Prince Discussion

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porthoz has a massive agenda against Hunt.
Haha, pull the other one! :finger:

The Hunt worshipers can name one single game from Hunt where he and (mostly) Norman carved up the Raiders. They tend to forget that when he could and should have made his mark in two consecutive pre-seasons, he was AWOL. They also seem to think they know better than the coaching group, who has put everyone ahead of Hunt in the halves, and once they lost Norman (whom I bag in the halves, despite him being consistently better than Hunt), announced they are looking for a playmaker in the open market.

If the team doesn't keep improving and we get no results from the current halves combination, by all means give him a go, which I believe should've been the case when Wallace was in horrible form in the past. There is absolutely no justification for this now, none! Especially not when Hunt has been an integral part of what has been working well for us, with him coming in against tired forwards and giving us an edge.

After 6 rounds where our defense has been excellent (bar that second half against Manly) and our attack is so much better than last year, even with that hiccup against the chooks (who seem to be keeping a lot of teams to 0), people still have a tantrum because Prince doesn't shit golden eggs, and are convinced Hunt is the second coming... :001_rolleyes:

So yeah sure... Let's take Prince out, move Hunt to Halfback, Wallace to five-eight and Baptiste to the bench for at the very least 6 or 7 games, because that will definitely improve everything. And if it doesn't, and suddenly our combinations suffer with it, Hunt fails in the position and we end up at the bottom end of the ladder, well... at least we tried! :glare:

I don't have an agenda against Hunt, I just don't wank desperately over him, big difference!
 
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Yeah Prince is your man of choice when it comes to wanking desperately
 
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I disagree. And it DID happen last year, albeit only for 2 or 3 games, and mainly because Hoffman was dropped.

There's no doubt Prince outplayed Norman and Hunt in the trials, and that's why he got the nod for round 1. Plus Hook, like the rest of us, realised that Norman isn't a five-eighth and probably never will be, but he's a pretty good fullback.
Nah, his reputation played better than Norman and Hunt... True story!

Yeah Prince is your man of choice when it comes to wanking desperately
I don't wank about anyone in the team... Okay maybe a little bit about Gillett... :tongue_smilie:
 
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Porthoz, you know from my contributions in this thread I'm not at all in favour of dropping Prince for Hunt. My issue is the way you and others are writing off Hunt. It's not as if Norman set the world on fire in the trials either, he was just anointed as the five-eighth by default. And going into the latest preseason, Hunt wasn't even really used in the halves, other than the first trial I think it was against the Cowboys - in which he guided them to a 20-6 half time lead as I recall...

Is Hunt the answer now? No. Is there any need to change the current halves? No.

Is Hunt a first grade halfback being wasted as a bench hooker? Absolutely.

But for the balance of the team that's just what it is right now. Hunt needs to decide whether he's happy to be a hooker/bench hooker and stay at the Broncos long term, or if he wants to chase a starting halves spot at another club. Because the Broncos don't, haven't, and probably never will see him as a half.

It's up to him.
 
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Porthoz, you know from my contributions in this thread I'm not at all in favour of dropping Prince for Hunt. My issue is the way you and others are writing off Hunt. It's not as if Norman set the world on fire in the trials either, he was just anointed as the five-eighth by default. And going into the latest preseason, Hunt wasn't even really used in the halves, other than the first trial I think it was against the Cowboys - in which he guided them to a 20-6 half time lead as I recall...

Is Hunt the answer now? No. Is there any need to change the current halves? No.

Is Hunt a first grade halfback being wasted as a bench hooker? Absolutely.

But for the balance of the team that's just what it is right now. Hunt needs to decide whether he's happy to be a hooker/bench hooker and stay at the Broncos long term, or if he wants to chase a starting halves spot at another club. Because the Broncos don't, haven't, and probably never will see him as a half.

It's up to him.
I disagree with that part. That is yet to be proven!

The only point I argue, which everyone is ignoring, is that people say he's not getting a chance, which is not true. He wasn't better than any of his competition during pre-season and trials for several consecutive years.

On the other hand, he has developped into a very handy weapon of the bench, helping us gain advantage against tiring opposition, which even makes people say that he outplayed Macca... whether or not he would outplay Macca if the situation was reversed is very much the question!

Does he have talent? I think he does. Is he a first grade halfback? Not sure. Does he deserve a spot in the starting 13 ahead of Macca, Wallace or Prince? At this stage, absolutely not! Is he important to our game plan? **** yeah!
 
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i like that hunts been getting a few more minutes. he is definitely good around the ruck for us as you say.
 
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I think what annoys me (and others who jump to Hunt's defence) is that he hasn't had the same chance Norman has. Whether or not Norman "earned" a start at five-eighth last year by being better than Hunt in the trials, he certainly got LEFT there for a long time despite absolutely poor performances. In fact, Norman's only really good performance came in the same game as Hunt. Go figure.

Hunt's never been given that opportunity to get a starting spot and hold it for weeks at a time. Whatever the reasons are for that, that's undeniable fact.

Reality is, at five-eighth, Corey Norman served up 20 games of fail. At fullback, he's served up 6 games of excellent improvement this season, to the point now where I think he's established as our first choice fullback.

