Broncos Player Movement and Rumours 2020

[1910]

Not a chance.

That's the thing about the Roosters, everyone thinks they're rorting the cap with the way they recruit seemingly impossible rosters (there is likely some truth to this) but nobody ever talks about the real rorting that goes on with how the Roosters seem to magically also be able to dispose of any player they want at the exact moment they want while every other club in the comp is stuck with players they can't ever seem to shift.

Because they make the call one or two years before they have to, they do it early and have faith they have the next LM, Pearce, SKD, Guerra or Napa ready to go or if not ready will be and we can carry them for two years.

Other clubs take them because they're still playing well just not Roosters well.

 

[McHunt]

So if Ikin becomes CEO, do you think he'll hire Walters as head coach? He seems to be a fan.

Here's what he thinks of TPJ:

 

[Dazza 92]

A new CEO like to put down a marker early in his new tenor.....might be what your seeing here (this was before Fifita left though so...)

But.....being a grub didnt hurt Sam Burgess career, or James Grahams...

Did those 2 clubs have the gumption to move those guys on after every failed judciary hearing...?

 

[Kooly87]

Because they make the call one or two years before they have to, they do it early and have faith they have the next LM, Pearce, SKD, Guerra or Napa ready to go or if not ready will be and we can carry them for two years.

Other clubs take them because they're still playing well just not Roosters well.

Look, maybe it is all above board. Maybe they really are just so much better at roster management than literally every other club in the competition. I remember when people used to say the same things about Melbourne though, and look how that turned out.

I guess it is technically possible there is nothing underhanded going on anywhere financially with that club, but the NRL has proven time and again that when there is smoke there is usually fire, and even if it takes a while to come to the surface, it almost always eventually does. The stories about Nick Politis and his awful misfortune on the golf course don't just materialise out of thin air.

Personally, I'm prepared to wait and see what dirty laundry finds it's way to the surface in the fullness of time.

 

[McHunt]

I still want Macca to come back but as a lock or even a back up 6 / 9. I think he is perfect for what we need as a lock. He hits and sticks, he glues the middle together and goodness me this side needs that and he is great defensively and covering work. He should not be the 9 but as a 13, he could be exactly what is needed in the short-term, so long as he is willing to change position. Carrigan moves to 8/10 and Haas moves to the second-row.

I know where you're coming from, but trying to repurpose players who don't fit into their preferred positions led us to where we are today. I'm still optimistic he'll stay with the Knights. He seems to have fallen on his feet there and good for both of them.

We could use his work ethic and tireless defence, but I'm not sure those numbers at hooker would translate to a tackling specialist lock. He racks up the count every week, but he's no Gillmeister, Ryan, or TPG for that matter. They don't get up hurting.

Most importantly, we should never allow him to stand between the ball and where we want it to go. The gap between his service and what we saw from Turpin last Friday is ever widening.

That said, I'm not convinced Luke is much better. If it came down to a choice between them as a backup, backup hooker, I'd go with Macca simply because he's the kind of bloke you want around the clubhouse.

 

[1910]

Look, maybe it is all above board. Maybe they really are just so much better at roster management than literally every other club in the competition. I remember when people used to say the same things about Melbourne though, and look how that turned out.

I guess it is technically possible there is nothing underhanded going on anywhere financially with that club, but the NRL has proven time and again that when there is smoke there is usually fire, and even if it takes a while to come to the surface, it almost always eventually does. The stories about Nick Politis and his awful misfortune on the golf course don't just materialise out of thin air.

Personally, I'm prepared to wait and see what dirty laundry finds it's way to the surface in the fullness of time.

Nick has been at the club since the 1970's and has saved them I honestly don't think he'd do anything dodgy. He surrounds himself and his club with the best people, he doesn't need to be dodgy just good at your job.

 

[Kooly87]

I know where you're coming from, but trying to repurpose players who don't fit into their preferred positions led us to where we are today. I'm still optimistic he'll stay with the Knights. He seems to have fallen on his feet there and good for both of them.

We could use his work ethic and tireless defence, but I'm not sure those numbers at hooker would translate to a tackling specialist lock. He racks up the count every week, but he's no Gillmeister, Ryan, or TPG for that matter. They don't get up hurting.

Most importantly, we should never allow him to stand between the ball and where we want it to go. The gap between his service and what we saw from Turpin last Friday is ever widening.

That said, I'm not convinced Luke is much better. If it came down to a choice between them as a backup, backup hooker, I'd go with Macca simply because he's the kind of bloke you want around the clubhouse.

There is no contest in a preference between Macca and Luke as a Backup Hooker because one is on almost 6 times the salary of the other.

For that same reason, it's exceedingly unlikely Newcastle will want to keep him around in a Backup Dummy Half role. Blake Green's immediate transfer is only a further nail in that coffin.

They'll run Brailey, who they paid handsomely for and went out on a limb to recruit as he's an up and coming talent they can get years of service out of, and they'll use any one of Watson, Hoy, Crossland or Kurt Mann to back him up in that role.

Retaining Macca at more than half a million dollars would be ridiculous for them to entertain, and even if we subsidised it by half, it's still a dubious prospect at best.

 

[McHunt]

There is no contest in a preference between Macca and Luke as a Backup Hooker because one is one almost 6 times the salary of the other.

