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[Morepudding]

Isaac Moses.

He manages Seibold, Lodge, Pangai Jr, Turpin, Staggs, McCullough, Glenn, O'Sullivan, Kahu and Shibasaki. He also managed Fensom and Gillett.

The Fensom, Gillett and Kahu connection is very interesting.

I mean, Isaac Moses also manages like 100 other players in the comp.

I agree, the agents and players have too much power. Most of the players aren't even very professional. There's so many teams, and such little talent that they get away with it. The NRL needs to play hard ball with the RLPA and tell Smith to **** off. Every year a bunch of players in the news for bad things, they only play 25-30 rounds a year and have huge off time periods.

Most of the players don't even look that in shape etc. Seems crazy. No wonder people who were total professionals like SBW and Cronk did so well.

 

[Wolfie]

Isaac Moses.

He manages Seibold, Lodge, Pangai Jr, Turpin, Staggs, McCullough, Glenn, O'Sullivan, Kahu and Shibasaki. He also managed Fensom and Gillett.

The Fensom, Gillett and Kahu connection is very interesting.

I thought a few days ago Moses was Boyds agent as well, but then it dawned on me when i read this its George Mimis and i had them confused.

 

[Big Pete]

I mean, Isaac Moses also manages like 100 other players in the comp.

But only three coaches - Seibold, Kearney & O'Brien. Moses' influence came into question around the time of the Nikorima deal which took care itself very conviniently. Sort of like, we'll do you a favour here, if you do a favour for another one of my clients.

Brisbane aren't the only club that have to deal with it, but he has plenty of hooks in the club at the moment.

Before the Nikorima incident, I believe the most high profile story surrounding him was his dealings with Sydney. They were furious with him after he screwed them over Mitchell Moses, but they had to bite their tongues and make peace to get Teddy. Teddy has since left Moses and the only Moses affiliated player is Billy Smith - a rookie centre.

 

[Alec]

The one thing I like about Don Nick is how he apparently just tells Isaac Moses to **** off.

 

[ostin86]

Maybe the NRL itself needs to enforce some kind of quota for player managers on number of clients they can represent. With power comes corruption and the last thing the game needs is to give too much power to these manager wankers.

 

[BroncsFan]

Maybe the NRL itself needs to enforce some kind of quota for player managers on number of clients they can represent. With power comes corruption and the last thing the game needs is to give too much power to these manager wankers.

It's a tough one because players can have whoever they want as their manager... and managers are usually there early on in the player's career to guide them through to professionalism. So if you punish the manager you can inadvertently punish yourself by disenfranchising the player of someone who they have grown up with and guided them in their career.

The argument being that it is highly unlikely a guy like Isaac Moses has been with and guided 100's of players through their career and it is more likely he has "appeared" at the end promising them a million dollars after they clearly look like they can make it.

I think the NRL just need to be strong with corruption associated with player agents and ensure they have a suitable whistle blowers policy.... because it has to be identified with clear evidence that these guys are corrupting the system.

If a player manager is being corrupt with a club the club would be the whistle blower and the manager should then be banned from ever being associated with the NRL. Clubs and recruitment teams would have emails and more as evidence to present to the NRL for these guys to be banned, but clearly they must be worried about a softly softly punishment from the NRL on the agent and losing their best talent. Instead if corruption is presented them they should be banned from formally representing a player in the NRL.

The concern the NRL would have is if the player manager takes his talent to a different code (and by talent I clearly mean the players he has in his stable).

I think one thing this Latrell scenario is showing though is that no player is irreplaceable. At one point this year he was being classed as a million dollar player and potentially best player in the comp (albeit that was rumbo buzz's opinion so who gives a ****)... but next minute teams are pulling away because they ain't paying that much for what he brings.

The NRL just needs to be strong against the player agents. Yes some will be lost to the code to follow their player agent to European Rugby, but really the players who want to be anything but a "professional athlete" will come back after seeing that the grass isn't always greener.

And there will still be NRL clubs willing to give them what they are worth despite which ever wanker is on the other end of the phone call

 

[ostin86]

But only three coaches - Seibold, Kearney & O'Brien. Moses' influence came into question around the time of the Nikorima deal which took care itself very conviniently. Sort of like, we'll do you a favour here, if you do a favour for another one of my clients.

Brisbane aren't the only club that have to deal with it, but he has plenty of hooks in the club at the moment.

Before the Nikorima incident, I believe the most high profile story surrounding him was his dealings with Sydney. They were furious with him after he screwed them over Mitchell Moses, but they had to bite their tongues and make peace to get Teddy. Teddy has since left Moses and the only Moses affiliated player is Billy Smith - a rookie centre.

As much as I dispise the Roosters I actually respect their stance. The health and success of their club is obviously their main priority. It seems to me like out club puts the $$$ before everything else these days. Meanwhile our onfield results are suffering.
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It's a tough one because players can have whoever they want as their manager... and managers are usually there early on in the player's career to guide them through to professionalism. So if you punish the manager you can inadvertently punish yourself by disenfranchising the player of someone who they have grown up with and guided them in their career.

The argument being that it is highly unlikely a guy like Isaac Moses has been with and guided 100's of players through their career and it is more likely he has "appeared" at the end promising them a million dollars after they clearly look like they can make it.

I think the NRL just need to be strong with corruption associated with player agents and ensure they have a suitable whistle blowers policy.... because it has to be identified with clear evidence that these guys are corrupting the system.

