Origin Scheduling is a joke and a blight to the game.

[Mr Fourex]

All of what you said is true. What Origin does though is increase the chances of a club suffering from their lack of depth, and I still don't think that is right. Particularly when you look at a club like the Dogs, who I don't think have any more depth that other teams, but had no Origin players bar Morris and we able to put together a good run. To me, that's not fair and something that needs to be looked at.

It's only going to become more of a problem in future too, because it's going to play massively into the hands of the New Zealand Warriors. All the advantages that the Broncos have had over the years the Warriors are going to get fourfold. I'm drifting off topic though.

Dogs V Sharks.......the difference is one extra player. (Morris V Gallen & Carney)

Yet the difference between the two teams is night and day......SOO's fault?

 

[Ari Gold]

Come on, let's get serious. Gallen and Carney have a LOT more influence on their team's game plan than what Josh Morris does for the Bulldogs. Ben Barba, James Graham, Josh Reynolds, Michael Ennis -- all players the Dogs could call on to lead their team to victory in the absence of Josh Morris. Name for me please who the Sharks could turn to in the absence of their two top players. Jeremy Smith, Wade Graham? That's about it IMO, and neither come close to offering what Carney does. And Gallen is simply peerless.

The Dogs team is much better than the Sharks. Which is why when the Sharks lose their two key players for over 10% of their games it has that much more impact. If you don't mind this effect because you really love Origin, that's totally your right. But don't try and deny it does have an impact, because it does, and it is a really substantial one.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Basically yes, because we have players with injuries who aren't able to back up. In total, there were 3 games it had a direct effect (Storm, Roosters & Cowboys) and long-term it prevented us for building combinations, which for a side that is so heavily team oriented like ours it has an effect.

1. We thrashed the Roosters

2. Cowboys...we were missing Hodges (not because of SOO) and Parker (not even playing SOO)

3. Storm .....we had some missing (Hodges and Civo)...so did they (Smith on the bench). Who would have played for Brisbane that could have made a difference in that game?

So your talking about interrupted combinations between Parker and Civo with the forwards and Hodges with the backs. I think you're reaching.

4. Sharks.....yes we were missing a few. Sharks were also missing Gallen and Carney

Is it just a coincidence the Sharks, Storm & Cowboys all slumped alongside us post-Origin?

Injuries and form slumps are part and parcel of RL. Is it co-incidence that once Slater returned that the Storm found form again. The Cowboys for years are notorious for being up and down. The Sharks are still building as a team that has for years become accustomed to losing.

We have our own team building issues......

 

[Mr Fourex]

Come on, let's get serious. Gallen and Carney have a LOT more influence on their team's game plan than what Josh Morris does for the Bulldogs. Ben Barba, James Graham, Josh Reynolds, Michael Ennis -- all players the Dogs could call on to lead their team to victory in the absence of Josh Morris. Name for me please who the Sharks could turn to in the absence of their two top players. Jeremy Smith, Wade Graham? That's about it IMO, and neither come close to offering what Carney does. And Gallen is simply peerless.

The Dogs team is much better than the Sharks. Which is why when the Sharks lose their two key players for over 10% of their games it has that much more impact. If you don't mind this effect because you really love Origin, that's totally your right. But don't try and deny it does have an impact, because it does, and it is a really substantial one.

Because at the moment the Sharks are a two man team........you can't expect to win a premiership with a two man team.

It goes back to depth....which goes back to the salary cap.

 

[Ari Gold]

Because at the moment the Sharks are a two man team........you can't expect to win a premiership with a two man team.

You wont find ANYONE on this forum who thinks the Sharks have less of a chance of winning than me. It still doesn't change the fact that Origin has cost them a potential top 4 finish though, does it?

 

[Big Pete]

1. We thrashed the Roosters

Still another game where players like McGuire, Te'o, Beale, McCullough etc. were called onto do more work. Clearly having a long term effect.

2. Cowboys...we were missing Hodges (not because of SOO) and Parker (not even playing SOO)

Hodges can't play more than 1 game a week, guess which game got the preference? Yes he didn't play because of Origin.

Also seem to be forgetting our captain who's in a similar predicament.

3. Sharks.....yes we were missing a few. Sharks were also missing Gallen and Carney

I don't think missing practically our entire forward pack + our most dangerous player makes us even, especially when you compare injury tolls before + during the match.

If you can remember the game, the Sharks took advantage of our forward pack.

Combine all 4 games & clearly it's going to have a long term effect, especially when it comes to establishing combinations.

Injuries and form slumps are part and parcel of RL. Is it co-incidence that once Slater returned that the Storm found form again. The Cowboys for years are notorious for being up and down. The Sharks are still building as a team that has for years become accustomed to losing.

Yet, they all occurred around the same time as ours.

Part of the parcel, sure, happens to 4 teams at the same time? Nup, not buying that.

 

[Mr Fourex]

You wont find ANYONE on this forum who thinks the Sharks have less of a chance of winning than me. It still doesn't change the fact that Origin has cost them a potential top 4 finish though, does it?

What cost them was the inability to cover those two positions.......it's like saying even if they had one player who was the sole difference between winning and losing and he was missing through to SOO

....we should change the scheduling of our games highest pinnacle?

Because of one player in a team that evolves around one player ....?

Doesn't make sense.

A club like that has greater issues than SOO scheduling.

edit:

Look ...... I get what you're saying. TBH I have mixed feelings about the whole SOO re-scheduling debate. I don't think that a stand alone week-end game will fix what most seem to want to use as an argument towards changing it. It's a separate issue. My main argument here at the moment is with Bronco supporters saying that this year SOO has hurt us and that is the reason why we are finishing the season so poorly.

