Barba vs Boyd

[M.B.88]

Next QLD 5/8 will be Cherry-Evans, then Hunt

Next fullback will be Inglis

You don't think he will stay at Centre where he's been terrorizing for so long? Why weaken that when you could get a milford playing fullback ?

 

[john1420]

I'm really tired of the petty jibes, the endless repetition and referencing the relationship WB has with Boyd. Many of us will live a lifetime never knowing the brilliance of a father son relationship or indeed a mentoring friendship. This constant harping on the relationship like somehow, having a great bond between a wise and respected elder and a young and inexperienced man is a bad thing. Most of the posters on here, if involved in such a thing would treasure every moment of that friendship. You should be so lucky. I pity people consumed by such hatred and jealousy.

Huge is spot on. The mentor/father figure relationship is very beneficial to a young man, and especially to one without a father (not sure about Boyd, but that was my position)

I was fortunate enough to come under the teaching of a masterful coach and a very wise man in my teens and early twenties. He taught me so much about my sport and even more about life. I treasure that relationship, and I was devastated when he moved interstate.

If I could have followed him I would have. Not because I am little puppy dog looking for master, or a baby looking for daddy, but because I had enormous respect for this man and having him play a large part in my life could only make me a better athlete, and a better person. Who in their right mind wouldn't follow such a person?

My time with him was incredibly valuable, and far too short.

Those that fail to understand this, you have my sympathy

 

[broncos4life]

Jackson- Souths, Raiders and Broncos.
Kevvie- Raiders, Broncos, Broncos, Knights, Broncos.

Bet Kevvie won't have the same shit said about him

 

[Anonymous person]

Jackson- Souths, Raiders and Broncos.
Kevvie- Raiders, Broncos, Broncos, Knights, Broncos.

Well walters doesnt count because he didnt follow bennett - bennett was at the Broncos in 88, Walters didn't come along until 90. He then left and went to england, not following bennett. what he does in his coaching after his playing career is irrelevant.

Jackson also played for coaches other than Bennett. he played for leeds, where bennett wasnt the coach. he also went to the north sydney bears, where bennett again wasnt the coach.

Boyd has had no coaches other than bennett. the others have. as soon as bennett leaves boyd pulls his get out clause out and follows him to the next club. big difference.

 

[Huge]

Well walters doesnt count because he didnt follow bennett - bennett was at the Broncos in 88, Walters didn't come along until 90. He then left and went to england, not following bennett. what he does in his coaching after his playing career is irrelevant.

Jackson also played for coaches other than Bennett. he played for leeds, where bennett wasnt the coach. he also went to the north sydney bears, where bennett again wasnt the coach.

Boyd has had no coaches other than bennett. the others have. as soon as bennett leaves boyd pulls his get out clause out and follows him to the next club. big difference.

So what ? What's the issue ? Like why do you or anybody care that he's only had Bennett as a coach....it seemed as though a lot of posters thought having only been coached by Griffin was significant but it's not. Also, Boyd had several coaches before Bennett or is the fact that he went full time somehow invalidate that fact ?

 

[Unbreakable]

Has no one even considering Milford being an impact player off the bench?

No, you're literally the first person, Milford is going to more than likely be one our best players for the next 5-10 years, Bennett won't be making the same mistake that Griffin did with Hunt (Having him on the bench during some of the best years of his career)

 

[Ari Gold]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Boyd and Bennett having a strong relationship, and I don't have any issues with Boyd wanting to follow such a figure (though I will make jokes about it). But what I, and a lot of other posters have issues with is that WB would be willing to accommodate Boyd in his favourite position, which is one where we do not need more options.

Even if we sign up to Huge's stupid notion that Milford is our only good fullback option, that is all we need.

 

[1910]

Well walters doesnt count because he didnt follow bennett - bennett was at the Broncos in 88, Walters didn't come along until 90. He then left and went to england, not following bennett. what he does in his coaching after his playing career is irrelevant.

Jackson also played for coaches other than Bennett. he played for leeds, where bennett wasnt the coach. he also went to the north sydney bears, where bennett again wasnt the coach.

Boyd has had no coaches other than bennett. the others have. as soon as bennett leaves boyd pulls his get out clause out and follows him to the next club. big difference.

Well he did follow him- as quickly as he could. Kevvie was under contract till end of '89- as soon as that was up he left and came back to Bennett. Broncos gave him $25000 a third of what the Dragons offered him and he came back knowing he was more than likely not going to displace Lewis.

Coaching is relevant- Kevvie is still being influenced by him and learning from him.

Jackson went to Norths because he had a falling out with Bennett and left.

You're clutching at straws, they both clearly followed him and wanted to go where he did- along with plenty of others. To deny that is just ridiculous.