If a player manager is being corrupt with a club the club would be the whistle blower and the manager should then be banned from ever being associated with the NRL. Clubs and recruitment teams would have emails and more as evidence to present to the NRL for these guys to be banned, but clearly they must be worried about a softly softly punishment from the NRL on the agent and losing their best talent. Instead if corruption is presented them they should be banned from formally representing a player in the NRL.

The concern the NRL would have is if the player manager takes his talent to a different code (and by talent I clearly mean the players he has in his stable).

I think one thing this Latrell scenario is showing though is that no player is irreplaceable. At one point this year he was being classed as a million dollar player and potentially best player in the comp (albeit that was rumbo buzz's opinion so who gives a ****)... but next minute teams are pulling away because they ain't paying that much for what he brings.

The NRL just needs to be strong against the player agents. Yes some will be lost to the code to follow their player agent to European Rugby, but really the players who want to be anything but a "professional athlete" will come back after seeing that the grass isn't always greener.

And there will still be NRL clubs willing to give them what they are worth despite which ever wanker is on the other end of the phone call

I have no idea how the NRL police it. But having over 1/5 of all NRL players under your representation seems absolutely absurd to me.

 

[Hoof Hearted]

I must be missing something like how tight our cap is but I just don’t understand why quality half backs aren’t lining up to play behind a pack that has David and Payne and matty in there eating up the metres and laying the platform and will do so for many more years. Just seems strange.

 

[broncos4life]

I must be missing something like how tight our cap is but I just don’t understand why quality half backs aren’t lining up to play behind a pack that has David and Payne and matty in there eating up the metres and laying the platform and will do so for many more years. Just seems strange.

Because a majority of players care about money only not performance.

 

[Wolfie]

Because a majority of players care about money only not performance.

Thats the same in most jobs. Its the paycheck that matters most.

 

[Wolfie]

Can’t say that’s true for me at all. Lifestyle is everything.

I'm not sure how your job is your lifestyle. Not being a smartass, but could you explain that one to me?

For me, i work, try to earn good money so i can life a good lifestyle. The pay is important to me so i can life the life i want and make sure my family is secure.

 

[Wolfie]

It’s about how the job impacts your preferred lifestyle. For example, I value time over money, and also freedom to freelance or do a hobby business. So flexibility, location, how stressful/preparation, out of hours work etc.

Money ain’t everything.

But you couldnt do any of what you want without money. I dont disagree you have to find something that suits your needs and have that work/life balance, you dont want to be slogging your guts out. I also agree money isnt everything, but i also think at the same time its extremely important in a lot of respects as you cant really do a great deal in life without it.

I do find people who dont stress too much about money are people who are struggling for money. I'm lucky now i have a great lifestyle and a good job, but i've been in the position where i've had to survive on under $500 a fortnight, and thats pretty shitty. I had plenty of time to do things, but you cant do a lot when you are just scraping by.
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Plus, I’m not sure how your job ISN’T your lifestyle. If lifestyle means the style in which you (most times choose to) live, then besides sleep, it may be the biggest single factor in how you choose to live.

Honestly, my job isnt my lifestyle, its a means to an end. It provides me with the ability to do what i want to do in my sparetime. I'd pretty much do anything that paid well ( legal of course ).

 

[ostin86]

Honestly, my job isnt my lifestyle, its a means to an end. It provides me with the ability to do what i want to do in my sparetime.

@Wolfie I have said this same thing so many times in my life. There are far too many people out there chasing $'s and incredibly unhappy because of it.

 

[Wolfie]

@Wolfie I have said this same thing so many times in my life. There are far too many people out there chasing $'s and incredibly unhappy because of it.

I wouldnt do a job that gave me no time to do what i want to do. I'm not saying chase the money at all costs, but i agree with @soup as well, you have to have the right balance in the way you do it.

 

[broncos4life]

I'm not sure how your job is your lifestyle. Not being a smartass, but could you explain that one to me?

For me, i work, try to earn good money so i can life a good lifestyle. The pay is important to me so i can life the life i want and make sure my family is secure.

In my case I could earn more elsewhere, in fact have been offered considerably more twice this year (not trying to sound up myself just providing context). I stay where I am because they let me work several days at home which means I can drop off and pick up my kids from school. They also have realistic expectations and it’s a non-stressful environment so I can do my best work and not bring home the stress as has been the case in other jobs.

So yes, it is quiet reasonable for people not to go to the highest bidder.

 

[Wolfie]

In my case I could earn more elsewhere, in fact have been offered considerably more twice this year (not trying to sound up myself just providing context). I stay where I am because they let me work several days at home which means I can drop off and pick up my kids from school. They also have realistic expectations and it’s a non-stressful environment so I can do my best work and not bring home the stress as has been the case in other jobs.

So yes, it is quiet reasonable for people not to go to the highest bidder.

But by the sound of it ( not trying to be disrespectful, you arent on 40k a year. If you are on a decent wage, you can be a bit more choosy, and i totally understand that. Sometimes you can be in a position to earn a little less to stay happier. Sometimes, you cant.

 

[Huge]

It’s about how the job impacts your preferred lifestyle. For example, I value time over money, and also freedom to freelance or do a hobby business. So flexibility, location, how stressful/preparation, out of hours work etc.

Money ain’t everything.

How's sitting around going? Managing all that leisure time getting fat ha ha! Kidding of course!

 

[Sproj]

@Wolfie I have said this same thing so many times in my life. There are far too many people out there chasing $'s and incredibly unhappy because of it.

There is truth in both sides though. If I really wanted, I’d be a barista but it isn’t going to pay the bills.