Controversial Opinions Thread

[Anonymous person]

Perhaps, but when you write in your own words that a part of you secretly hopes we bomb so you can feel smug about your predictions, it's pretty easy to draw this conclusion. Are you more interested in the team being successful, or being proven right on an internet forum? Pretty sad if it's the latter (as if it would mean that much??).

if I wrote it on here its not really a secret now is it? lol

I never said anything about hoping we fail so i can be right about my predictions - you 100% fabricated that yourself. nothing i said even remotely comes close to suggesting that. Learn to read.

If we got ricky stuart next year as our coach, with this team + milford, and we just improved on this year, no radical changes, and won the premiership then would you credit ricky stuart? I wouldn't, as it would be clear that he really didn't do that much. same goes for bennett. hes waltzing in to a team that is on the up and up, gaining a huge signing, and all the young guys are 1 year more experienced, all of which had nothing to do with bennett.

 

[Anonymous person]

What this all comes down to for some posters is:

If we struggle over the next 3 years it will be all Bennett's fault

If we are successful it will have nothing to do with Bennett and we would have been successful anyway

and for some it will be this (as has been proven by the excuses for his Newcastle tenure):

If we are successful over the next 3 years it will be all because of Bennett

If we struggle it will have nothing to do with Bennett and we would have been unsuccessful anyway

 

[CaptainHook]

Another controversial opinion I have is that Milford would not have made much difference this year. Sure, through sheer individual brilliance he may have jagged us an extra win or two and got us higher up the ladder but we would not have been legitimate contenders. At best, it would have been papering over the cracks as the flaws in the team would still be present (non-existent structures, lack of size and strength in the forwards, poor use of the bench etc).

In fact, even with Milford for the next 3 years, I doubt we would have put a ding in the premiership with Griffin. If we can't manage a bench properly then we're not legitimate threats for the trophy. Those are the sorts of things Bennett has been hired to fix.

 

[Porthoz]

That's right. I had changed ny mind because that's why i bother coming on here to have discussions. To express my opinion, listen to others and then review my opinion from that discussion. I see no point in coming on to push an opinion with blinkers on, oblivious to any difference in opinion others have, therefore never changing a viewpoint.

So like I say, I did want packer, I listened to all the points that others made and while maintaining that everyone makes big mistakes and is entitled to a second chance, decided that maybe signing packer would be a bad thing for the broncos. Then I thought about it and decided I would rather see the inevitable redemption story that is Russell Packer played out for the broncos, rather than it be another string in the bow of Ivan Cleary.

Perhaps actually engaging in discussion with an open mind instead of blindly pushing an agenda is controversial within itself.

Fair enough on the first two paragraphs.

I obviously disagree with having Packer at the Broncos or in the NRL for that matter, not because of blindly pushing an agenda, but because my morals, values and convictions don't sway according to which way the wind blows. The Packer issue for me, has nothing to do his worth on the footy field (which in itself is not that significant anyway).

I want the Broncos to do well, I want WB to do well, I want Boyd to do well if he comes, but I draw the line at Packer... not even the Broncos are above my values. A POS like him, who has little to no regard for human life, isn't worth of a NRL jumper, much less the Broncos one!

 

[azza.79]

I was in 339 when this happened to one of them, I'm thinking about four years ago.

Yeah, it definitely sounds like we all saw the same great moment in broncos cheerleading history, was hilarious how she didn't notice it had popped out lol

 

[Mr Fourex]

I can't buy into this belief that next year will be a premiership year. I'm hoping improvement.... maybe top 4, but without our Lazurus/Webke/Civo quality front rower, we still aren't quite the real deal. It'll take WB a season (or two?) to iron things out.

 

[john1420]

Only that's not it at all. Of course some will see it that way, but those people also don't actually understand what an agenda actually is. I'm not wanting us to lose to validate anything, let alone some made up agenda.

What I'm saying is that Bennett is coming back at the time when the Broncos are most likely to win a premiership even without him, but if they do win next year everyone will attribute it to Bennett even if its just because we have Hunt, Barba, and Milford playing out of their skin and nothing to do with coaching.

I don't want that. I don't want Bennetts sackriders getting more "look how great he is" ammunition for something that he barely played a role in. If he comes in, cleans house, buys some top talent and some good young guys, and changes from BennettBall and we win then sure, kudos to him and well deserved. If he comes in and we just play GriffinBall but with Milford and an extra year of experience and we win, Bennett doesn't deserve the credit.

Remember, this year we would've had a top 4 finish if not for about 10 minutes of terrible football and brain snaps over the season.

And if the club can eradicate those 10 minutes and brain snaps next year, who are you to say that isn't due to Benny's coaching?

