NEWS Badel: Seibold won't send Darius to QLD Cup

[Wolfie]

I must admit, I'm genuinely stunned there are still people defending Boyd's perceived effort in the 2019 season, but I'm certainly not stunned by the posters who are doing it, seemingly love to be the contrarians on here, even if it's clearly the wrong opinion.

I'm sure I'm not alone in watching most of the NRL games each week, anyone who did would be equally as disgusted with Boyd as I am. If I'm being generous, from memory I think I saw 3-4 moments similar to what Darius dished up across every other game I watched in 2019, in terms of a Fullback being in a 1 on 1 defensive situation and barely even moving or attempting a tackle.

I dunno, but when our captain & fullback is doing that sort of thing twice as much as the rest of the NRL combined, I think we have an effort issue, not an issue with the other 12 players on the field. If anyone else could chime in that watched a lot of NRL this year and offer up how many times you saw someone pull a Darius I'd appreciate it, because I very well may have missed some.

So how do you explain him losing zero respect with the playing group if he is giving no effort? I haven't had a single person who can explain that one. In any other work place i've been in where you rely on other people, if one bloke isn't pulling his weight, he is either out of there very quickly or he is pulled into line by his work mates. Thats not happening with Boyd. Like i said before, people on here would know enough about the game to realise letting down your team mates intentionally is about the worst thing you can do in the environment he is in. If he was doing it, he wouldn't get the backing he does.

I still think people are getting his capability to do his job properly mixed up with his effort. No matter what he tries, not matter what he attempts to do, it just isnt working because , in my humble opinion, he is just done as a footballer. Physically he cant handle it anymore despite him being pretty fit, and mentally i think his decision making has become an issue.

It will be interesting to see if some cut him a little slack in 2020 because a fair few say they are harder on him and expect more because he is captain, but next year he wont be, so that reasoning wont be able to be used. From my perspective, if his level of performance is anything like this year, he cant be picked.

 

[BroncsFan]

So how do you explain him losing zero respect with the playing group if he is giving no effort? I haven't had a single person who can explain that one. In any other work place i've been in where you rely on other people, if one bloke isn't pulling his weight, he is either out of there very quickly or he is pulled into line by his work mates. Thats not happening with Boyd. Like i said before, people on here would know enough about the game to realise letting down your team mates intentionally is about the worst thing you can do in the environment he is in. If he was doing it, he wouldn't get the backing he does.

I still think people are getting his capability to do his job properly mixed up with his effort. No matter what he tries, not matter what he attempts to do, it just isnt working because , in my humble opinion, he is just done as a footballer. Physically he cant handle it anymore despite him being pretty fit, and mentally i think his decision making has become an issue.

It will be interesting to see if some cut him a little slack in 2020 because a fair few say they are harder on him and expect more because he is captain, but next year he wont be, so that reasoning wont be able to be used. From my perspective, if his level of performance is anything like this year, he cant be picked.

I agree... I don't believe he hasn't been trying, but the issue is if this is him at his current 100% then he is totally done as a footballer.

I think if Darius came out and said he will retire at the end of 2020 then pretty much everyone on here will be relieved and will cut him some slack.

I think most people's concerns are that he's past it as a player and potentially blocking a pathway for young guys coming through and he's sucking up precious cash in the salary cap... until he announces his retirement there will be concerns and anger that it could continue for another 2 years.

If he announces his retirement the 15 game trigger will be gone, the cash will be back and a fresh face knows they will have an opportunity in 2021.

 

[Wolfie]

I agree... I don't believe he hasn't been trying, but the issue is if this is him at his current 100% then he is totally done as a footballer.

I think if Darius came out and said he will retire at the end of 2020 then pretty much everyone on here will be relieved and will cut him some slack.

I think most people's concerns are that he's past it as a player and potentially blocking a pathway for young guys coming through and he's sucking up precious cash in the salary cap... until he announces his retirement there will be concerns and anger that it could continue for another 2 years.

If he announces his retirement the 15 game trigger will be gone, the cash will be back and a fresh face knows they will have an opportunity in 2021.

I know its been said before, but if pretty much everyone can see he is done, why cant Seibold and why does he still keep picking him. I dont think he is forced to, i do believe its his choice. As long as the coach is backing him and selecting him and he meets all of the targets in training he is set, he probably doesnt think he is as bad as he is. He could well need dropping back to ISC to realise where he stands.

 

[Big Pete]

I know its been said before, but if pretty much everyone can see he is done, why cant Seibold and why does he still keep picking him.

Because he can't be moved on as easily as Roberts and last year he had his hands tied. Who was he supposed to pick in his place? A grieving winger who was in even worse form than him? To make such a bold move would require somebody who could do a better job and the Broncos didn't have that luxury last season.

 

[BroncsFan]

I know its been said before, but if pretty much everyone can see he is done, why cant Seibold and why does he still keep picking him. I dont think he is forced to, i do believe its his choice. As long as the coach is backing him and selecting him and he meets all of the targets in training he is set, he probably doesnt think he is as bad as he is. He could well need dropping back to ISC to realise where he stands.

