Broncos Roster, Signings and Rumours Discussion 2021

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Fozz said:
Watson is a good player but watching the Knights/Cowboys game makes me wonder if Klemmer could be available. I'm of the opinion that starting or playing off the bench is equally important but maybe his ego is bruised and he could be enticed up here.

He's a NSW prick but still a good hardnosed workhorse who would complement Haas.
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He's on like $800k at knights (I think it's even been suggested that he's on a million)... and looks to be one of those props that are starting to be phased out.

Lodge is better than him and was cheaper.

If you wanted a workhorse prop then should just go after Woods or Tolman
 
Stu_9 said:
Should offer Watson a couple of years. if we are going with Turpin for 2022, he’d be great to have coming off the bench and he can cover just about anywhere. Plus he is best mates with Ponga, so would be handy having him around if we do decide to make a play for ponga.
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I think it would be a smart move if they want to make a play for ponga.. he could come by 23 if he doesn't take up his player options, but then you still need a fullback for next year. Walsh might get homesick by then tòo
 
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From the off contract forwards I would be most interested in:
- Finucane ... reckon you could get him for $600k, but wouldn't want to go too long
- Tolman ... workhorse prop, know what you're going to get, would likely be cheap. Does a fair bit of clean up defence in the middle
- Woods ... pending an earlier comment about his knee. I would say he is the similar mold as Tolman, but slightly better. May not be as mobile in the middle defence
- Asiata ... would propose to keep on a very cheap deal and see how he goes after the surgery

Might also be interested in Lui, but he's not really an experienced forward. He does fit that mobile middle forward that you seem to need nowadays.
 
For me, the three signings we need to make for next year are Dufty (short term deal), Mann and Connor Watson. Will change our team so much, inject a bit of pace and will make our team more suited to post covid rules
 
nopatience101 said:
Dufty’s camp apparently approached the Waratahs & they even said no. Obviously no one wants him in the NRL, gotta be a good reason beyond just his football ability.
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he ran over us but most of what I've seen from him after that game has been below average at best, horrendous at worst. This is what the dragqueen fans complain about - he either turns up or doesn't bother. Must be some serious arseclownery going on if no club will touch him though.
 
Locky888 said:
Man Jake Clifford was a shrewd pick-up for the Knights. Missed opportunity for the Broncos.
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Not sure if I've seen too much from Clifford just yet.

He's got a massive boot on him, but so far he can only really use it for floating bombs.

I've not seen much else from him in regards to ball playing, running, etc.

I thought Clifford was better a few years back when he was having to run the show on his own because of Morgan's injuries, but he's been used in lesser roles since then.

I'd say he needs a few years in ISC running the show on his own.
 
Haas’ position in that list is certainly laughable compared to some of the players above him, but how much do we think he is really worth? I’d be interested to see how much people think we should pay for him.

It may be an unpopular opinion (especially since Haas is easily our best player), but I’m not sure he’s worth more than $700k, maybe $800k absolute max.

He’s EXTREMELY productive and makes huge metres, but there’s a lot of elements lacking in his game… he’s a lazy and poor defender (particularly close to the line), he lacks any sort of mongrel or leadership ability like always being there to take the hard hit up to steady the ship (like Webcke) and although he makes a lot of metres he rarely bends the line and creates opportunities for other middles through offloads or quick PTBs.

He’s still extremely young, so I hope we see him develop and work on some of these areas and grow into a top flight front rower (because god knows he has the talent and physical attributes to be one of the greatest of all time). I think some of this lack of development can also be placed on us for using him as a battering ram for 80 mins so consistently since coming into first grade. He has been lacklustre at best in his rep appearances and has achieved a great deal even with these shortcomings, but I don’t think he will ever be a really elite player unless he goes to the next level (same as Ponga).

I don’t think a defensively soft, metre-eating front rower is worth more than $800k / year, and at the moment that’s all Haas has shown that he is. I hope when it comes time to restructure he isn’t looking for a Fifita style payday, because if he is then I’d be inclined to let him go elsewhere.
 
HarryAllan7 said:
Haas’ position in that list is certainly laughable compared to some of the players above him, but how much do we think he is really worth? I’d be interested to see how much people think we should pay for him.

It may be an unpopular opinion (especially since Haas is easily our best player), but I’m not sure he’s worth more than $700k, maybe $800k absolute max.

He’s EXTREMELY productive and makes huge metres, but there’s a lot of elements lacking in his game… he’s a lazy and poor defender (particularly close to the line), he lacks any sort of mongrel or leadership ability like always being there to take the hard hit up to steady the ship (like Webcke) and although he makes a lot of metres he rarely bends the line and creates opportunities for other middles through offloads or quick PTBs.

