Broncos Player Movement and Rumours 2020

[heartly87]

Andrew Johns article this morning saying somethin right. Fifita is a 600k player.

I think 600 to 700k should see him stay with us. I have faith in this teams bond.

 

[pagey]

Jack bowen- bower has signed with the storm, but I'm sure was with the Broncos. Can someone confirm this ? I'm sure he was a gun coming through, obviously was seeing as Melbourne grabbed him.

 

[Big Pete]

Jack bowen- bower has signed with the storm, but I'm sure was with the Broncos. Can someone confirm this ? I'm sure he was a gun coming through, obviously was seeing as Melbourne grabbed him.

He's been with the Storm since last year.

 

[Wolfie]

I potentially saw Payne Haas run 200+ on Friday night for about the 10th time this year. Not to mention the meters lodge made. Not sure I’ve ever seen that from either of the front rowers in 15. Gillett is still there and we have Fifita who is way more damaging than levy was in 15. Parker gets the nod over our origin rep Ofa and Tpj.

I’m giving the win to 2019

I think people get too carried away with running meters. Haas outruns Webcke in terms of running meters, but he is nowhere near close to him as a prop yet. You could get a forward who takes every tough hitup in the game and only makes 100 meters, but those 100 meters could be more valuable than a forward who runs double that. Too many variables and lack of information in how the running meters come about for me to take them on board too much.

 

[broncsgoat]

I think people get too carried away with running meters. Haas outruns Webcke in terms of running meters, but he is nowhere near close to him as a prop yet. You could get a forward who takes every tough hitup in the game and only makes 100 meters, but those 100 meters could be more valuable than a forward who runs double that. Too many variables and lack of information in how the running meters come about for me to take them on board too much.

Bad time to make this argument after he just played 83 minutes and ran for 215 .

He’s a freak, it’s not like he shirks the hard stuff.

 

[theshed]

I think people get too carried away with running meters. Haas outruns Webcke in terms of running meters, but he is nowhere near close to him as a prop yet. You could get a forward who takes every tough hitup in the game and only makes 100 meters, but those 100 meters could be more valuable than a forward who runs double that. Too many variables and lack of information in how the running meters come about for me to take them on board too much.

Sure but for a kid on his debut season to crack 200m a game consistently is mind blowing.

 

[Alec]

I think people get too carried away with running meters. Haas outruns Webcke in terms of running meters, but he is nowhere near close to him as a prop yet. You could get a forward who takes every tough hitup in the game and only makes 100 meters, but those 100 meters could be more valuable than a forward who runs double that. Too many variables and lack of information in how the running meters come about for me to take them on board too much.

Yeah, sometimes less is more. I thought he could have used a rest, some of his later runs just didn't have the same sting as they usually do, and some of his defence started to look a bit lazy towards the end.

He should definitely be playing more minutes than any other middle forward, but I think 60 is plenty to keep him fresh enough for the entire game.

 

[ZTop]

Blair
Thaiday
Parker
Gillett
McGuire
Glenn
Wallace
Joe O

All of them in decent form. That’s a great pack.

You forgot the key man - Mitchell Dodds

 

[Unbreakable]

I think people get too carried away with running meters. Haas outruns Webcke in terms of running meters, but he is nowhere near close to him as a prop yet.

If their numbers were close, I would agree, but they're not.

Big Pete posted some forward statistics from the golden Broncos era, Haas is nearly doubling some of the guys we used to think of as elite props in terms of production, he's a new beast. He's a better club prop than Webcke ever was in his current form. Webcke grew an extra leg in rep games & finals games, but that's a different discussion.

For arguments sake -

Webcke's best season (2001): 29 Games, 3 Tries, 6 Line-Breaks, 34 Offloads, 14.5 Avg Hit-Ups, 130m Avg, 23.1 Avg Tackles, 92.54% Tackle Efficiency

Haas rookie season (2019): 19 Games, 4 Tries, 6 Line-Breaks, 13 Offloads, 16.5 Avg Hit-Ups, 187m Avg, 33.9 Avg Tackles, 92.30% Tackle Efficiency

It's literally not even close when you factor in that he's played 10 fewer games, all he has to do now is develop a reliable offload and you've got comfortably the best forward in the world.

 

[Wolfie]

If their numbers were close, I would agree, but they're not.

Big Pete posted some forward statistics from the golden Broncos era, Haas is nearly doubling some of the guys we used to think of as elite props in terms of production, he's a new beast. He's a better club prop than Webcke ever was in his current form. Webcke grew an extra leg in rep games & finals games, but that's a different discussion.

