Origin Scheduling is a joke and a blight to the game.

[Porthoz]

Re: Sack Griffin

Disgraceful thread on the back of some serious knee-jerking.

We had about 3 bad games this season right after Origin (what a surprise), and were ambushed by the Eels after that.
The way we responded showed that Griffin has the players confidence and he got them to play for eachother again. The Dogs, Storm and yesterday's game prove that they are putting in, defending their hearts out, but are hopelessly low on confidence.

Given what the team showed against the Dogs and the Storm, Griffin showed that he can get the team to play attractive and effective offensive footy on the park, but he is obviously working on ingraining that defensive steel all great teams are made of.

Let's see what he learned from this, not only for whatever is left from this season, but also the next.

Let's also not forget we just lost whom in my opinion was the greatest Rugby League player ever to lace a boot, and are still developing a young team, who had to cop a lot of serious knocks this season, from the loss of Yow Yeh to a series of losses, some of them devastating, while suffering one of the highest representative rapes the Broncos had to endure for a long time.

Could Griffin have done things better? Sure, but the only thing I think he did really wrong was his captain choice. There were better choices imo: In order of preference: Glenn, Macca, Parker, Wallace... Even Hodges!

Anyway, this is unlike you Spwn. It's been a harsh few months for anything Broncos related, but I'm sure we'll come stronger at the other end of it.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Sack Griffin

We had about 3 bad games this season right after Origin (what a surprise),

while suffering one of the highest representative rapes the Broncos had to endure for a long time.

2006.......the number of Brisbane players involved in SOO was substantially higher.

How did we go that year.....?

Oh that's right....premiers!

no need to blame SOO THAT year ...... we'll just wheel it out for the years when things aren't going quite the way we want them to.:001_rolleyes:

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Round 25 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos - Post Match Discussion

Considering we've had two byes during the SOO period and a couple of the games during this period have been against sides equally (or near to) affected by SOO as us.....I find it difficult to blame SOO for our form slump.

Was either or any of our players injured directly as a result in playing SOO ?

.......it was Griffin's decision to rest certain players, but we have won games in the past with under strength teams.

Can you name any one Brisbane player who in your opinion has suffered from post SOO traumatic stress? Gillett? Other than him, most Broncos players involved have either lifted or have continued to play in the same form they showed prior to the SOO series this year.

Our problems IMO lay much deeper than simply blaming the SOO scheduling...

Are you for real? Name one rep player that has played to his potential since Origin!
Hannant and Civo are clearly on their last legs, Thaiday is in the worst form I've ever seen, Hodges only just got back to his own and Gillett is finally starting to show glimpses of the player he can be. He was actually one of the best last night defensively and cleaned up a lot of Thaiday's crap. Only Te'o has been relatively good throughout the last couple of months.

Those are all the experienced players we have and the team leaders, except for Glenn and Wallace.

And next year isn't gonna be much better... McGuire will replace Civo in the Origin squad, and god forbid if we perform at a high level at the start of the season, especially Gillett and Parker, we'll loose half a team to SOO again!

The SOO scheduling is ridiculous and no other club in the NRL has suffered more than the Broncos with it!

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Sack Griffin

but I think there a variety of reasons for our shocking form, including simply having a less talented side

Yes.......and it shits me to tears that some out there are trying to use SOO "scheduling" as a crutch for all our current problems to lean on.

 

[Porthoz]

What's their rep season entail......isn't it almost all year round?

There are always qualifiers for European Cup/South American Cup/World Cup.
The club games are suspended for a week and the rep games are played.
This happens about 6 times a year.

 

[Dexter]

Re: Round 25 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos - Post Match Discussion

Are you for real? Name one rep player that has played to his potential since Origin!

Smith, Cronk, Myles Scott, Tamou, Glen and Brett Stewart, Ash Harrison, Hodges, Gallen, The Morrises, Watmeow, Tate, Thurston, and most of them didn't get a rest.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Sack Griffin

Yes.......and it shits me to tears that some out there are trying to use SOO "scheduling" as a crutch for all our current problems to lean on.

SOO had always had a huge impact on the Broncos. Just because a legendary coach with a legendary side with players at their prime managed to get out of the slump and win a premiership, doesn't make it less so. In fact, it's the exception that proves the fact!

Having a less talented team only compounds the issue, it doesn't eliminate it!

Or are going to try to say with a straight face that the SOO scheduling doesn't impact on the Broncos?

 

[Ari Gold]

Re: Round 25 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos - Post Match Discussion

Considering we've had two byes during the SOO period and a couple of the games during this period have been against sides equally (or near to) affected by SOO as us.....I find it difficult to blame SOO for our form slump.

Was either or any of our players injured directly as a result in playing SOO ?

.......it was Griffin's decision to rest certain players, but we have won games in the past with under strength teams.

Can you name any one Brisbane player who in your opinion has suffered from post SOO traumatic stress? Gillett? Other than him, most Broncos players involved have either lifted or have continued to play in the same form they showed prior to the SOO series this year.

Our problems IMO lay much deeper than simply blaming the SOO scheduling...

Corey Parker hasn't been as good as he was since suffering that "cut" as Gus calls it. He's still been good, but we still lost his for a period. Hannant has also looked to be a level below.

I agree our problems are quite deeper than SoO, and I don't really think Origin has been that much of a factor given Wallace didn't play it.

