Broncos v Dragons - Pre & Post-Game Discussion

[bianc]

He made a few dodgy calls, and a stupid decision referring a forward pass to the video ref. Other than that, he was solid I thought.

How the hell can you even refer a forward pass! (I know you cant do it im just wondering how?)

I think he was checking for a knock on, but it was clearly a forward pass. Obviously the video ref couldn't make a call, so he just referred it back via refs call. Was quite stupid.

ill have to disagree, the camera angle that was played, after the decision was made mind you, that was from diagonally behind kemp showed the ball was thrown backwards and then drifted forward from the way it was thrown and then dribbled along the ground.

the crap gould went on about the touchjudge stopping was BS as he kept going and only slowed down so he could watch the put down. my opinion it should have been a try.

additionally has anyone else noticed on the odd occasion that after some video ref decisions are made and the coverage shows a replay using an angle not used in the decision making process that was the perfect one to use?

He cannot do that. There was nothing at all the video ref could see wrong with that try, he cannot call on a forward pass, so he should not have gone back to the ref. Wrong. Cost us the game no matter whether anyone thinks we played good or bad. He broke the rules.

Agree Hammo. Can't see why all the negative talk about how bad the guys were. Defence on the line was crap to let soft tries in fair enough and Parker needed a boot at times especially. All up thought they were pretty good with what they had missing out there tonight.

Crap to the people who booed Dell to. He was a hero for our club and didn't deserve that shit.

 

[Chumba]

Gotta luv big Del, he's great for the game. Take one of him for a million Mundiney Bill Williams.

 

[Clintos]

I think the video ref referring it back was fair enough. He couldn't make a decision. He would have been in trouble if he had of just called it a try. Plus, the ref would have been in strife as well.

 

[nopatience101]

we had the dragons in the first 30 and shoulda put the foot down, but again couldnt, we have really struggled to put teams to the sword this year but it doesnt help when we havnt had the same 17 week to week....

 

[bianc]

I think the video ref referring it back was fair enough. He couldn't make a decision. He would have been in trouble if he had of just called it a try. Plus, the ref would have been in strife as well.

NO he can't do that. There was nothing wrong with the try. He did not have to go back to the ref at all. Pass was gone. Over. Tries are scored all the time on forward passes and the video ref cannot have a say. What else could he find wrong with the try? Nothing. Cost us the game.

 

[Clintos]

I think the video ref referring it back was fair enough. He couldn't make a decision. He would have been in trouble if he had of just called it a try. Plus, the ref would have been in strife as well.

NO he can't do that. There was nothing wrong with the try. He did not have to go back to the ref at all. Pass was gone. Over. Tries are scored all the time on forward passes and the video ref cannot have a say. What else could he find wrong with the try? Nothing. Cost us the game.

The pass looked pretty forward to me. It was the fairest option. Yes, it was a stupid decision by Maxwell. The video ref can't rule on nothing, so he had to give it back to the ref.

 

[bianc]

[icon_thumbs_do [icon_non [icon_non [icon_non [icon_non [icon_non (Phil Gould).TRY BRONCS

 

[Bull Shark]

After the past 2 weeks the Broncos are finals fodder, call me what you want but there is no defending the poor preformances the Broncos are dishing out, its just been rubbish.

absolutely, a "straight-sets" exit is imminent ... if what we're seeing from them at the moment remains the way ...

 

[Spec]

Why does Robinson get picked? I've never seen a winger with as little confidence under the high ball as him.. he makes Leon Bott look like a god.

 

[Clintos]

If a full strength Broncos outfit puts in a similar performance...then I will be much more positive towards that.

 

[Steve]

Every 50/50 call went their way. Maxwell is a **** - worst refereeing performance I've ever seen and I'm not just saying it because I hate St George and I can't cop losing to them. Most of his decisions were pathetic. We were monstered at the ruck and he should have done something about it.

Anyway all that aside we should have put them to the sword in the last 10 mins of the first half. Hopefully the players watch the replay and learn to attack while defending i.e move up and not sit stationary. It killed us tonight.
Top 4 is NOW gone. A shame because we're good enough to be there but we haven't stepped up when it counted.

 

[Clintos]

[icon_thumbs_do [icon_non [icon_non [icon_non [icon_non [icon_non (Phil Gould).TRY BRONCS

Phil Gould is an idiot. Andrew Voss said it was no try, so you are just choosing one side of it. Looked forward to me.

 

[Coxy]

maxwell turned the game for mine. but we werent the first team to suffer similar fate, and unfortunately we wont be the last.

Just so I dont stay up to watch an apparantly shit game - how good/bad was the ref?

He had some absolute clangers. And before I go into it, I will say that the Dragons were far and away the better team in the second half especially. I just think the following list of clangers shows how much easier it was made for the Dragons.

1. First half. Jason Ryles loses the ball in a tackle. Simply a loose carry and heavy contact. Video ref rules a rake. Dragons penalty.

2. First half. Darren Lockyer takes an intercept, then Ryles is all over him and he loses it in the play the ball. Video ref looks at it, no dramas, knock on. I don't have a problem with that call, but the same should've gone for the Dragons one earlier.

3. Second half. Darren Lockyer knocks the ball down while making a tackle. No way he played at it. It was the 4th tackle. Maxwell gives Dragons 6 more tackles. On the 4th tackle of the new set (so 8th tackle really), Gasnier strolls over to put them in front.

4. Second half. Blatant forward pass while on the attack let go. On the last, bomb goes up, Gasnier scores to put them ahead 24-14.

