NEWS Badel: Seibold won't send Darius to QLD Cup

[Big Pete]

I'm not sure the effort of the other 2 was any better BP.

Lodge's effort was better because at least he made an attempt. He was too slow covering the inside, but that's understandable given it was towards the end of his stint and would have been one of the more active players on the field.

However I don't think their failure absolves Boyd of any responsibility.

 

[Big Pete]

And it comes back to the fact that if it is the view of the coaching staff that Boyd is making mistakes, does not have the agility or has lost confidence, and this continues over a number of games, it is incumbent upon them to address it and if he does not improve. to drop him. Not just him, but anyone in the squad that is going through a slump.

That's the challenge for this season, last year the coaching staff had their hands well and truly tied.

 

[Cult]

Ironically enough, if you want to try and defend Darius ‘There is more to life than football’ Boyd, you claiming he was trying during those multiple failed attempts paints him in a worse light. Because if he wasn’t trying, it would at least explain the absolute abomination we all were witnessing on multiple occasions.

I’m not claiming he wasn’t trying but If that’s Boyd ‘trying’ then there is no other way to explain it but say he is past it and is losing touch with the modern game. Yeah these things happen some of you are saying, but when it was happening consistently every few weeks which has coincided with his massive dive in form since 2018, then of course he is going to be heavily criticised. He is also our most experience player and is one of our highest paid who was also our captain for 2019.

If you can’t work out yet why he is the one copping it all the time then you are beyond reason.

I also hope the claims that ‘Boyd was probably shocked that an opposition player broke the line so easily’ as your theory is satire because **** me I don’t think I have ever read anything more ridiculous on this forum.

You think trying and failing by not being good enough is worse than intentionally giving up? That’s basically match fixing. Also you’re just repeating what others have said. Nothing new at all. Were you not shocked that the opposition broke through our defensive line so easily? Because I was both shocked and embarrassed, then embarrassed again at Boyd’s attempts.

 

[Cult]

Boyd is just copping it right now, because it would have been nice of him to retire. We all understand him not doing it.

Believe me Boyd fans, Seinbold will be the one copping it loud and clear if Darius is stinking it up and still getting picked. I don't know if decent is even enough - he had better be outstanding. Otherwise there are better options to go with and Seibold will be booed until our throats are sore!

When you say Boyd fans who are you talking to?

 

[Wolfie]

It's easier to forgive guys who are making 25-30 tackles a game in the middle for dropping off a few here or there. When you're being called on to make just a handful and you're missing them so badly, it's much less easy to forgive.

It is easier to forgive those blokes, but I still don't think it's deliberate from Boyd. I've been saying it all year, I think he just doesn't have the physical capability he used to have, and I think psychologically something is playing on his mind that makes him second guess what he is doing. Decisions he used to make in a split second he now doesn't and he ends up like a rabbit in the headlights. Once that happens, it's an issue because everything wrong you do looks very bad.
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Lodge's effort was better because at least he made an attempt. He was too slow covering the inside, but that's understandable given it was towards the end of his stint and would have been one of the more active players on the field.

However I don't think their failure absolves Boyd of any responsibility.

I don't think it absolves him either. But like i said in my reply to you, i think if he was genuinley not giving his best, the team would have turned on him by now.

 

[Big Pete]

I don't think it absolves him either. But like i ssid in my reply to you, i think if he was genuinley not giving his best, the team would have turned on him by now.

Yeah I'm not disputing that, I just thought it was a sad sight. I believe I said as much after the game.

 

[Cult]

It is easier to forgive those blokes, but I still don't think it's deliberate from Boyd. I've been saying it all year, I think he just doesn't have the physical capability he used to have, and I think psychologically something is playing on his mind that makes him second guess what he is doing. Decisions he used to make in a split second he now doesn't and he ends up like a rabbit in the headlights. Once that happens, it's an issue because everything wrong you do looks very bad.
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I don't think it absolves him either. But like i ssid in my reply to you, i think if he was genuinley not giving his best, the team would have turned on him by now.

Exactly this. If they were non-efforts his team would have turned on him. Where is the other bloke who let someone score on him intentionally playing these days? Boyd’s just lucky he didn’t bet on it I guess. The effort was poor but there were still efforts.

 

[lynx000]

That's the challenge for this season, last year the coaching staff had their hands well and truly tied.

Hi BP, is that an opinion or something you know, because it would certainly explain a number of things that I found perplexing this year if you are correct?

 

[holdzy]

When you say Boyd fans who are you talking to?

Boyd fans, oxymoron eh? I guess the people that keep saying Seibold is to blame for picking him. Whoever wants him to do well as opposed to just leave.

 

[Locky’s Left Boot]

You think trying and failing by not being good enough is worse than intentionally giving up? That’s basically match fixing. Also you’re just repeating what others have said. Nothing new at all. Were you not shocked that the opposition broke through our defensive line so easily? Because I was both shocked and embarrassed, then embarrassed again at Boyd’s attempts.

Well I watched all 25 of our games this season and if there was any consistency to our play in 2019, is that our defence was complete dog shit week in week out. This was also true about 2018 as well.

Our defense has been on the downward slide for the last couple of years so if you factor in that, along with us fielding a relatively young and inexperienced pack, having players playing out of position, reported fitness levels, change of coach and defensive structures, etc, then it really shouldn’t be a shock that our defence got breached pretty often.
It’s not like we have been rock solid defensively in recent times and we just suddenly decided to lose the plot this season.