Still, that doesn't change the fact that Origin scheduling is a joke. Look at the Sharks -- not a single bye before Origin week, meaning they missed Carney and Gallen for 3 competition games. That's 12.5% of all round robin fixtures. Then you look at how the Storm have struggled since Origin. Also, how many players have the Bulldogs lost to Origin?

Yes, it's a bit of a cop out this year for the Broncos to blame Origin, but I don't see how you can deny that having Origin in the middle of the NRL comp has a huge effect on how teams fare.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Round 25 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos - Post Match Discussion

Are you for real? Name one rep player that has played to his potential since Origin!
Hannant and Civo are clearly on their last legs, Thaiday is in the worst form I've ever seen, Hodges only just got back to his own and Gillett is finally starting to show glimpses of the player he can be. He was actually one of the best last night defensively and cleaned up a lot of Thaiday's crap. Only Te'o has been relatively good throughout the last couple of months.

Well you just answered your own question...Teo

Hodges was ordinary well before and during Origin. Game 3 is where he started to look like his old self. He is one of the only shining lights at Brisbane...atm. If anything SOO ignited his form that we have come to expect.

Hannant....IMO hasn't gone up or down. Been fairly consistent all year......not setting the world on fire but doing enough

Civo......now are you being for real? Are you actually saying that Petero's pre origin and post origin form is that much different? Please......

Thaiday......same as Petero

Parker ....only played game 3. He is always a rock. His form hasn't deteriorated at all.

The only case you have might be Gillett. Yes his pre origin Vs post origin form is markedly different. SOO has really rocked his confidence for some reason.

He is but one player........

Those are all the experienced players we have and the team leaders, except for Glenn and Wallace.

And next year isn't gonna be much better... McGuire will replace Civo in the Origin squad, and god forbid if we perform at a high level at the start of the season, especially Gillett and Parker, we'll loose half a team to SOO again!

The SOO scheduling is ridiculous and no other club in the NRL has suffered more than the Broncos with it!

We had 2 byes during the SOO period. We lost to the Storm with both sides playing near full strength teams. We thumped the Roosters and the Knights. Lost to the Cowboys (again, near full strength) and beat Souths.

About the only game when we were a shadow of ourselves was against the Sharks (in which they were also without Gallen and Carney) ....we lost.

I refuse to accept that SOO is the reason we find ourselves in our current predicament.

 

[Coxy]

Re: Sack Griffin

Question: which team supplied the most rep players this season?

 

[Dexter]

Re: Round 25 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos - Post Match Discussion

What? Did you see the Storm, Cows, Sharks, Manly and even Cowboys after Origin?
Of those, only Scott and Myles have performed consistently, all the other either didn't play for while, or were out of form.
None of those teams bar the Storm rely as heavily on their SOO players as the Broncos.

And let's not forget that the Broncos missed 6 players throughout the rep season, compared to 3 for the Storm and Cows, who still managed to go to shit for a while!

How many extra games did our guys play than they would have if Origin wasn't played at all. None is the answer. They all got rested and we had byes. Origin is an excuse as far as blaming it for our form since. Sure it costs us points when we don't have players available but that is a different argument.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Sack Griffin

Or are going to try to say with a straight face that the SOO scheduling doesn't impact on the Broncos?

Concerning this year......I think I just did in the other thread. :winky:

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Sack Griffin

Question: which team supplied the most rep players this season?

What you want to hear is Brisbane.

Game 1 - Broncos 5

Game 2 - Broncos 4

Game 3 - Broncos 6

Tell me.......how many games did we play without these players (directly because of SOO) and if so how many games did we lose.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Round 25 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos - Post Match Discussion

That'll do me...

It must be divine intervention that our slump started around the Origin period. SOO had absolutely nothing to do with it! :loool:

 

[Mr Fourex]

There are always qualifiers for European Cup/South American Cup/World Cup.
The club games are suspended for a week and the rep games are played.
This happens about 6 times a year.

So it's something that's played all year round.....

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Sack Griffin

What you want to hear is Brisbane.

Game 1 - Broncos 5

Game 2 - Broncos 4

Game 3 - Broncos 6

Tell me.......how many games did we play without these players (directly because of SOO) and if so how many games did we lose.

Maybe you should ask Lockyer and the likes what the intensity of SOO means and how it affects them post Origin. They must be idiots the lot...

It must also be pure coincidence that the other two teams who are most dependent on their rep stars went to shit AFTER Origin.

 

[Porthoz]

So it's something that's played all year round.....

So...?

 

[Ari Gold]

Soccer isn't really the best example. It's not as physical a sport and there's no salary cap, so it's easier for teams to cover any representative issues.

You are obviously a traditionalist, but I don't see how you can deny that Origin has a significant impact on the competition. The Bulldogs have just finished a 12 game winning streak -- how many Origin players did they provide? Contrastly, look at how the Storm have fared through a similar period, where they lost Slater as a result of Origin and had their big 3 all take part in Origin.

Also, look at the Sharks. No byes prior to Origin, so they played 3 games without Carney and Gallen. 3 out of 24 -- That's 12.5% of their games without their two best players and Gallen has been injured since, no doubt his heavy workload has played some part in that. Now, you may like Origin so much that you don't care about this, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a factor.