For arguments sake -

Webcke's best season (2001): 29 Games, 3 Tries, 6 Line-Breaks, 34 Offloads, 14.5 Avg Hit-Ups, 130m Avg, 23.1 Avg Tackles, 92.54% Tackle Efficiency

Haas rookie season (2019): 19 Games, 4 Tries, 6 Line-Breaks, 13 Offloads, 16.5 Avg Hit-Ups, 187m Avg, 33.9 Avg Tackles, 92.30% Tackle Efficiency

It's literally not even close when you factor in that he's played 10 fewer games, all he has to do now is develop a reliable offload and you've got comfortably the best forward in the world.

He is nowhere near Webcke. Not even close yet. Thats not to say he wont be, but i'm not going to judge a forward solely on running meters. Like i said, put things into context. How many of the runs Haas has made are the tough ones where you arent going to make many meters because you are going to get absolutley smashed? Compare like for like. Until you can do that the stats mean very little, as i said to you last year when you kept going on that Sua had better stats than Glenn. Statistics never tell the full story.
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Sure but for a kid on his debut season to crack 200m a game consistently is mind blowing.

I think he has done exceptionally well, and hopefully if he develops other aspects of his game he will be the best prop we have seen. I dont see him going the way of Dave Taylor who really, if he had any kind of desire and application, would have been untouchable.

 

[Unbreakable]

He is nowhere near Webcke. Not even close yet.

That is simply incorrect. I don't need statistics to tell me that Haas has had more influence on results this year than Webcke ever did.

To say that Haas never "takes the tough runs" is pure crap as well.

Bow to your new king.

 

[Foordy]

He should definitely be playing more minutes than any other middle forward, but I think 60 is plenty to keep him fresh enough for the entire game.

Seibs said in the presser that was the original plan until Ofa failed his fitness test.

said he was going to leave Haas on and just play and for him to put his hand up when he needed a rest, but he never put his hand up

 

[Wolfie]

That is simply incorrect. I don't need statistics to tell me that Haas has had more influence on results this year than Webcke ever did.

To say that Haas never "takes the tough runs" is pure crap as well.

Bow to your new king.

Where did i say he never takes the tough runs? **** me, you blokes either cant read or you make shit up in your heads. I asked " How many of the runs Haas has made are the tough ones where you arent going to make many meters because you are going to get absolutley smashed? " I didnt say, Haas never takes the tough runs. So who is talking pure crap? I'll await my apology.

Haas is potentially the second best forward i have ever seen at the Broncos. When he is still doing what he is doing now in 5 years time, then i think we can agree he is better than Webcke, who was excellent year in year out for the majority of his time here. Like i said, i'm not going to compare Haas to Webcke yet as he doesnt have runs on the board. Tim Smith had fantastic stats in his rookie year ( not that i think Payne will go that way ) lets not forget.

 

[I bleed Maroon]

I think there might be a bit of rose tinted glasses going on over Webby. He was a quality player with a great motor but he was definitely more of a toiler than a freak like Haas

 

[pagey]

The one stat that helps webcke in that comparison is offloads , 34 to haas's 13 .
Offloads are crucial and haas needs to get better at them or he'll be to one dimensional, still plenty of time to work on but he needs to offer more.

 

[Wolfie]

I think there might be a bit of rose tinted glasses going on over Webby. He was a quality player with a great motor but he was definitely more of a toiler than a freak like Haas

Dont disagree about Haas being a freak, he should comfortably end up being our best ever prop if he keeps developing. Webcke was a lot more than a toiler though.

 

[Unbreakable]

Where did i say he never takes the tough runs? **** me, you blokes either cant read or you make shit up in your heads. I asked " How many of the runs Haas has made are the tough ones where you arent going to make many meters because you are going to get absolutley smashed? " I didnt say, Haas never takes the tough runs. So who is talking pure crap? I'll await my apology.

Haas is potentially the second best forward i have ever seen at the Broncos. When he is still doing what he is doing now in 5 years time, then i think we can agree he is better than Webcke, who was excellent year in year out for the majority of his time here. Like i said, i'm not going to compare Haas to Webcke yet as he doesnt have runs on the board. Tim Smith had fantastic stats in his rookie year ( not that i think Payne will go that way ) lets not forget.

So Haas is the 2nd best forward you've ever seen at the Broncos, but he's "Not even close to Webcke"?

Do you see the problem? I know it's hard to admit, a lot of us admired Webcke growing up, including myself. But this is a battle I don't think the war horse can win. It's like comparing the T-800 to the T-1000 after watching Terminator 2: Judgment Day. Yeah, sure, the T-800 shows a lot of heart and determination, but the T-1000 is simply a superior model.

 

[tommy]

So Haas is the 2nd best forward you've ever seen at the Broncos, but he's "Not even close to Webcke"?

Do you see the problem? I know it's hard to admit, a lot of us admired Webcke growing up, including myself. But this is a battle I don't think the war horse can win. It's like comparing the T-800 to the T-1000 after watching Terminator 2: Judgment Day. Yeah, sure, the T-800 shows a lot of heart and determination, but the T-1000 is simply a superior model.

Bad comparison. The T800 ended up defeating the T1000.