To paraphrase, you are saying "if the team gets a better result in 2015 it's not the coaches doing, all that happened was the players played better"

And it's not like players playing better is anything to do with the coaching :noidea:

 

[Porthoz]

And if the club can eradicate those 10 minutes and brain snaps next year, who are you to say that isn't due to Benny's coaching?

To paraphrase, you are saying "if the team gets a better result in 2015 it's not the coaches doing, all that happened was the players played better"

And it's not like players playing better is anything to do with the coaching :noidea:

That is exactly what I expect from Wayne to be honest.

He will undoubtedly bring better coaching than Griffin, so I won't take away merit from him, but fact is he will inherit a quality roster, which imo only needs slight adjustments, especially taking into account who we have already recruited and the crop coming through.

Sincerely, I don't think WB will have any excuses to not perform at least at top 4 level, bar injuries.

 

[Socnorb]

That is exactly what I expect from Wayne to be honest.

He will undoubtedly bring better coaching than Griffin, so I won't take away merit from him, but fact is he will inherit a quality roster, which imo only needs slight adjustments, especially taking into account who we have already recruited and the crop coming through.

Sincerely, I don't think WB will have any excuses to not perform at least at top 4 level, bar injuries.

A quality roster that lacks punch in the forwards. that's what he's inheriting.

 

[Porthoz]

A quality roster that lacks punch in the forwards. that's what he's inheriting.

If there is something Wayne is really very good at, it's getting the most and best out of his forwards.

I think he can do a job with:

- Josh McGuire
- Ben Hannant
- Martin Kennedy
- Mitch Garbutt
- Jarred Wallace
- Mitchell Dodds
- David Hala
- Francis Molo
- Joe Ofahengaue

That's only for the prop positions!

P.S. The 2 most dominant teams of the last decade (Storm and Manly), didn't have "punch" in their forwards either...

 

[Socnorb]

If there is something Wayne is really very good at, it's getting the most and best out of his forwards.

I think he can do a job with:

- Josh McGuire
- Ben Hannant
- Martin Kennedy
- Mitch Garbutt
- Jarred Wallace
- Mitchell Dodds
- David Hala
- Francis Molo
- Joe Ofahengaue

That's only for the prop positions!

P.S. The 2 most dominant teams of the last decade (Storm and Manly), didn't have "punch" in their forwards either...

Yeah Mate I know who's in the side. Which is the one that bust the line like a brommich, Scott, Kasiano or one of the Burgess boys

 

[Broncoman]

Can we keep the Wayne Bennett discussion in the Wayne Bennett thread's whether they are controversial or not?

 

[Porthoz]

Yeah Mate I know who's in the side. Which is the one that bust the line like a brommich, Scott, Kasiano or one of the Burgess boys

Maybe Kennedy will, or Garbutt, or Molo, or Hala... or do you think Packer would? (he might actually, as other players might not want to tackle him, for fear of getting soiled with his bodily fluids.) Unless you know of another "busting" forward out there we should get...?

Do you believe a "busting" forward is required to make this team a premiership contender?

 

[Socnorb]

Maybe Kennedy will, or Garbutt, or Molo, or Hala... or do you think Packer would? (he might actually, as other players might not want to tackle him, for fear of getting soiled with his bodily fluids.) Unless you know of another "busting" forward out there we should get...?

Do you believe a "busting" forward is required to make this team a premiership contender?

Yes. the go forward against retreating defence is something we lacked. Guys like Hunt ,Barba and Milford will be twice as effective.

 

[gordjw]

Would also be nice to be able to turn teams like Souths around and put them into retreat.

 

[Porthoz]

Yes. the go forward against retreating defence is something we lacked. Guys like Hunt ,Barba and Milford will be twice as effective.

Sure, of course... it's always better to have that option, and I hope between the guys I mentioned, one or two will put their hand up.

But, unless I misread it, your post about Wayne inheriting this roster implied a criticism for not having one. Who do you think we could or should have had?

 

[Socnorb]

Sure, of course... it's always better to have that option, and I hope between the guys I mentioned, one or two will put their hand up.

But, unless I misread it, your post about Wayne inheriting this roster implied a criticism for not having one. Who do you think we could or should have had?

Maguire has the will but not the mass, Kennedy has the mass but not the will, Garbutt is untested. another offseason for Wallace could be interesting, and I thought Dodds was looking better before his injury. If you're asking who I'd sign, I don't really think there's anyone on the market except possibly Packer, who has ? marks in all directions. My controversial opinion is that the Broncos have lacked go forward, and by having more punch through the middle would solve a lot of our attacking problems.

 

[Porthoz]

I don't think Packer has the punch you'd want. The only think he has going for him imo, is intimidation.

I think fixing our defense is much more important tbh. Our attack is far from our issue, and the stats prove it, as only 4 clubs scored more points than us this season, and our kickers were Corey Parker and Ben Hunt.

But then again, nothing of the above is controversial...