Origin Scheduling is a joke and a blight to the game.

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Round 25 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos - Post Match Discussion

Yes, it's a bit of a cop out this year for the Broncos to blame Origin, but I don't see how you can deny that having Origin in the middle of the NRL comp has a huge effect on how teams fare.

That's all I really am getting pissed off with, because you are 100% right. It's a cop out....an excuse ......a cry. It's bullshit!

 

[Alec]

Re: Sack Griffin

Even if we ignore the physical toll, Origin isn't just some 3 random games either. Players care about it, and it's like another comp outside of the NRL. So after it's finished, the hangover stays with the players. It's not like it's easy to forget about it and quickly get back into the main competition.

 

[Alec]

Re: Round 25 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos - Post Match Discussion

Origin isn't the main reason. Everyone knows the main reason is that our spine just isn't very good. Origin did have a huge impact on our biggest strength though, our forward pack.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Sack Griffin

Maybe you should ask Lockyer and the likes what the intensity of SOO means and how it affects them post Origin. They must be idiots the lot...

I see.......so when Locky says Corey Norman is the right man for the job to take over the 5/8 role, he's just sticking up for his mate and that's the sort of thing players say when asked a question by the media. ie: Locky has NFI

but

when it suits, all arguments are null and void because of what Locky said ie: Locky is the bible.

:001_rolleyes:

Shillington came out and had a whinge a while ago about the stand alone games. Said he got through the mental side of it no problems. He had other issues about it being unfair to the star studded clubs.

The reverse side of the coin is the clubs who don't have highly paid SOO stars can perhaps gain an advantage, if said clubs don't have the depth to cover their stars missing.

Brisbane having 2 byes through this period if anything is being looked after very well as they haven't had to play as many games as someone like the Cowboys or Storm have with their players missing.

Cowboys are going alright.......so are the Storm.

 

[Mr Fourex]

So...?

Well........if RL was played all year round then I'm sure we could stop club games from being played while the rep season took place as well.

But RL isn't played all year round. In Australia the heat would most likely kill someone in the summer.

 

[Big Pete]

Re: Sack Griffin

Are we all on the same page when I say, Origin has an impact but it isn't the sole reason we're doing so poorly?

 

[Coxy]

Re: Round 25 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos - Post Match Discussion

Origin had an impact. Fourex, you're just a moron

 

[Mr Fourex]

Soccer isn't really the best example. It's not as physical a sport and there's no salary cap, so it's easier for teams to cover any representative issues.

You are obviously a traditionalist, but I don't see how you can deny that Origin has a significant impact on the competition. The Bulldogs have just finished a 12 game winning streak -- how many Origin players did they provide? Contrastly, look at how the Storm have fared through a similar period, where they lost Slater as a result of Origin and had their big 3 all take part in Origin.

Also, look at the Sharks. No byes prior to Origin, so they played 3 games without Carney and Gallen. 3 out of 24 -- That's 12.5% of their games without their two best players and Gallen has been injured since, no doubt his heavy workload has played some part in that. Now, you may like Origin so much that you don't care about this, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a factor.

Yes ..... I don't like changing our great game too much, so I guess a traditionalist logo would suit me.

What you are recognising is a lack of depth in clubs like the Storm and the Sharks. The salary cap is what's killing these clubs.

What if these stars get injured through the course of a normal season? Their respective teams suffer....

Should we ban all contact so that we lesson the chance of injury...?

Of course not.

The Storm hit a slump....they've recovered. The Cowboys arguably are the same. The Bunnies pulled through OK ....... Manly .......etc etc

The Sharks are suffering through being a 2 man team

Brisbane are suffering because of a young inexperienced side who desperately need some direction from their halves on the playing field.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Origin had an impact. Fourex, you're just a moron

So good for the "boss" to be so mature.......I haven't resorted to name calling

I was just enjoying the discussion....

I wasn't aware that we were all clones and that we all had to think the same.

Edit: don't try to bypass the filter

 

[Fozz]

No more personal insults or the thread gets locked.

 

[Kaz]

Re: Round 25 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos - Post Match Discussion

That'll do me...

It must be divine intervention that our slump started around the Origin period. SOO had absolutely nothing to do with it!

We haven't played well for most of the season.

Yes we played well against the Dogs & Storm, but yet again our 2nd half performance let us down.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Sack Griffin

Are we all on the same page when I say, Origin has an impact but it isn't the sole reason we're doing so poorly?

I can concede in the past it's had an impact.

I'm not really considering it this year though.........so I guess sort of on the same page

but not really. :winky:

 

[Big Pete]

Re: Sack Griffin

All Origin posts have been moved here, please save the Manly discussion thread solely for that game and the sack Griffin thread to vent and scapegoat our coach.

 

[Ari Gold]

Yes ..... I don't like changing our great game too much, so I guess a traditionalist logo would suit me.

What you are recognising is a lack of depth in clubs like the Storm and the Sharks. The salary cap is what's killing these clubs.

What if these stars get injured through the course of a normal season? Their respective teams suffer....

Should we ban all contact so that we lesson the chance of injury...?

Of course not.

The Storm hit a slump....they've recovered. The Cowboys arguably are the same. The Bunnies pulled through OK ....... Manly .......etc etc

The Sharks are suffering through being a 2 man team

Brisbane are suffering because of a young inexperienced side who desperately need some direction from their halves on the playing field.

All of what you said is true. What Origin does though is increase the chances of a club suffering from their lack of depth, and I still don't think that is right. Particularly when you look at a club like the Dogs, who I don't think have any more depth that other teams, but had no Origin players bar Morris and we able to put together a good run. To me, that's not fair and something that needs to be looked at.

It's only going to become more of a problem in future too, because it's going to play massively into the hands of the New Zealand Warriors. All the advantages that the Broncos have had over the years the Warriors are going to get fourfold. I'm drifting off topic though.

 

[Big Pete]

So you don't think Origin played apart in the Broncos following a 7-3 record with a 4-9 Fourex?

 

[Mr Fourex]

So you don't think Origin played apart in the Broncos following a 7-3 record with a 4-9 Fourex?

Pete.......other than the Sharks game in R17, were we forced through the SOO period to play without the majority of our SOO players?

 

[Big Pete]

Basically yes, because we have players with injuries who aren't able to back up. In total, there were 3 games it had a direct effect (Storm, Roosters & Cowboys) and long-term it prevented us for building combinations, which for a side that is so heavily team oriented like ours it has an effect.

Is it just a coincidence the Sharks, Storm & Cowboys all slumped alongside us post-Origin?

 

[Porthoz]

So you don't think Origin played apart in the Broncos following a 7-3 record with a 4-9 Fourex?

Nah, it was pure coincidence, as has been for the better part of 20 years... Pure coincidence!