NEWS Broncos flyer Corey Oates says he wants to stay in Brisbane

[Huge]

Difference is that he isn't taking up a large part of our cap, he definitely hasn't been the worst buy of the year as he is on a small pay packet...
Someone like Foran or Bird would be different

Can't see what we paid for a player making a difference. Bird at least contributed, Savellio zero. If you're looking for return on investment Savellio returned nothing. Bird played more than a quarter of the season, no contest on who was the worst buy. Of course I don't think the pay packets have anything to do it.

 

[Broncs_Fan]

Lol What was Savellio supposed to do? Not get injured?

 

[Allo]

Can't see what we paid for a player making a difference. Bird at least contributed, Savellio zero. If you're looking for return on investment Savellio returned nothing. Bird played more than a quarter of the season, no contest on who was the worst buy. Of course I don't think the pay packets have anything to do it.

But did he really?

Say Savellio didn’t get injured, but didn’t play NRL either, but Bird still did, and still got injured. Would Savellio still be a worse buy?

 

[Browny]

So Oates says he wants to stay. Well fucking sign a contract mate

 

[Foordy]

So Oates says he wants to stay. Well fucking sign a contract mate

He reckons he hasn't received an offer yet

 

[Kimlo]

It's like anything else in business world. Generally the offer is only made when it's basically 100% done. No one wants to go through the bullshit of writing up contracts until it's a sure thing.

 

[Huge]

But did he really?

Say Savellio didn’t get injured, but didn’t play NRL either, but Bird still did, and still got injured. Would Savellio still be a worse buy?

Truthfully I think it's a poor question, not yours allo but overall. It's always subjective and some players attract big dollars and consequently big expectations however no matter how brilliantly or poorly they perform someone will find fault. Given the circumstances surrounding Bird and what we learned later about his dodgy sternum I suppose we could say he wasn't a great buy but **** me, hindsight is always 20 20.

If he was in perfect health for game one and his career was ended after the first tackle people could say he was a terrible purchase but that would be a shit opinion. I don't think Bird or Savellio were bad buys, it's just luck and the smarter ones amongst us just build a bridge.

 

[Skathen]

I don't think Bird or Savellio were bad buys, it's just luck and the smarter ones amongst us just build a bridge.

So.... questioning a poor outcome is dumb by your logic?

Would the smarter way not be to constantly review and improve processes? Luck might be part of it, but how much is luck and how much is knowledge?

If Bird was a whitegood we'd have taken him back for a full refund by now for being faulty before we picked it up.

How much of this sternum problem existed when he signed with us for instance and why didn't our medical processes find out about it?

Without critical inquisition improvement will flounder.

Heck as a fan forum, the ability to discuss and scrutinise things make up the majority of the content here. By your statement we should just build a bridge and be smart and shut it down?

People have different opinions. Having a different one to you doesn't make people dumber than you.

 

[Pub Steak]

If Bird is ready to come back this week maybe his defence as a right centre is what we need to shut down Mitchell. Throw Roberts on the left. Bird is a much better defender than Roberts.

 

[Huge]

Lol What was Savellio supposed to do? Not get injured?

Nuance and tone gets lost when written down on the net but of course you're absolutely right. Sure, it's not Savellio's fault just as it's not Bird's fault that neither of them provided much value. That really is the point and these things happen. A better question would be 'which new player to a club (who played or was available to play for the season) was the worst buy of the year'?

 

[Allo]

If Bird is ready to come back this week maybe his defence as a right centre is what we need to shut down Mitchell. Throw Roberts on the left. Bird is a much better defender than Roberts.

He’s gone for the season. Having more scans and even then you wouldn’t put him in cold for a finals series

 

[Huge]

So.... questioning a poor outcome is dumb by your logic?

Would the smarter way not be to constantly review and improve processes? Luck might be part of it, but how much is luck and how much is knowledge?

If Bird was a whitegood we'd have taken him back for a full refund by now for being faulty before we picked it up.

How much of this sternum problem existed when he signed with us for instance and why didn't our medical processes find out about it?

Without critical inquisition improvement will flounder.

Heck as a fan forum, the ability to discuss and scrutinise things make up the majority of the content here. By your statement we should just build a bridge and be smart and shut it down?

People have different opinions. Having a different one to you doesn't make people dumber than you.

If you think it's smart to question the poor outcome of signing Savellio, fine you're smart. Me, I think shit happens and I move on. As a club I might note in the records that it happened but it wouldn't be scrutinised. The questions concerning Bird's health is not the subject of the discussion and just like Morkel does, you introduce a strawman to knock down. How on earth did you deduce that I'd think introspection and review were unworthy efforts?