Another reason why he seems to be copping it more and more continuously is because of this lack of accountability for what he has produced on the field in recent times and the smug attitude that has accompanied it by both Boyd and Seibold in the media. You had Seibold shaming Luke Keary in the media because he was trying to defend Darius Boyd’s 1 meter gained stat by pointing out that Keary is a top of the line half who made single digit run meters in his game whilst conveniently ignoring all the other stats in Keary’s game to justify Boyd still being picked and not held accountable. Since then it has only intensified the heat on him.

Look for all we know it’s a different story behind the scenes but at the end of the day you can’t blame fans for forming these strong opinions because we can only go on what we saw on the field and what we are being told in the media by the club. At the end of the day Seibold’s head is also on the chopping block if he doesn’t address this in 2020. We already wrote of 18 months hoping Boyd will come good again, fans will not put up with another 24 months of this shit just for sentiment.

 

[Locky’s Left Boot]

Exactly this. If they were non-efforts his team would have turned on him. Where is the other bloke who let someone score on him intentionally playing these days? Boyd’s just lucky he didn’t bet on it I guess. The effort was poor but there were still efforts.

Out of curiosity, what column would you put Bryce Cartwright’s lacklustre effort against the Storm in a double header 2 years back? Reason why I ask is Bryce copped it as bad as Boyd if not worse at the time and a lot of Boyd’s efforts this season were very very Cartwright-esque

Can’t remember who the Storm player was that scored if anyone could help refresh the memory.

 

[PNG Broncos fan88]

Out of curiosity, what column would you put Bryce Cartwright’s lacklustre effort against the Storm in a double header 2 years back? Reason why I ask is Bryce copped it as bad as Boyd if not worse at the time and a lot of Boyd’s efforts this season were very very Cartwright-esque

Can’t remember who the Storm player was that scored if anyone could help refresh the memory.

Jesse Bromwich.
Then it was Cameron McInnes.
Cody Walker plucked two balls right under his nose and did the goanna in the in-goal.
Should I go on.....

 

[Big Pete]

Hi BP, is that an opinion or something you know, because it would certainly explain a number of things that I found perplexing this year if you are correct?

Just an opinion. While we're on the subject, I don't think anything malicious happened behind the scenes. It's clear that Seibold doesn't exactly have the roster he wants, but he's got plenty of talent he's happy to work with.

It's just that old adage that Rome wasn't built in a day. There's only so many changes a coach can make before they have to settle on a 17. I would contend like Henjak, Seibold made too many but some of those changes were made with a long term view. It meant that the Broncos roster was filled with a lot of rookies and a few hangers-on from the Bennett era who clearly weren't in Seibold's plans moving forward (ie Dargan, Fai, Tagataese, Mago). Factor in injuries and other dramas and there just wasn't that production line of talent available like there is at Melbourne.

Back to Darius, when it became apparent that he wasn't going to cut it as a fullback, the Broncos were in the middle of the Origin period and couldn't afford to make anymore changes. The one change that would have made life easy would have been pushing Isaako to fullback and Farnworth on the wing but that couldn't happen for two reasons.

Namely that Isaako was in even worse form than Boyd after being the break out player of the 2018 season. Second, Seibold backed the wrong horse in terms of his backs. Instead of promoting Farnworth initially, he went with Kennar who was out of shape and struggling to make an impact in an otherwise strong Seagulls line-up.

The other option was Niu who wasn't even playing fullback at the time for Souths Logan and wasn't eligible for selection until the last couple of rounds for the season.

It was a mess of a situation, but I don't think Seibold had the free reign a lot of other coaches get to enjoy.

 

[Wolfie]

Out of curiosity, what column would you put Bryce Cartwright’s lacklustre effort against the Storm in a double header 2 years back? Reason why I ask is Bryce copped it as bad as Boyd if not worse at the time and a lot of Boyd’s efforts this season were very very Cartwright-esque

Can’t remember who the Storm player was that scored if anyone could help refresh the memory.

Cartwright got dropped for his effort after the coach had enough of them.

 

[Locky’s Left Boot]

Cartwright got dropped for his effort after the coach had enough of them.

Seibold needs to take a leaf out of Garth’s book

 

[lynx000]

Seibold needs to take a leaf out of Garth’s book

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[007]

Bryce had many more issues going on, including self made choices, that were affecting his performance. Dropping him was best all round for him at the time.

 

[Unbreakable]

I must admit, I'm genuinely stunned there are still people defending Boyd's perceived effort in the 2019 season, but I'm certainly not stunned by the posters who are doing it, seemingly love to be the contrarians on here, even if it's clearly the wrong opinion.

I'm sure I'm not alone in watching most of the NRL games each week, anyone who did would be equally as disgusted with Boyd as I am. If I'm being generous, from memory I think I saw 3-4 moments similar to what Darius dished up across every other game I watched in 2019, in terms of a Fullback being in a 1 on 1 defensive situation and barely even moving or attempting a tackle.

I dunno, but when our captain & fullback is doing that sort of thing twice as much as the rest of the NRL combined, I think we have an effort issue, not an issue with the other 12 players on the field. If anyone else could chime in that watched a lot of NRL this year and offer up how many times you saw someone pull a Darius I'd appreciate it, because I very well may have missed some.