For that same reason, it's exceedingly unlikely Newcastle will want to keep him around in a Backup Dummy Half role. Blake Green's immediate transfer is only a further nail in that coffin.

They'll run Brailey, who they paid handsomely for and went out on a limb to recruit as he's an up and coming talent they can get years of service out of, and they'll use any one of Watson, Hoy, Crossland or Kurt Mann to back him up in that role.

Retaining Macca at more than half a million dollars would be ridiculous for them to entertain, and even if we subsidised it by half, it's still a dubious prospect at best.

You're full of bad news today. **** you and your perfect sense.

 

[Kooly87]

Nick has been at the club since the 1970's and has saved them I honestly don't think he'd do anything dodgy. He surrounds himself and his club with the best people, he doesn't need to be dodgy just good at your job.

I have no problem with recruiting the best, but in a salary capped environment at both football team and back office level, eventually recruiting the 'best' people in every role should put you at loggerheads with the salary limits imposed. Well, it certainly does at every other club at least.

As I said, it's possible they really are just all working and staying for less money because Uncle Nick really is the greatest Administrator that ever drew breath. It's just that every other time that story get's told in Rugby League it turned out later to be far from the truth.

 

[Dazza 92]

Im not sure how successful or not Kurt Mann would be at hooker...

Neither do i give 2 ***** either...

Im trying to build my platform to run for Broncos CEO role for 2021 not Newcastles...

 

[HarryAllan7]

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[theshed]

So if Ikin becomes CEO, do you think he'll hire Walters as head coach? He seems to be a fan.

Here's what he thinks of TPJ:

I love TPJ but his comments relating to keeping Fifita were spot on and is what a good club would’ve initiated.
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Maybe there’s a thing or two we can learn from the roosters about not being fully above board.

 

[Kooly87]

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To assume the Roosters are just magically amazing at roster management relative to everyone else would be to ignore the extensive history that Rugby League clubs who make those sort of claims about themselves regularly have in cheating the salary cap and getting caught out over it later.

As I said, tales about Uncle Nick's bad run of golfing losses don't just come out of thin air. It would be fanciful to genuinely believe otherwise.

 

[Sproj]

So we should move the best young Prop in the game to the Second Row where he's never played before, then move our first gun Lock in years into the Front Row for reasons, just to squeeze in a largely past it Dummy Half who has never played even a minute of Lock Forward at NRL level.

I'll give you this, it definitely sounds like something Anthony Siebold would try.

Yes it sounds crazy I agree and I don't know if it will work but here is my rationale: Haas is excellent at making metres but he is struggling badly in defense. There is a reason sides are strolling up the middle against the Broncos but look how much better they looked with Turpin, a noted defender, out there with him. This side needs another 'glue' in the middle.

This side goes to puss when another team brings some fire. They retreat before the opposition arrives and the worst offender at this is (at least from what my eyes tell me)...Haas. Haas has the mobility and motor of a second-rower but if he plays less minutes in the front row, this might also help with that. The side is getting pummelled through the middle and Carrigan can do at 8 / 10 what he does at 13 just as well.

 

[theshed]

Yes it sounds crazy I agree and I don't know if it will work but here is my rationale: Haas is excellent at making metres but he is struggling badly in defense. There is a reason sides are strolling up the middle against the Broncos but look how much better they looked with Turpin, a noted defender, out there with him. This side needs another 'glue' in the middle.

This side goes to puss when another team brings some fire. They retreat before the opposition arrives and the worst offender at this is (at least from what my eyes tell me)...Haas. Haas has the mobility and motor of a second-rower but if he plays less minutes in the front row, this might also help with that. The side is getting pummelled through the middle and Carrigan can do at 8 / 10 what he does at 13 just as well.

I think a bit part of it is to do with Sei-word being useless at bench use.

 

[McHunt]

This side goes to puss when another team brings some fire.

Meeow!

 

[pagey]

So if Ikin becomes CEO, do you think he'll hire Walters as head coach? He seems to be a fan.

Here's what he thinks of TPJ:

Well that ship has sailed , I wander with he thinks about him now after losing Fifita.

 

[Morkel]

I'd inquire if Moose wants to come back, they'd be on similar money and regardless of his personality, he never gives less than 120%.

I've been thinking the last few weeks about what we could have done differently in terms of retention recently, especially in terms of our "lack of experienced leaders". Thinking of who we've lost, it looks like, in hindsight, moving on McGuire hurt us more than we expected.

This is all completely hindsight of course. There was little, if any, arguments against him leaving, especially considering we had Arrow and then Carrigan waiting in the wings. And of course the rumours of him being a rat, and of him antagonising the younger forwards. And being a grub.

But one thing that was indisputable was that he was a leader and a winner. At training, Corey Parker used to talk about having to sink or swim while the leaders like Webcke used to rough them up and show them who was boss. Parker then apparently instilled that same hard edge on McGuire as he became top dog, and then McGuire kept that same intensity when he became a senior player. Maybe our sooky forwards needed more of that, they need that hard edge, and if they weren't able to stand up to being "bullied" at training, what makes us think they have what it takes when the same happens to them on the field against opposition packs?

Just my thoughts.