NEWS Broncos playmaker plans on brink of collapse

Morepudding

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I think now the review is complete at St George Bird may be a chance to land there. Other options could be Souths, Tigers or panthers. A straght swap for croft with us paying the difference could work but Bird probably wants to go back to Sydney even though Melbourne is the better city.

I think we will keep Macca. Given our lack of experienced hookers and Segeyaro leaving in his ACDC tshirt we might have to hold onto him. Not many hookers in the market. Maybe Levi or Woolford but they lack experience.

Nobody wants Boyd. Maybe this proposed NYC team could take him. I think leaving in NYC may appeal to the Boyds.

I don't think letting Milford go to the Tigers and paying the freight is worth it. But I am strongly in the Milford camp and I am not sure Siebold is the same.
The NYC team doesn't even start until 2021 or something so that won't happen.

Milford won't be leaving. 100% he will be playing for Broncos in 2020 and 2021. He isn't our issue.

Bird leaving is definitely the best way to free up money for 2020. I don't think we will struggle to offer Fifita 700-800k for 2021. But if another club is willing to pay him $1m then we will need to let him go. He isn't worth $1m.
 

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Tallis is a flog but he did say that one particular playing agent has a lot of Broncos players on his books and could be considered as having too much power. Not sure if it was true, if it was I'm sure he would be yelling "I told you so" to anyone who would listen.
 

Alec

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Tallis is a flog but he did say that one particular playing agent has a lot of Broncos players on his books and could be considered as having too much power. Not sure if it was true, if it was I'm sure he would be yelling "I told you so" to anyone who would listen.
He isn't the first to say that, he's just copying what someone else said (I can't remember who) earlier this year. So I guess he can't really yell "I told you so". I think there was a thread about it?
 

Morepudding

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Isaac Moses.

He manages Seibold, Lodge, Pangai Jr, Turpin, Staggs, McCullough, Glenn, O'Sullivan, Kahu and Shibasaki. He also managed Fensom and Gillett.

The Fensom, Gillett and Kahu connection is very interesting.
I mean, Isaac Moses also manages like 100 other players in the comp.

I agree, the agents and players have too much power. Most of the players aren't even very professional. There's so many teams, and such little talent that they get away with it. The NRL needs to play hard ball with the RLPA and tell Smith to **** off. Every year a bunch of players in the news for bad things, they only play 25-30 rounds a year and have huge off time periods.

Most of the players don't even look that in shape etc. Seems crazy. No wonder people who were total professionals like SBW and Cronk did so well.
 

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Isaac Moses.

He manages Seibold, Lodge, Pangai Jr, Turpin, Staggs, McCullough, Glenn, O'Sullivan, Kahu and Shibasaki. He also managed Fensom and Gillett.

The Fensom, Gillett and Kahu connection is very interesting.
I thought a few days ago Moses was Boyds agent as well, but then it dawned on me when i read this its George Mimis and i had them confused.
 
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Big Pete

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I mean, Isaac Moses also manages like 100 other players in the comp.
But only three coaches - Seibold, Kearney & O'Brien. Moses' influence came into question around the time of the Nikorima deal which took care itself very conviniently. Sort of like, we'll do you a favour here, if you do a favour for another one of my clients.

Brisbane aren't the only club that have to deal with it, but he has plenty of hooks in the club at the moment.

Before the Nikorima incident, I believe the most high profile story surrounding him was his dealings with Sydney. They were furious with him after he screwed them over Mitchell Moses, but they had to bite their tongues and make peace to get Teddy. Teddy has since left Moses and the only Moses affiliated player is Billy Smith - a rookie centre.
 
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ostin86

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Maybe the NRL itself needs to enforce some kind of quota for player managers on number of clients they can represent. With power comes corruption and the last thing the game needs is to give too much power to these manager wankers.
 

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Maybe the NRL itself needs to enforce some kind of quota for player managers on number of clients they can represent. With power comes corruption and the last thing the game needs is to give too much power to these manager wankers.
It's a tough one because players can have whoever they want as their manager... and managers are usually there early on in the player's career to guide them through to professionalism. So if you punish the manager you can inadvertently punish yourself by disenfranchising the player of someone who they have grown up with and guided them in their career.