What I think the smarter person does is not waste time on useless pursuits or musings. Things like putting a subjective value on these two particular players contribution over the season. Questions surrounding Bird's health both before and after his arrival should be asked and answered as I'm sure they have been but once again, that was not what I was discussing. Are we clear ?

 

[Morkel]

Can't see what we paid for a player making a difference. Bird at least contributed, Savellio zero. If you're looking for return on investment Savellio returned nothing. Bird played more than a quarter of the season, no contest on who was the worst buy. Of course I don't think the pay packets have anything to do it.

How many depth players are there in the NRL that are on minimal contracts and don’t play a single minute of NRL? Are they all the worst buy of the season?

If you want to talk of investment, you talk of not only its return, but it’s accumulated or depreciated value.

If they’re equipment, Savellio was a cheap investment that was never able to be utilised, but neither were a handful of others bought as redundancies. No real value lost.

Bird was bought as a premium device that was planned to make a significant improvement in our output. Instead he graunched along, contributed some poor quality results, and eventually broke down. Sure, with some professional service and quality parts he should be good to go next year, but on this year alone he’s been a flop and if we tried to sell him now, even fixed, you could argue you wouldn’t get back what you paid for him.

Foran, well shit. He was acquired to be one of two critical operating components. He was just as expensive, if not more so, than Bird. He had a slightly longer uptime, but contributed even less than Bird. Worst of all, he was purchased by a dodgy rogue manager, who has since been (rightly) fired, was massively overpriced even when the purchase agreement went through due to a terminal decline in the preceding seasons, and is now worth little more than a generic Savellio. Their operation is now failing terribly, and due to purchases such as Foran, they've had to liquidate other equipment, at heavily discounted rates, in order to stay afloat.

 

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How many depth players are there in the NRL that are on minimal contracts and don’t play a single minute of NRL? Are they all the worst buy of the season?

If you want to talk of investment, you talk of not only its return, but it’s accumulated or depreciated value.

If they’re equipment, Savellio was a cheap investment that was never able to be utilised, but neither were a handful of others bought as redundancies. No real value lost.

Bird was bought as a premium device that was planned to make a significant improvement in our output. Instead he graunched along, contributed some poor quality results, and eventually broke down. Sure, with some professional service and quality parts he should be good to go next year, but on this year alone he’s been a flop and if we tried to sell him now, even fixed, you could argue you wouldn’t get back what you paid for him.

Foran, well shit. He was acquired to be one of two critical operating components. He was just as expensive, if not more so, than Bird. He had a slightly longer uptime, but contributed even less than Bird. Worst of all, he was purchased by a dodgy rogue manager, who has since been (rightly) fired, was massively overpriced even when the purchase agreement went through due to a terminal decline in the preceding seasons, and is now worth little more than a generic Savellio. Their operation is now failing terribly, and due to purchases such as Foran, they've had to liquidate other equipment, at heavily discounted rates, in order to stay afloat.

You wouldn't work for Grey's Online or Lloyds Auctions would you? PWC asset management perhaps?

 

[Morkel]

You wouldn't work for Grey's Online or Lloyds Auctions would you? PWC asset management perhaps?

No, but as an irrelevant side point we print a fair bit of stuff for Lloyds as a third party!

 

[Skathen]

If you think it's smart to question the poor outcome of signing Savellio, fine you're smart. Me, I think shit happens and I move on. As a club I might note in the records that it happened but it wouldn't be scrutinised. The questions concerning Bird's health is not the subject of the discussion and just like Morkel does, you introduce a strawman to knock down. How on earth did you deduce that I'd think introspection and review were unworthy efforts?

Not looking for a compliment, just looking for you not to be an ass an put others down who hold different views to you.

Re: your Strawman claim, you wrote it off as luck, others prefer to look deeper. That is why it is being discussed - at length, in this thread, for multiple posts. No strawman here, sorry, swing and a miss.

What I think the smarter person does is not waste time on useless pursuits or musings.

So we're clear here, we are two people arguing on the internet, discussing rugby league... we'll I guess we're both fucked.

Although, what you are actually reaching for here but not quite grasping, is "effective use of time" not "smart". Lots of smart people are ineffective at use of time and lots of dumb people are either intentionally or unintentionally effective with their use of time. Intelligence and effective use of time are not correlated. So lucky for us, there's a chance we aren't dumb then.

My point is, don't claim superiority based on your view point. Are WE clear?

 

[Broncs_Fan]

Oates will leave. The money that he'll get on the open market will be too great to turn down.

 

[pagey]

Oates will leave. The money that he'll get on the open market will be too great to turn down.

Thanks for the insight