5. 10 minutes to go. Kemp gets a rushed pass away, Manihera takes it and scores. Maxwell sends it up stairs presumably to check that Manihera picked it up cleanly, and to check Kemp didn't lose it in the tackle forward. Clearly shows Kemp was offloading so vid ref can't rule on whether it went forward, Manihera picks it up and grounds it cleanly. For some unknown reason, the vid ref says "ref's call"...and Maxwell, having seen it on the replay screen, rules it was forward! This is despite a) the touch judge standing in goal indicating he thought the pass was fine, and b) the ball was let go by Kemp and picked up by Manihera flat at WORST. Try would've made it 24-18 or 24-20 with 10 to go.

5 clangers. Very game changing.

I was disgusted. But that said, the Broncos didn't play well enough to deserve to win. And I better not read people writing Kemp off for his pass in the dying seconds that went over Manihera's head into touch. He a) scored the first try with great anticipation, and b) threw a beautiful ball for Manihera's try in the first half. He had a good game at fullback and showed he's not just a finisher. He also showed he's no K.

Oh, and a big UP YOURS to Hodges. Not saying the Broncos would've won the last 2 games had he played, but I guarantee we could've used his experience out there.

So yeah, UP YOURS HODGO YOU IMMATURE PRAT!

 

[Coxy]

I think the video ref referring it back was fair enough. He couldn't make a decision. He would have been in trouble if he had of just called it a try. Plus, the ref would have been in strife as well.

NO he can't do that. There was nothing wrong with the try. He did not have to go back to the ref at all. Pass was gone. Over. Tries are scored all the time on forward passes and the video ref cannot have a say. What else could he find wrong with the try? Nothing. Cost us the game.

The pass looked pretty forward to me. It was the fairest option. Yes, it was a stupid decision by Maxwell. The video ref can't rule on nothing, so he had to give it back to the ref.

My understanding is that in that situation Maxwell was asking "did he knock it on". The video referee's decision should be "no, he passed it, try". Not, "no, it was a pass I can't make a decision". If the referee thought it went forward, it doesn't MATTER if it was a pass or a knock on. So to refer it, he MUST have thought initially it was ok.

Therefore, the referee has made his decision based on what HE has seen on the big screen! That is appalling!

And read the fucking rule book on forward passes Clintos. If the ball is propelled BACKWARDS but floats forward that's fine. And that's what happened! Kemp let the ball go in a backward motion! That the ball went forward (and I'm still not sure it really did!) is IRRELEVANT.

 

[Coxy]

Crap to the people who booed Dell to. He was a hero for our club and didn't deserve that shit.

Oh piss off. He was an opposition player. He gets the same treatment any high profile opposition player gets, and it's deserved.

I like Dell, I love what he did for the Broncos, but he was wearing red and white and therefore fair game.

 

[Fozz]

Robinson, give yourself an upper cut. And learn to contest the high ball, Dell barely left the ground and there was no way Robinson would match him for strength so he should have contested. Dragons lifted after that try so everything turns on that.

And whoever hasn't coached him to take the high balls, give yourself an uppercut too.

Goal line defence was atrocious, they just strolled past us a few times. I don't know how much the loss of Hunt contributed to that but no excuse for those massive gaps.

I hate being a negative nelly but just so disappointed. A lot better effort than against the Warriors but not good enough.

 

[Coxy]

Robinson, give yourself an upper cut. And learn to contest the high ball, Dell barely left the ground and there was no way Robinson would match him for strength so he should have contested. Dragons lifted after that try so everything turns on that.

And whoever hasn't coached him to take the high balls, give yourself an uppercut too.

Goal line defence was atrocious, they just strolled past us a few times. I don't know how much the loss of Hunt contributed to that but no excuse for those massive gaps.

I hate being a negative nelly but just so disappointed. A lot better effort than against the Warriors but not good enough.

Agreed. The Cooper try was an absolute embarrassment! And note who the slow arses were coming across on the inside: Taylor and Kenny.

Poor, poor, poor.

The defence on the Gasnier first try was terrible too. Not on gasnier himself but the fact they stood still on the tryline waiting for the Dragons to run at them. You can't stop anyone like that!

Argh! Just so frustrated. So angry (sorry again Flutterby!).

 

[ethos]

5. 10 minutes to go. Kemp gets a rushed pass away, Manihera takes it and scores. Maxwell sends it up stairs presumably to check that Manihera picked it up cleanly, and to check Kemp didn't lose it in the tackle forward. Clearly shows Kemp was offloading so vid ref can't rule on whether it went forward, Manihera picks it up and grounds it cleanly. For some unknown reason, the vid ref says "ref's call"...and Maxwell, having seen it on the replay screen, rules it was forward! This is despite a) the touch judge standing in goal indicating he thought the pass was fine, and b) the ball was let go by Kemp and picked up by Manihera flat at WORST. Try would've made it 24-18 or 24-20 with 10 to go.

I know. As soon as the ref sent it upstairs it should have been a try.

The video ref can't rule on forward passes. Everything else about the try was 100% ok, it was obvious that no player knocked on and no players were offside etc. The only reason for the video ref saying refs call was because he had doubts over the pass. But the video ref shouldn't even be looking at or thinking about the pass in the first place. So it should have been a try as soon as the ref referred it!

And as Coxy said, the on field ref then made the decision after looking at the replay on the big screen!

Argghhh!!

And by the way the pass was probably forward but that's not the issue.