To me I think he is just figuring out a way to lessen the media fallout when he does announce it.

I'd say Darius is still an ok voice on the field and having him defend at 6 did appear to improve that edge defensively (given it was our right side that was getting torn up)... I think the only viable option for him is left center, but we have Bird and Staggs.

I think he's not athletic enough to compete with the wingers coming through.

I noticed in the Seibold quotes he mentions that everyone has a chance to put their foot forward (suggesting a "reset" of the squad).

I also noticed that he mentioned Darius has been training at center and will also train on the wing because he's a versatile player... that suggests to me that he's not locked down a spot and may actually be a depth player next year.

To me he's only training at left center to fill in while Bird is rehabbing... if he was locked in to be the number 1 right wing heading into the season you'd think he'd be training there at the moment, instead of filling in for an injured player.

I would be interested to know who has been playing right wing for us at training... seemed like it might be Xavier from an earlier report, but I would love to hear Herbie is out there

 

[Unbreakable]

So how do you explain him losing zero respect with the playing group if he is giving no effort?

How do we know for a fact that he hasn't?.. The occasional quote from a player being specifically asked about Darius or the captaincy and them "supporting him" is vastly different to knowing with 100% certainty that the playing group is fully behind him. How do know the playing group weren't behind his upcoming demotion from captain? They could've went to Seibold and said "we no longer believe in this bloke as a player or leader". Genuinely, how could anyone know?

 

[Wolfie]

How do we know for a fact that he hasn't?.. The occasional quote from a player being specifically asked about Darius or the captaincy and them "supporting him" is vastly different to knowing with 100% certainty that the playing group is fully behind him. How do know the playing group weren't behind his upcoming demotion from captain? They could've went to Seibold and said "we no longer believe in this bloke as a player or leader". Genuinely, how could anyone know?

The blokes I know back him, and that's good enough for me. Still doesn't mean he is good enough, but he hasn't lost any respect, it's fairly clear when you see them around the club he hasn't. He has just lost the ability to be a decent footy player.

No player would get away with deliberately not trying, and I'm more than confident we don't have anyone like that at the club no matter how it looks at times. They just wouldnt get picked and their team mates would give them the cold shoulder at the very least. To me now, Boyd has to lift his game, or Seibold drops him. Simple as that. Seibold is the one with the power to make that decision.

 

[Wolfie]

Because he can't be moved on as easily as Roberts and last year he had his hands tied. Who was he supposed to pick in his place? A grieving winger who was in even worse form than him? To make such a bold move would require somebody who could do a better job and the Broncos didn't have that luxury last season.

Depends on what position you are talking about really and at what stage of the year. Seibold didn't really have his hands tied that much. If he moved Milford to fullback early on, he still had SOS, Dargan, Nikorima and Dearden as options in the halves as well as Paix and Tanah Boyd. He didn't need Darius ( or Turpin for that matter ) in the halves. Fullback is the tricky one as a lot of our fullback options had their weaknesses. Bird, Milf and maybe Nikorima would have had their pros and cons, but I bet on their own way they would have been more effective than Darius.

Oh , almost forgot, we could have thrown Kahu into the mix as well. Like I said BP, depends on that time of the year you are talking about, but we did have plenty of options under Seibs.

 

[Unbreakable]

No player would get away with deliberately not trying, and I'm more than confident we don't have anyone like that at the club no matter how it looks at times.

He's become good at hiding it, that's probably why the playing group hasn't completely turned on him. When you take the easy option in nearly every 1 on 1 defensive opportunity, that ceases to become a coincidence, or bad luck, that is a calculated decision Darius' behalf to avoid contact wherever possible and prolong his career. Going for intercepts where the person clearly isn't going to pass, playing stuck in the mud when a front rower does a 20 degree change in angle, overrunning the player so it seems as if you've been wrong footed when he invariably steps back on the inside. No other Fullback in the NRL gets it that wrong more than a couple of times a season, he was getting it wrong nearly every game, that's calculated, that's deliberate.

 

[broncsgoat]

He's become good at hiding it, that's probably why the playing group hasn't completely turned on him. When you take the easy option in nearly every 1 on 1 defensive opportunity, that ceases to become a coincidence, or bad luck, that is a calculated decision Darius' behalf to avoid contact wherever possible and prolong his career. Going for intercepts where the person clearly isn't going to pass, playing stuck in the mud when a front rower does a 20 degree change in angle, overrunning the player so it seems as if you've been wrong footed when he invariably steps back on the inside. No other Fullback in the NRL gets it that wrong more than a couple of times a seasons, he was getting it wrong nearly every game, that's calculated, that's deliberate.

TBF no other fullbacks front line got shredded as much as ours did

 

[Unbreakable]

TBF no other fullbacks front line got shredded as much as ours did

Got the stats to back that up? I would wager that our line-breaks conceded per game wasn't too far off the league average.

 

[tommy]

TBF no other fullbacks front line got shredded as much as ours did

Are you sure about that?