I simply refuse to believe that that's true.....

 

[Mr Fourex]

Still another game where players like McGuire, Te'o, Beale, McCullough etc. were called onto do more work. Clearly having a long term effect.

Ridiculous. So what!

Long term effect.......so playing week to week in games and having to work hard to grind out a win is detrimental....?

C'mon mate....it's the NRL. It comes with the territory.

You sight games against the Storm, Cowboys and Sharks.

I agree with an earlier comment that games that were there for the taking like the earlier Manly and Cowboys games as hurting us more. Those had nothing to do with SOO.

I'm going to have to agree to disagree (if you will) with you on this. I think you're wrong and I won't change my mind.

 

[user_nat]

How have the Cowboys done so well to avoid the Origin hangover this year?

Their props have been dominate all year.

 

[Big Pete]

Ridiculous. So what!

Long term effect.......so playing week to week in games and having to work hard to grind out a win is detrimental....?

C'mon mate....it's the NRL. It comes with the territory.

You sight games against the Storm, Cowboys and Sharks.

I agree with an earlier comment that games that were there for the taking like the earlier Manly and Cowboys games as hurting us more. Those had nothing to do with SOO.

I'm going to have to agree to disagree (if you will) with you on this. I think you're wrong and I won't change my mind.

I respect your opinion and I'll leave it with this post.

It isn't fair that more is demanded of some clubs than others. Origin is one of, if not THE, most demanding contest in the world of sport. This year took it to a whole new level, never before has a series been so physical, fast & dare I say intense! Players are asked to produce this type of form MONTHS before the peak of the regular season and devote it to a contest that doesn't have a direct influence on the NRL table.

I want to cast your mind back to the Round 10 double header. Who were the losers on the night? Us & the Bulldogs. The Dogs didn't look any better than us, I'd even say they looked worse but then Origin came around, they recruit a Kiwi, play Origin affected sides, combinations build and more importantly CONFIDENCE builds and now they're on top of the table.

Meanwhile, we're relying on the fitness of QCup players just to have numbers to compete! Gibb basically made his return from a decent lay-off right into first grade. Bench players are asked to play 80 minutes and get through work that they shouldn't be at that time of the season. The pack starts to struggle under the weight of all that and it has a domino effect on the side. Now the halves can't do s**t because they're presented with little to no opportunity. Backs are starved of quality possession, thrown passes either with little space or are reduced to nothing but dummy half runs, which is all Dale Copley was doing at one point.

Origin players are stuffed from the Origin series, enhancing injury clouds they were already under (Hodges, Thaiday, Parker, Hannant + Civoniceiva were all reportedly carrying something), can't carry a side that was already struggling, we keep suffering more injuries and when we finally get ourselves together we're up against the heavyweights of the competition.

It's not the sole reason, but I can't see how you can say it had absolutely no influence on us, let alone the competition.

I can understand feeling like members are using it to mask bigger problems, because those exist, but having ZERO influence?

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree this time...

 

[Big Pete]

How have the Cowboys done so well to avoid the Origin hangover this year?

Their props have been dominate all year.

Actually, yeah cut that down to 3 teams, Cows have been good. Only losses came against the Bulldogs (who obviously benefitted) + Sea Eagles (who were moderately affected).

Tricky to say really. Only Scott was really carrying any injuries heading into Origin so their players were able to back up + they have enough experienced heads around Origin time to keep afloat.

Brisbane are a side learning how to compete in this competition without one of the competition's most experienced players & arguably most skillful.

 

[Coxy]

I haven't seen anyone so incapable of seeing reality since HodgoBerro.

 

[Anonymous person]

Re: Sack Griffin

2006.......the number of Brisbane players involved in SOO was substantially higher.

I wouldn't call 1 "substantially higher". In 2006 we had 9, 2012 we had 8.

 

[Anonymous person]

Re: Sack Griffin

What you want to hear is Brisbane.

Game 1 - Broncos 5

Game 2 - Broncos 4

Game 3 - Broncos 6

Tell me.......how many games did we play without these players (directly because of SOO) and if so how many games did we lose.

Actually it is:

Game 1 - 5
Game 2 - 5
Game 3 - 7

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Sack Griffin

I wouldn't call 1 "substantially higher". In 2006 we had 9, 2012 we had 8.

You've written below 7 in 2012 not 8.

Actually it is:

Game 1 - 5
Game 2 - 5
Game 3 - 7

You're correct.

 

[Mister Wright]

Re: Sack Griffin

Origin isn't just about the game that is played, there's the build up and intense training sessions. Add to the fact both teams have to play a gladitorial like game mid week and often back up 2-5 days later for a club game, it has to have a bearing on each player. It is therefore no surprise that the players suffer a dip in form post Origin. There really needs to be a three week window, with stand alone games where players can have the required rest between games.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I do love Origin but I am sick of it having such a big impact on the competition. Happy for it to be mid year if it is on stand alone weekends. I don't think you can doubt that it really knocks our club around when we have 5 plus of our players playing Origin. The quality of the NRL is pathetic during Origin time. It makes the under 20's look a high standard. The real prize is a premiership, I'd choose a Premiership over an Origin series win any day of the week.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Sack Griffin

There really needs to be a three week window, with stand alone games where players can have the required rest between games.

Can you spell this out for me....?

Are you saying that we will have no RL played other than the 3 SOO games in that 3 week window?