He’s still extremely young, so I hope we see him develop and work on some of these areas and develop into a top flight front rower (because god knows he has the talent and physical attributes to be one of the greatest of all time). I think some of this lack of development can also be placed on us for using him as a battering ram for 80 mins so consistently since coming into first grade.

I don’t think a defensively soft, metre-eating front rower is worth more than $800k / year, and at the moment that’s all Haas has shown that he is. I hope when it comes time to restructure he isn’t looking for a Fifita style payday, because if he is then I’d be inclined to let him go elsewhere.
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Well said. You see the massive metres and workrate he gets through and they are phenomenal, particularly for his age and that makes you think he is overall elite, which he absolutely is in that part of the game.

Then you look at his defense and while his numbers are good, you notice that he is a bit of a pillow when you watch and goal line defense is, as you said, really poor. He is not yet a finished product but goodness me he is well on his way there.

So all in all, you would need to pay a bit of a premium due to that nasty word 'potential' but he is comfortable the best prop in his age group by far, that is worth something.

The problem is though, no prop should be worth 800k ever, it screws the balance of your side, so I'd say he is worth 700-750k max.
 
Sproj said:
Well said. You see the massive metres and workrate he gets through and they are phenomenal, particularly for his age and that makes you think he is overall elite, which he absolutely is in that part of the game.

Then you look at his defense and while his numbers are good, you notice that he is a bit of a pillow when you watch and goal line defense is, as you said, really poor. He is not yet a finished product but goodness me he is well on his way there.

So all in all, you would need to pay a bit of a premium due to that nasty word 'potential' but he is comfortable the best prop in his age group by far, that is worth something.

The problem is though, no prop should be worth 800k ever, it screws the balance of your side, so I'd say he is worth 700-750k max.
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No prop should be playing 80 minutes either. With the amount of metres he gets through there’s no way he’s going to be defending strongly no matter how fit he is.
 
HarryAllan7 said:
Haas’ position in that list is certainly laughable compared to some of the players above him, but how much do we think he is really worth? I’d be interested to see how much people think we should pay for him.

It may be an unpopular opinion (especially since Haas is easily our best player), but I’m not sure he’s worth more than $700k, maybe $800k absolute max.

He’s EXTREMELY productive and makes huge metres, but there’s a lot of elements lacking in his game… he’s a lazy and poor defender (particularly close to the line), he lacks any sort of mongrel or leadership ability like always being there to take the hard hit up to steady the ship (like Webcke) and although he makes a lot of metres he rarely bends the line and creates opportunities for other middles through offloads or quick PTBs.

He’s still extremely young, so I hope we see him develop and work on some of these areas and grow into a top flight front rower (because god knows he has the talent and physical attributes to be one of the greatest of all time). I think some of this lack of development can also be placed on us for using him as a battering ram for 80 mins so consistently since coming into first grade. He has been lacklustre at best in his rep appearances and has achieved a great deal even with these shortcomings, but I don’t think he will ever be a really elite player unless he goes to the next level (same as Ponga).

I don’t think a defensively soft, metre-eating front rower is worth more than $800k / year, and at the moment that’s all Haas has shown that he is. I hope when it comes time to restructure he isn’t looking for a Fifita style payday, because if he is then I’d be inclined to let him go elsewhere.
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He bends the line every run I don't get how you can say he rarely bends the line, he's absolutely elite ball in hand. He has the occasional defensive lapse but it's almost entirely bad coaching in that he's overused and the team as a whole spends 70 minutes defending and 10 minutes attacking. He'll get better with age in that department.

To answer your question, I think he's worth 650-700k but then I'm firmly in the camp of no prop is worth 800k.
 
The two things i think Haas really lacks are physicality and mongrel. People are rightly in awe of how big a motor and how agile he is for his size, but i think there is still a fair bit in his game that needs plenty of work, and i'm still not convinced he is up there talent wise with some of the other great forwards, he is just great at making meters. I'm not sure you can teach a player to have that physicality and mongrel he needs either, its something you have or you dont.
 
Wolfie said:
The two things i think Haas really lacks are physicality and mongrel. People are rightly in awe of how big a motor and how agile he is for his size, but i think there is still a fair bit in his game that needs plenty of work, and i'm still not convinced he is up there talent wise with some of the other great forwards, he is just great at making meters. I'm not sure you can teach a player to have that physicality and mongrel he needs either, its something you have or you dont.
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I agree 100%. So who can we get to provide the mongrel in the forwards?
 
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