Player Movements & Rumours 2010

[Dexter]

Yeah, you have to wonder if that is Hannant talking or he has been listening to his manager too closely.

I agree with him it is a brutal game and the players put their bodies through an enormous amount of punishement etc but like anything if you don't like it don't do it. Find another job that pays as much or you like better.

 

[Coxy]

Yeah, you have to wonder if that is Hannant talking or he has been listening to his manager too closely.

I agree with him it is a brutal game and the players put their bodies through an enormous amount of punishement etc but like anything if you don't like it don't do it. Find another job that pays as much or you like better.

Bingo! And which doesn't take you away from your family on weekends when they're typically home. etc etc etc

The fact Hannant and others see playing NRL-level and above rugby league as a job first and foremost shows how sad the game (and other professional sports) has become.

Thousands of kids grow up playing backyard NRL/AFL/Test matches, whatever, and pretending they're their favourite player, scoring the match winning try in a grand final etc etc. They would play for their favourite club for an ice block.

At what point do people like Hannant lose the "I just love playing footy for my team" viewpoint to "this is hard work, I need great money to keep my family in the lifestyle they've become accustomed" attitude? Because it is so different to the general public's view of the world, so out of touch with Joe Average, the bloke who gets his season ticket much to his missus' disgust because it tightens the budget that little bit more.

Saying "I only have a limited time in the game and want to do the best I can while I can for my family"...no problem. Nobody can argue with that.

Saying "This is a tough job, you get injuries for life, and we get so badly done by, we all deserve way more money than we get now"...is whinging.

 

[Flutterby]

At what point do people like Hannant lose the "I just love playing footy for my team" viewpoint to "this is hard work, I need great money to keep my family in the lifestyle they've become accustomed" attitude?

I think it is about the same time when, still as kids really, clubs give them a scholarship and tell them they are going to have a massive career in the NRL. And the media jumps on the bandwagon telling them how great they are cause they can play football and get paid massive amounts of money for it. This all happens as I said while they are still kids and have not had to have a "real" job and genuninely live in the reality of the real world.

 

[Coxy]

At what point do people like Hannant lose the "I just love playing footy for my team" viewpoint to "this is hard work, I need great money to keep my family in the lifestyle they've become accustomed" attitude?

I think it is about the same time when, still as kids really, clubs give them a scholarship and tell them they are going to have a massive career in the NRL. And the media jumps on the bandwagon telling them how great they are cause they can play football and get paid massive amounts of money for it. This all happens as I said while they are still kids and have not had to have a "real" job and genuninely live in the reality of the real world.

Bingo. That's pretty much what I was getting at...though throw in the "get a manager who's going to skim 5-10% off whatever I get" as well.

No idea what the answer is. Because all the sports pay kids good money to go through elite development squads etc, so for the NRL to stop doing so, or put money in trust and have conditions on it like tertiary education etc would be signing the code's death warrant.

Even if the government legislated against it you'd have kids look overseas for opportunities.

I guess it comes down to the role models of the individual kids - their parents, siblings, close teammates. Their attitude will rub off. I don't know Ben's parents so I won't comment. Though it would be understandable if they were all for Ben making as much money as he possibly could considering he's one of what, 6 kids or something?

 

[Foordy]

^^^ the NRL has rules in place for players playing in the u20's. those players need to undertake tertiary education or an apprenticeship

 

[Coxy]

^^^ the NRL has rules in place for players playing in the u20's. those players need to undertake tertiary education or an apprenticeship

Yes, and that's all well and good. Education and an apprenticeship that then gets tailored around their training schedule to have as little impact on their football as possible.

Not like "The old days" where players would work from early morning until mid afternoon, then go to training for 2 hours, then go home.

I think the young players generally see the education and apprenticeship stuff as "something they have to do" in between footy, not something that is setting them up for life. They still get told over and over they're the next big thing and will be an NRL superstar, just wait til your manager finds you a club.

 

[Je$ter]

Everyone sooking about Hannant and people leaving for money because loyalty is dead - get a grip! These guys have 5 years if they are lucky, 10 years if they are at the top of the game. They have to make hay while the sun shines!

 

[Bucking Beads]

Everyone sooking about Hannant and people leaving for money because loyalty is dead - get a grip! These guys have 5 years if they are lucky, 10 years if they are at the top of the game. They have to make hay while the sun shines!

Lets all cry for the hard done by Footballer!!

 

[Clintos]

Everyone sooking about Hannant and people leaving for money because loyalty is dead - get a grip! These guys have 5 years if they are lucky, 10 years if they are at the top of the game. They have to make hay while the sun shines!

