning games. Less than 50% by my count.

Cowboys were a complete rabble when they lost both of them, winning 6 from 17 games and made it in the finals due to results. They went on a bit of run when they weren't suffering injuries anymore. That was one of the rare ones. You get those every now and then.

But yeah, you can use injuries as an excuse especially with such a young and inexperienced side. The constant chopping and changing when you're losing key players. If anyone actually expected us to do well, they are naive.

Seibold has to field some of the blame. But to put it all on him? No, that's fucking absurd.

I'm not advocating for injuries, I'm just pointing out that those teams have had to contend with similar if not worse injury tolls and still managed to play better footy than the Broncos.

The issue facing the Broncos isn't the absence of Jack Bird or Thomas Dearden. The issue is that they're simply not playing well as a team.

I agree that it isn't entirely Seibold's problem, but it is his responsibility to resolve the issues in the team. If he can't do it in the next year, that will be the end of his coaching career in the club and potentially in the game.

I just wanted to say that broncosgoat's post was out of line. He took the low road, but since you posed an interesting question I wanted to give an answer and keep the conversation going. I just don't want to give anyone the impression that I was condoning his behaviour.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Wayne Bennett didn't make the finals in his first two years as coach with a side containing the likes of Greg Conescu, Greg Dowling, Michael Hancock, Chris Johns, Joe Kilroy, Allan Langer, Wally Lewis, Gene Miles, Kerrod Walters and more.

Sometimes it takes time to build a competitive side. Seibold was not brought here to tweak things.

Wayne Bennett missed the finals in 1988 and again in 1991, not his first two years. However in both of those years he finished 7th out of 16 teams with records of 14-8 and 13-9 respectively. I don't think the comparison holds up.

 

[Porthoz]

There's been plenty of sides that have had worse injury tolls and have managed to be ahead of where Brisbane are currently. Manly are a good example and the Cowboys managed to make a Grand Final without Johnathan Thurston and Mat Scott. I don't think you can use injuries as an excuse when the only long term out is Jack Bird, a player who has yet to settle in at the club.

What a gigantic load of bullshit.
It's not how long injuries are, but how disruptive they are, that counts. We've had nothing but injury and instability issues with the most important area of the team: the spine.
Besides, Cowboys and Manly had important people missing out, but had a very experienced team on the park otherwise. We're missing a capable half after most have dropped like flies, have our most promising hooker playing halfback, a clueless 5/8 who also happens to be our captain, and to top it off, one of the youngest and most inexperienced teams in the comp.

People complaining about lack of cohesion, game plan, clunky attack, etc... either clearly think this is possible with such disruption, or have an ulterior agenda... which one are you?

 

[Accept]

A lot more than just that finals game...

A bit of trivia for you. Name me a side that's had the injury toll we've had this year, including the suspensions, and actually did well.

Souths, Manly, the Roosters haven't had their preferred spine for all but two games this year. Canberra have had key injuries. Penrith have been savaged by injuries but will make the playoffs. The Bronco injury/suspension toll has been relatively light and is just a smoke screen for a much bigger problem. You keep trying though.

 

[broncsgoat]

Yeah I didn't think you could answer that. Not surprising.

It had nothing to do with not being able to answer the question. Posters acting like no other team has ever faced an injury toll or a tough draw are kidding themselves. Last year we went 6/8 against top 4 teams and were 1 win behind the minor premiers, what are we this year? If that’s not competitive maybe I really don’t know what competitive means.

 

[Jedhead]

What a gigantic load of bullshit.
It's not how long injuries are, but how disruptive they are, that counts. We've had nothing but injury and instability issues with the most important area of the team: the spine.
Besides, Cowboys and Manly had important people missing out, but had a very experienced team on the park otherwise. We're missing a capable half after most have dropped like flies, have our most promising hooker playing halfback, a clueless 5/8 who also happens to be our captain, and to top it off, one of the youngest and most inexperienced teams in the comp.

People complaining about lack of cohesion, game plan, clunky attack, etc... either clearly think this is possible with such disruption, or have an ulterior agenda... which one are you?

I'm neither as these two scenarios do not explain the inordinate amount of dropped balls, ill discipline and unexplainable dumb actions and reactions to unfolding play by the experienced and inexperienced alike.