The argument being that it is highly unlikely a guy like Isaac Moses has been with and guided 100's of players through their career and it is more likely he has "appeared" at the end promising them a million dollars after they clearly look like they can make it.

I think the NRL just need to be strong with corruption associated with player agents and ensure they have a suitable whistle blowers policy.... because it has to be identified with clear evidence that these guys are corrupting the system.

If a player manager is being corrupt with a club the club would be the whistle blower and the manager should then be banned from ever being associated with the NRL. Clubs and recruitment teams would have emails and more as evidence to present to the NRL for these guys to be banned, but clearly they must be worried about a softly softly punishment from the NRL on the agent and losing their best talent. Instead if corruption is presented them they should be banned from formally representing a player in the NRL.

The concern the NRL would have is if the player manager takes his talent to a different code (and by talent I clearly mean the players he has in his stable).

I think one thing this Latrell scenario is showing though is that no player is irreplaceable. At one point this year he was being classed as a million dollar player and potentially best player in the comp (albeit that was rumbo buzz's opinion so who gives a ****)... but next minute teams are pulling away because they ain't paying that much for what he brings.

The NRL just needs to be strong against the player agents. Yes some will be lost to the code to follow their player agent to European Rugby, but really the players who want to be anything but a "professional athlete" will come back after seeing that the grass isn't always greener.

And there will still be NRL clubs willing to give them what they are worth despite which ever wanker is on the other end of the phone call
 
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ostin86

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But only three coaches - Seibold, Kearney & O'Brien. Moses' influence came into question around the time of the Nikorima deal which took care itself very conviniently. Sort of like, we'll do you a favour here, if you do a favour for another one of my clients.

Brisbane aren't the only club that have to deal with it, but he has plenty of hooks in the club at the moment.

Before the Nikorima incident, I believe the most high profile story surrounding him was his dealings with Sydney. They were furious with him after he screwed them over Mitchell Moses, but they had to bite their tongues and make peace to get Teddy. Teddy has since left Moses and the only Moses affiliated player is Billy Smith - a rookie centre.
As much as I dispise the Roosters I actually respect their stance. The health and success of their club is obviously their main priority. It seems to me like out club puts the $$$ before everything else these days. Meanwhile our onfield results are suffering.
- Merged

It's a tough one because players can have whoever they want as their manager... and managers are usually there early on in the player's career to guide them through to professionalism. So if you punish the manager you can inadvertently punish yourself by disenfranchising the player of someone who they have grown up with and guided them in their career.

The argument being that it is highly unlikely a guy like Isaac Moses has been with and guided 100's of players through their career and it is more likely he has "appeared" at the end promising them a million dollars after they clearly look like they can make it.

I think the NRL just need to be strong with corruption associated with player agents and ensure they have a suitable whistle blowers policy.... because it has to be identified with clear evidence that these guys are corrupting the system.

If a player manager is being corrupt with a club the club would be the whistle blower and the manager should then be banned from ever being associated with the NRL. Clubs and recruitment teams would have emails and more as evidence to present to the NRL for these guys to be banned, but clearly they must be worried about a softly softly punishment from the NRL on the agent and losing their best talent. Instead if corruption is presented them they should be banned from formally representing a player in the NRL.

The concern the NRL would have is if the player manager takes his talent to a different code (and by talent I clearly mean the players he has in his stable).

I think one thing this Latrell scenario is showing though is that no player is irreplaceable. At one point this year he was being classed as a million dollar player and potentially best player in the comp (albeit that was rumbo buzz's opinion so who gives a ****)... but next minute teams are pulling away because they ain't paying that much for what he brings.

The NRL just needs to be strong against the player agents. Yes some will be lost to the code to follow their player agent to European Rugby, but really the players who want to be anything but a "professional athlete" will come back after seeing that the grass isn't always greener.

And there will still be NRL clubs willing to give them what they are worth despite which ever wanker is on the other end of the phone call
I have no idea how the NRL police it. But having over 1/5 of all NRL players under your representation seems absolutely absurd to me.
 
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