 

[Big Pete]

Depends on what position you are talking about really and at what stage of the year. Seibold didn't really have his hands tied that much. If he moved Milford to fullback early on, he still had SOS, Dargan, Nikorima and Dearden as options in the halves as well as Paidx and Tanah Boyd. He didn't need Darius ( or Turpin for that matter ) in the halves.

By the time Boyd and Turpin found themselves in the halves, Seibold had little choice. Dearden, O'Sullivan and Paix were injured, Nikorima and T. Boyd were gone and Dargan was a depth player and a hanger on from a previous regime. Again, he wasn't exactly flushed with options and I think your suggestion that he should have gone with a bunch of part-time fullbacks early on in the season speaks to that.

 

[tommy]

He's become good at hiding it, that's probably why the playing group hasn't completely turned on him. When you take the easy option in nearly every 1 on 1 defensive opportunity, that ceases to become a coincidence, or bad luck, that is a calculated decision Darius' behalf to avoid contact wherever possible and prolong his career. Going for intercepts where the person clearly isn't going to pass, playing stuck in the mud when a front rower does a 20 degree change in angle, overrunning the player so it seems as if you've been wrong footed when he invariably steps back on the inside. No other Fullback in the NRL gets it that wrong more than a couple of times a season, he was getting it wrong nearly every game, that's calculated, that's deliberate.

I don't think he's that great at hiding it at all, it's pretty obvious. No wonder he has managed to earn himself the moniker Darius Avoyd amongst the general NRL fanbase. He is literally a laughing stock.

 

[Unbreakable]

I don't think he's that great at hiding it at all, it's pretty obvious. No wonder he has managed to earn himself the moniker Darius Avoyd amongst the general NRL fanbase. He is literally a laughing stock.

Oh yeah, it's obvious as shit to people who watch a lot of league, but to the other players in the playing group who probably don't re-watch the Boyd shenanigans 50 times in slow-mo from a bunch of different angles on social media, can only assume they aren't as dialed in as the fans, they probably only see it once when they review film.

 

[abashii]

He's become good at hiding it, that's probably why the playing group hasn't completely turned on him. When you take the easy option in nearly every 1 on 1 defensive opportunity, that ceases to become a coincidence, or bad luck, that is a calculated decision Darius' behalf to avoid contact wherever possible and prolong his career. Going for intercepts where the person clearly isn't going to pass, playing stuck in the mud when a front rower does a 20 degree change in angle, overrunning the player so it seems as if you've been wrong footed when he invariably steps back on the inside. No other Fullback in the NRL gets it that wrong more than a couple of times a season, he was getting it wrong nearly every game, that's calculated, that's deliberate.

It's amazing he's so good at hiding it that the 16 other blokes playing with him just can't see it, nor can all the players and staff doing hours upon hours of video review and days on the training paddock. We should probably sack everyone involved, from the coach right through our top 30 if they're so blind as to be hoodwinked by Darius' schemes while mere internet forumites can see it clear as day.

 

[Wolfie]

He's become good at hiding it, that's probably why the playing group hasn't completely turned on him. When you take the easy option in nearly every 1 on 1 defensive opportunity, that ceases to become a coincidence, or bad luck, that is a calculated decision Darius' behalf to avoid contact wherever possible and prolong his career. Going for intercepts where the person clearly isn't going to pass, playing stuck in the mud when a front rower does a 20 degree change in angle, overrunning the player so it seems as if you've been wrong footed when he invariably steps back on the inside. No other Fullback in the NRL gets it that wrong more than a couple of times a season, he was getting it wrong nearly every game, that's calculated, that's deliberate.

Or it's a lack of belief in his own ability that's causing the issues. I'm more likely to trust the opinions of the blokes who play with him week in week out than people on here with all due respect. You can't tell me they wouldn't see it. If he was that good at hiding it, then very few people on here would be bringing it up anyway.

Too many people are just over analysing the whole Boyd thing imo because they get over emotional about it all. He is just a player declining rapidly. He makes bad decisions, and his level of performance isn't acceptable and that's all it is for me. If you want to believe something else that's up to you. If he ever loses the support of his team mates, then I'll have no choice but to admit I got it wrong, but I'm fairly confident it's not going to happen.
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Oh yeah, it's obvious as shit to people who watch a lot of league, but to the other players in the playing group who probably don't re-watch the Boyd shenanigans 50 times in slow-mo from a bunch of different angles on social media, can only assume they aren't as dialed in as the fans, they probably only see it once when they review film.

Their reviews are pretty in depth, I'm sure they even see angles we don't.

 

[Unbreakable]

It's amazing he's so good at hiding it that the 16 other blokes playing with him just can't see it, nor can all the players and staff doing hours upon hours of video review and days on the training paddock. We should probably sack everyone involved, from the coach right through our top 30 if they're so blind as to be hoodwinked by Darius' schemes while mere internet forumites can see it clear as day.

Refer to my previous post re: the playing group.

In regards to the training and coaching staff, they did see it. Why do you think they moved him from Fullback? Why do you think he's likely to lose the captaincy this off-season? I think it's pretty obvious the coaching staff has had enough of it.