These frailties come down to the coaching staff and I mean this in a plural sense. Making Lodge better by coaching out his dumb penalties, making TPJ better by coaching out his blind off-loads that go nowhere, making Milf more dynamic by coaching the need to kick both bombs and long raking kicks, coaching Turps on how to control his aggression after the tackle is made to avoid dumb penalties, coaching Shiba in the art of ball collection, retention, and security are all coaching matters and I'm not seeing much progress in these areas at the moment.

Our response against the Cows to getting lapped in defence by the Strom was obvious and the coaching staff should take credit for this, but having to wait until after we get totally flogged by the Strom before concentrating on our defensive frailties is a dead set sign of reactive coaching and signals a team that is way behind in coaching structures. Furthermore, reactive coaching in any sport results in mid-table mediocrity which quite frankly sucks and has no place in the mindset of the whole Broncos setup.

Don't get me wrong I think Siebs may well turnout to be a great coach one day, but the size of this club and the demands of its supporter base dictates that his learning curve has to be substantially steeper if he wishes to remain head coach beyond 2020.

After twenty odd rounds it is now becoming apparent that he needs better coaching lieutenants supporting him. He also needs to organise more coaching clinics for both attack and defensive drills ASAP.

 

[Dazza 92]

If not Siebold then who...who would be available next season if we want to move on..??

I said before in the back of my mind im losing faith in Siebolds method but there are in fact numerous reasons (excuses?) for what we have witnessed this year...thus I continue to support him....

I will say this, I have watched this game for close to 30 years....not once....ONCE...have I ever seen a club make a decision to move their captain so they can HIDE him in a actual NRL game...

That is beyond reprehensible..... I dont care if he is the captain you cannot handicap the rest of the team by having a Q-cup level 5/8th play NRL every week.....simply astonishing situation.....

 

[broncsgoat]

Our response against the Cows to getting lapped in defence by the Strom was obvious and the coaching staff should take credit for this, but having to wait until after we get totally flogged by the Strom before concentrating on our defensive frailties is a dead set sign of reactive coaching and signals a team that is way behind in coaching structures. Furthermore, reactive coaching in any sport results in mid-table mediocrity which quite frankly sucks and has no place in the mindset of the whole Broncos setup.

Our response to getting lapped by the storm was to dish up 80 minutes of the worst football I have ever seen. I have heard it called the worst win people have ever seen by multiple sources, the two points really masks how fucking ordinary we were, we were just fortunate to be playing the cowboys.

 

[Jedhead]

Our response to getting lapped by the storm was to dish up 80 minutes of the worst football I have ever seen. I have heard it called the worst win people have ever seen by multiple sources, the two points really masks how fucking ordinary we were, we were just fortunate to be playing the cowboys.

It was probably the worst game of footy I have witnessed in thirty years, but they still conceded zero, nada, zilch, nichts - 0 line breaks and a collective total of only five missed tackles. I'm a strong advocate of acknowledging positive achievements no matter how small they may seem.
If you wish to simply reflect on all things negative - fill yer boots mate!

 

[Dazza 92]

Cowboys couldn't really be fucked though....we gave them their first try....they didnt earn it...

They make me think of Titans and their "down tools" moment to get rid of Brennan....I think they are doing the same now to piss off Green.....and rightly so.....that club hasn't moved on since 2015....

There is nothing to take out of this game for us.....nothing.....

 

[broncsgoat]

It was probably the worst game of footy I have witnessed in thirty years, but they still conceded zero, nada, zilch, nichts - 0 line breaks and a collective total of only five missed tackles. I'm a strong advocate of acknowledging positive achievements no matter how small they may seem.
If you wish to simply reflect on all things negative - fill yer boots mate!

I’m not against positivity, but I’m not a big fan of grasping at straws either. That’s great we didn’t concede any line breaks but we were playing a feeble cowboys team who couldn’t hold onto the footy, and only won due to some dubious decisioning (for once we were on the right side).

 

[tommy]

Have said before if we can get rid of Boyd and Macca by the start of next year it should be considered a major success. If they are still being picked 6 rounds into next season then I will have lost faith. And yes, Seibold was left some duds by our previous coach, particularly the captain and fullback who seemed unwilling to attempt tackles until he started being phased out.