 

[Anonymous person]

But they didnt just follow him to a new club as soon as he went, did they? They went to other clubs, had other coaches. Boyds first grade career has consisted of following Bennett day and date through 3 teams so far, with another move pretty much guaranteed.

If he just wants to do that then fine. I think it makes him a bit of a baby, but that doesn't matter. What does matter however is Bennett enabling it and just giving him the fullback spot everywhere he goes. There is realistically only 1 position in the whole team that we do not need any new players in. Just the one. Fullback. The one that Boyd plays, and the one that Bennett has guaranteed Boyd if/when he signs.

That's just pathetic form from Bennett. We have a Dally M winning fullback and the most exciting fullback the game has seen in a decade or more, and he's playing favourites with his adopted son. It stinks.

 

[Huge]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Boyd and Bennett having a strong relationship, and I don't have any issues with Boyd wanting to follow such a figure (though I will make jokes about it). But what I, and a lot of other posters have issues with is that WB would be willing to accommodate Boyd in his favourite position, which is one where we do not need more options.

Even if we sign up to Huge's stupid notion that Milford is our only good fullback option, that is all we need.

Mine and stupid old Wayne Bennett's notion. Fair enough, what would I know but the old duffer with 6 or 7 premierships, what would he know ? If we have so many good options at fullback, why were we playing Hodges there ? Fair enough Hoffman is okay but not spectacular and Milford wasn't here this year. Maybe just maybe the silly old duffer has a plan to use Milford . Remember,he inherits a team and not a lot of wriggle room for next year. He hasn't got the players necessarily he wants but he may see Barba as a saleable commodity or even Milford and others. The team he wants will be closer to his desires in 2016 and even more so in 2017.What he does know is he can stitch up the fullback position to suit his needs, he will make changes and I trust him to build a team. He knows what he wants, you don't. You know what you want and when you get your own team, you can have your way.

 

[1910]

While I am at it- Kevvie played four games in England and came straight home- quite the big trip away from Bennett- two weeks!

That's the worst example ever to use!

 

[1910]

But they didnt just follow him to a new club as soon as he went, did they? They went to other clubs, had other coaches. Boyds first grade career has consisted of following Bennett day and date through 3 teams so far, with another move pretty much guaranteed.

If he just wants to do that then fine. I think it makes him a bit of a baby, but that doesn't matter. What does matter however is Bennett enabling it and just giving him the fullback spot everywhere he goes. There is realistically only 1 position in the whole team that we do not need any new players in. Just the one. Fullback. The one that Boyd plays, and the one that Bennett has guaranteed Boyd if/when he signs.

That's just pathetic form from Bennett. We have a Dally M winning fullback and the most exciting fullback the game has seen in a decade or more, and he's playing favourites with his adopted son. It stinks.

So if Boyd came to Brisbane in 2016 that would make all the difference!

 

[Foordy]

TBH I'm not really even concerned that he is likely to follow Bennett yet again. For me it is the preferential treatment it appears he gets.

Like getting the fullback spot despite not being the best option at the club. And keeping it when he is playing poorly.

And b4l if all your just looking for reliability and experience for our fullback next season... Why not just leave Hoffman there. He is far safer at the back than Boyd is (in fact he is probably one of the safest fullbacks in the NRL). His play making at the back lets him down, but then again Boyd isn't much of one either.

 

[Ari Gold]

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Mine and stupid old Wayne Bennett's notion. Fair enough, what would I know but the old duffer with 6 or 7 premierships, what would he know ?

What would Des Hasler know? Clearly nothing given he had Barba at fullback all those years.

 

[Big Pete]

Nor did he seem to kick up too big a fuss when he let him walk...

 

[Ari Gold]

He certainly didn't. And I think he would have personally preferred to have taken Brett Stewart with him.

I've not even saying Barba is the best fullback or even the best option for our team, but I still think he would be a good option. Huge did what he so often does, and found an example of someone in the game who shares a similar opinion, so he cites them, claiming that because they are in the game they are indeed so wise and that they share his opinion too so therefore his argument is right.

I was just countering this stupid argument with an equally stupid argument, only using a coach who has been much more successful this last decade.

 

[Foordy]

Nor did he seem to kick up too big a fuss when he let him walk...

That may have had nothing to do with what he thinks of Barba as player but more with team harmony.

And several members of the squad not wanting to play with him.

 

[broncos4life]

TBH I'm not really even concerned that he is likely to follow Bennett yet again. For me it is the preferential treatment it appears he gets.

Like getting the fullback spot despite not being the best option at the club. And keeping it when he is playing poorly.

And b4l if all your just looking for reliability and experience for our fullback next season... Why not just leave Hoffman there. He is far safer at the back than Boyd is (in fact he is probably one of the safest fullbacks in the NRL). His play making at the back lets him down, but then again Boyd isn't much of one either.

When I say reliability I mean more than just defense. I mean executing game plans etc