Could Bennett take Taylor from Titans?

[BroncsFan]

That's not even close to reality. We do the basics well, defend well, play for each other, etc... but that's where the comparison ends.
The dynamic of the Storm in attack, the set plays, the players in motion, etc... is completely different to what Bennett teams do. We have individual quality and talent saving us more often than not. The Storm have a varied attack game plan and structure to complement their individual talent.

The storm game plan in attack is purely geared towards creating quick play the balls and then an ability for the halves and backs to get into a formation quickly to exploit these situations.

With the current interpretation of the ruck the best attacking football comes off of quick play the balls. It would be interesting to see the stats on how many trys are scored off good ball situations (quick play the balls), compared to a set defence and then also off kicks against a set defence.

I'd guess good ball situations would have a huge majority and the storm have become experts at manufacturing quick play the balls.

 

[badyon]

I sometimes think people confuse "Bennett Ball" with how just much Josh McGuire really "Gallens" us in attack.

The best we played with WB2.0, was the back end of 2015, when McGuire wasn't in the team.

We were getting a lot of second phase play from Blair and Thaiday - on the 4th tackle - which really opened up Hunt and Milford.

Now our 4th tackle is just McGuire getting easily picked off for 6 or 7 metres gain.

Anyway, you just have to look to the 90s to see that Bennett can coach extremely entertaining teams.

 

[Huge]

How odd that under the Bennett ball regime we've scored so many points ! I believe we're narrowly second to the Storm. It must be down to all the brilliance of individuals, hey ?

 

[winslow_wong]

How odd that under the Bennett ball regime we've scored so many points ! I believe we're narrowly second to the Storm. It must be down to all the brilliance of individuals, hey ?

Well most of james Roberts' tries are down to his individual brilliance. No many times has someone put him through a gap

 

[Porthoz]

They also have one of the greatest ever players leading their attack, alongside one of the great halfbacks of the last 15 years and one of the great fullbacks. That's a pretty big bonus, good coaching or not.

Yeah, like we had Locky, great fullbacks and one of the greatest centres ever for over a decade...

 

[Porthoz]

How odd that under the Bennett ball regime we've scored so many points ! I believe we're narrowly second to the Storm. It must be down to all the brilliance of individuals, hey ?

Most of it is, absolutely! Roberts, Milford, Kodi, even occasionally Hunt's individual brilliance, are by far the main reason for our points.
Are you going to tell me you see structure in the Broncos attack, set plays other than the block and sweep play where Boyd excels at? There are plenty of things Bennett deserves credit for, attacking footy isn't part one of them.

 

[Big Del]

The switch across the back of the ruck on the 5th to wrong foot the full back ,wasn`t enterprising enough for you ?

 

[Huge]

Most of it is, absolutely! Roberts, Milford, Kodi, even occasionally Hunt's individual brilliance, are by far the main reason for our points.
Are you going to tell me you see structure in the Broncos attack, set plays other than the block and sweep play where Boyd excels at? There are plenty of things Bennett deserves credit for, attacking footy isn't part one of them.

Mmmm, for those players to get the opportunity to score requires a structure I'd suggest. A side without a solid infrastructure would struggle to score points so WB ball must be given some credit. A very good for and against means that some things are done well.

I don't buy the individual brilliance line. Roberts has 14 ,fair enough but is Melbourne's Ado Carr and Vunivalu( 14 and 15 )down to Bellamy's coaching ? We have only one player in the top 20 try scorers, Roberts. Even the Titans have 2 ! Nah, it's not individual brilliance. If it was it would be reflected with brilliant individuals in the top try scorers.

 

[Kimlo]

Yeah, like we had Locky, great fullbacks and one of the greatest centres ever for over a decade...

Right, and we there or thereabouts a fair few times were we not?
2006, 2008, 2011. While we had Locky we were genuine premiership contenders nearly every year except when we were ravaged with injury.

Looks like your making my point for me.

 

[Kimlo]

Melbourne have never had an injury crisis, like ever. Has Smith ever missed more than two weeks of football? Cronk more than a few weeks, and ever at an important time of the year? Only Slater has missed significant game time, and decent fullbacks aren't that hard to find, quality hookers/halves are rare.The one time they did lose Smith for an important game they got hammered 40-0 in a grand final.

We lost Hodges a fair bit, we lost Locky to season ending injuries a few times as well.

 

[Porthoz]

Mmmm, for those players to get the opportunity to score requires a structure I'd suggest. A side without a solid infrastructure would struggle to score points so WB ball must be given some credit. A very good for and against means that some things are done well.

I do give Bennett plenty of credit. There is a reason I said a WB coached team will always be a top 8 proposition. I'm not saying he's a crap coach.

I don't buy the individual brilliance line. Roberts has 14 ,fair enough but is Melbourne's Ado Carr and Vunivalu( 14 and 15 )down to Bellamy's coaching ? We have only one player in the top 20 try scorers, Roberts. Even the Titans have 2 ! Nah, it's not individual brilliance. If it was it would be reflected with brilliant individuals in the top try scorers.

Milford, Kodi, Hunt, Marshall often do things out of nothing which result in tries, not necessarily for them. I believe better attacking coaching (like we was with Walters here) would make us even better.