Not really. The publicity surrounding ex-footballers is always going to be enough for them to land a job outside football. It's like free marketing.

 

[BroncoMatt]

Everyone sooking about Hannant and people leaving for money because loyalty is dead - get a grip! These guys have 5 years if they are lucky, 10 years if they are at the top of the game. They have to make hay while the sun shines!

Not really. The publicity surrounding ex-footballers is always going to be enough for them to land a job outside football. It's like free marketing.

+ The fact they earn more in a year then the average person earns in 5 or 6 years. They are doing ok.

 

[Kimlo]

Everyone sooking about Hannant and people leaving for money because loyalty is dead - get a grip! These guys have 5 years if they are lucky, 10 years if they are at the top of the game. They have to make hay while the sun shines!

Not really. The publicity surrounding ex-footballers is always going to be enough for them to land a job outside football. It's like free marketing.

+ The fact they earn more in a year then the average person earns in 5 or 6 years. They are doing ok.

Exactly 10 years of NRL contracts = 40+ years average persons pay, they can't complain about being underpaid that is rubbish.

 

[lynx000]

^^^
Not like "The old days" where players would work from early morning until mid afternoon, then go to training for 2 hours, then go home.

To work all night in the coal mine for a lump of mouldy bread and gruel (sorry I had a Monty Python moment when I saw the old days reference)

 

[lynx000]

Everyone sooking about Hannant and people leaving for money because loyalty is dead - get a grip! These guys have 5 years if they are lucky, 10 years if they are at the top of the game. They have to make hay while the sun shines!

Not really. The publicity surrounding ex-footballers is always going to be enough for them to land a job outside football. It's like free marketing.

+ The fact they earn more in a year then the average person earns in 5 or 6 years. They are doing ok.

Exactly 10 years of NRL contracts = 40+ years average persons pay, they can't complain about being underpaid that is rubbish.

Isn't all relative though? An average first grade NRL player on say $150,000 -$175,000 might well consider themselves underpaid compared to a premier league soccer player or an american athlete in the NFL, NBL. Or compared to what the golfers and tennis players earn.

 

[Kimlo]

Everyone sooking about Hannant and people leaving for money because loyalty is dead - get a grip! These guys have 5 years if they are lucky, 10 years if they are at the top of the game. They have to make hay while the sun shines!

Not really. The publicity surrounding ex-footballers is always going to be enough for them to land a job outside football. It's like free marketing.

+ The fact they earn more in a year then the average person earns in 5 or 6 years. They are doing ok.

Exactly 10 years of NRL contracts = 40+ years average persons pay, they can't complain about being underpaid that is rubbish.

Isn't all relative though? An average first grade NRL player on say $150,000 -$175,000 might well consider themselves underpaid compared to a premier league soccer player or an american athlete in the NFL, NBL. Or compared to what the golfers and tennis players earn.

This is Australia.

 

[Je$ter]

Everyone sooking about Hannant and people leaving for money because loyalty is dead - get a grip! These guys have 5 years if they are lucky, 10 years if they are at the top of the game. They have to make hay while the sun shines!

Not really. The publicity surrounding ex-footballers is always going to be enough for them to land a job outside football. It's like free marketing.

+ The fact they earn more in a year then the average person earns in 5 or 6 years. They are doing ok.

Exactly 10 years of NRL contracts = 40+ years average persons pay, they can't complain about being underpaid that is rubbish.

So 10 years at an average of $150,000 (nobody starts their NRL career on $400,000, in fact most start at about $60,000) = $1.5 Million

40 years times average wage $57,000(source) = $2.28 Million

Not doubting that they aren't doing pretty darn well. But it's still not going to see them through their lives, they aren't playing EPL or NFL.

 

[Je$ter]

[quote="Je$ter":3cvf5pwy]Everyone sooking about Hannant and people leaving for money because loyalty is dead - get a grip! These guys have 5 years if they are lucky, 10 years if they are at the top of the game. They have to make hay while the sun shines!

Lets all cry for the hard done by Footballer!![/quote:3cvf5pwy]

I'm not crying about the hard done footballer. I'm just saying they have to get it while the getting is good.

Ps. who are you to have a go at Hannant for wanting a release when your boy Denan got a release as well? Where was his loyalty?

 

[Flutterby]

OK this discussion has gone way OT. Start a new thread if you want to continue to discuss how well players are or aren't paid.

 

[lynx000]

Sorry boss :)