Right, and we there or thereabouts a fair few times were we not?
2006, 2008, 2011. While we had Locky we were genuine premiership contenders nearly every year except when we were ravaged with injury.

Looks like your making my point for me.

Yes, we were there a few times, and I'm not trying to bash Bennett ala AP. Fact is we've fizzed out in the business end of the season more often than not, and we definitely were not genuine premiership candidates nearly every year.

You want to pretend there are no issues, or that we couldn't have done better, that's your prerogative. But we've had the same issues with beating the top teams for a very long time, unless we're exceptionally good in defense, because we can't break them with creative attack and a structure that promotes it.

As usual, it seems like any criticism of Bennett draws the usual resistance...

 

[Morkel]

I do give Bennett plenty of credit. There is a reason I said a WB coached team will always be a top 8 proposition. I'm not saying he's a crap coach.


Milford, Kodi, Hunt, Marshall often do things out of nothing which result in tries, not necessarily for them. I believe better attacking coaching (like we was with Walters here) would make us even better.


Yes, we were there a few times, and I'm not trying to bash Bennett ala AP. Fact is we've fizzed out in the business end of the season more often than not, and we definitely were not genuine premiership candidates nearly every year.

You want to pretend there are no issues, or that we couldn't have done better, that's your prerogative. But we've had the same issues with beating the top teams for a very long time, unless we're exceptionally good in defense, because we can't break them with creative attack and a structure that promotes it.

As usual, it seems like any criticism of Bennett draws the usual resistance...

2005 legit fizzled out
2006 won the GF
2007 lost Locky & a bunch of others
2008 genuine contenders until Storm cheated us out
2015 genuine contenders DON'T SAY IT
2016 genuine contenders until Thurston trip

The only reason we've "fizzled out" has been because of injuries to key players. The other years we've been right in it.

 

[JayPee]

That's not even close to reality. We do the basics well, defend well, play for each other, etc... but that's where the comparison ends.
The dynamic of the Storm in attack, the set plays, the players in motion, etc... is completely different to what Bennett teams do. We have individual quality and talent saving us more often than not. The Storm have a varied attack game plan and structure to complement their individual talent.

#coaching

 

[Porthoz]

2005 legit fizzled out
2006 won the GF
2007 lost Locky & a bunch of others
2008 genuine contenders until Storm cheated us out
2015 genuine contenders DON'T SAY IT
2016 genuine contenders until Thurston trip

The only reason we've "fizzled out" has been because of injuries to key players. The other years we've been right in it.

2001 to 2005, 2007 and 2016 -> Not contenders. That constitutes the majority of seasons under WB in the last 2 decades.

We pulled off a miracle in that Bulldogs semi to be honest. As amazing as 2006 was, we weren't really in it until Hodgo, Berro and Locky decided to singlehandedly win a premiership.

2008 and 2015 were our best years. Both hurt, because we were a bee's dick of winning it.

 

[Alec]

How were we not contenders in 2002? One win from the grand final.

 

[Kimlo]

2001 to 2005, 2007 and 2016 -> Not contenders. That constitutes the majority of seasons under WB in the last 2 decades.

We pulled off a miracle in that Bulldogs semi to be honest. As amazing as 2006 was, we weren't really in it until Hodgo, Berro and Locky decided to singlehandedly win a premiership.

2008 and 2015 were our best years. Both hurt, because we were a bee's dick of winning it.

Right, so what other coach has been there every year or thereabouts like Bennett has? He even had Newcastle looking like contenders for one year.

We almost won it in 2015 (sigh), 2016 a stupid Gillett penalty fucked us, this year isn't over yet.

Bellamy is the only coach who has had a team up there every single year, but he also has the luxury of Smith/Cronk/Slater who are arguably the greatest spine ever, Smith definitely in the top 5 or 10 players ever, Cronk at the very least always has been top 2 or 3 halfback during his career, and have never had genuine injury dramas.

 

[Porthoz]

Right, so what other coach has been there every year or thereabouts like Bennett has? He even had Newcastle looking like contenders for one year.

We almost won it in 2015 (sigh), 2016 a stupid Gillett penalty fucked us, this year isn't over yet.

Bellamy is the only coach who has had a team up there every single year, but he also has the luxury of Smith/Cronk/Slater who are arguably the greatest spine ever, Smith definitely in the top 5 or 10 players ever, Cronk at the very least always has been top 2 or 3 halfback during his career, and have never had genuine injury dramas.

Not going to repeat myself. If you see no flaws in Bennett's coaching, good for you.

 

[mitch222]

Right, so what other coach has been there every year or thereabouts like Bennett has? He even had Newcastle looking like contenders for one year.

We almost won it in 2015 (sigh), 2016 a stupid Gillett penalty fucked us, this year isn't over yet.

Bellamy is the only coach who has had a team up there every single year, but he also has the luxury of Smith/Cronk/Slater who are arguably the greatest spine ever, Smith definitely in the top 5 or 10 players ever, Cronk at the very least always has been top 2 or 3 halfback during his career, and have never had genuine injury dramas.

Not arguable anymore, they are for certain.