My fear is if Wallace or Prince get hurt that Hook will inexplicably move Norman to the halves, Hoffman to fullback, and leave Hunt where he is. That would effectively give us a crap five-eighth (Norman) and a crap fullback (Hoffman).

Shifting Hunt in to replace an injured Wallace or Hunt doesn't stuff up the good thing Hoffman and Norman have got going on out wide, and gives Hunt an opportunity to play in his preferred position. Will he wow us all and play like a superstar and keep the injured player out when they recover? Probably not. But he'll do the job. As he's done every time he's been put there due to injuries.
 
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I won't argue any of those points.
In fact I agree with all of them and would get really pissed of if your scenario of shifting Norman back in the halves happened. Not so much because I think Hunt is better than Norman, but because Norman is great at fullback and Hoffman is great on the wing, and all of the work put into the current combination would go down the drain.
Surely Hook wouldn't do this!
 
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My worry is just that he wants to stroke Norman's ego. He already basically apologised for playing him at fullback this year. Despite moving to Parramatta, I still think Hook thinks very highly of Corey as a person and sometimes I wonder if he makes too many decisions on the basis of who it is, rather than what the impact on the team will be.
 
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Porthoz, you know from my contributions in this thread I'm not at all in favour of dropping Prince for Hunt. My issue is the way you and others are writing off Hunt. It's not as if Norman set the world on fire in the trials either, he was just anointed as the five-eighth by default. And going into the latest preseason, Hunt wasn't even really used in the halves, other than the first trial I think it was against the Cowboys - in which he guided them to a 20-6 half time lead as I recall...

Is Hunt the answer now? No. Is there any need to change the current halves? No.

Is Hunt a first grade halfback being wasted as a bench hooker? Absolutely.

But for the balance of the team that's just what it is right now. Hunt needs to decide whether he's happy to be a hooker/bench hooker and stay at the Broncos long term, or if he wants to chase a starting halves spot at another club. Because the Broncos don't, haven't, and probably never will see him as a half.

It's up to him.

My two cents worth. I tend to largely agree with Coxy. I actually think Hunt is a wasted talent and that given the same opportunity that others have had, he could have developed into a good to more than good halfback. You can take it by that comment that I don't think he has been given a fair opportunity to establish himself. I agree with Coxy's comments though about the need for a change. I think that there are some signs of a combination developing between Norman, Prince and Wallace (note all three) and I believe that we would throw all of that away if we were to try and start again now with Hunt. One of the things I like about Hunt's play is that he does have vision. I noted a couple of times on Friday night that as he approached dummy half his eyes were up looking at what the opposition line had set up in front of him to determine what he was going to do. He is not a robot who just runs through the set plays. What frustrates me about him is that in doing the above, he does not actually have a look behind him to see if the rest of the team is positioned to act on the play he is about to put in motion or he does not communicate to the others what he intends to do. I will be po'd however, if we suffer an injury to either prince or Wallace and Hook shoves Norman back in the halves rather than giving Hunt a decent shot.
 
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oops, I posted my reply before reading Coxy's next post where he made the same comment about shifting Norman to the halves if there was an injury.
 
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oops, I posted my reply before reading Coxy's next post where he made the same comment about shifting Norman to the halves if there was an injury.

That's why I "liked" yours :P
 
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My biggest problem is that this set-up is all about this season, with no preparations for the future. And, lets be honest, it's not like we are going to challenge for a premiership this year. McCullough needs a rocket up his butt. Hunt is playing better than him at hooker, but that doesn't mean Hunt will ever be a good hooker, it just means McCullough is playing ordinary. Prince is doing nothing but missing tackles, shuffling the ball and putting bad kicks all over the place. Even the Titans were smart enough to get rid of him, and we took their scraps. Hunt might not be a superstar, but it would take very little to improve on Prince, and give a real hooker a chance to compete for McCullough's position. It's disappointing that the club is happy with any minor victory we can get now, even if we have to start from scratch in the future.
 
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No mate, it's during the pre-season and trials that you have to make your claim for a spot in the halves. Hunt had nothing 2 years in a row, first losing to Norman, now losing to Norman AND Prince.
Yes, Prince's name has influence, but fact is that neither Hunt nor Norman have been capable than doing better than him when they had a chance to prove themselves: Pre-season and trials!

Prince & Wallace have formed a combination and are starting to show the goods and feed of eachother, but we should break that up in the off chance that Hunt will do something he has not ever shown when he had the chance to... righto, I'm sure he will save us all and cure cancer in his spare time!

The team is going ****---> It's because of the halves!
The team is going well---> The halves have nothing to do with it!

I remember reading how well Prince/Hunt went in the trials together however unfortunately for Hunt, Wallace has pictures of the entire Broncos staff with a donkey Clerks 2 style.
 
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My biggest problem is that this set-up is all about this season, with no preparations for the future. And, lets be honest, it's not like we are going to challenge for a premiership this year. McCullough needs a rocket up his butt. Hunt is playing better than him at hooker, but that doesn't mean Hunt will ever be a good hooker, it just means McCullough is playing ordinary. Prince is doing nothing but missing tackles, shuffling the ball and putting bad kicks all over the place. Even the Titans were smart enough to get rid of him, and we took their scraps. Hunt might not be a superstar, but it would take very little to improve on Prince, and give a real hooker a chance to compete for McCullough's position. It's disappointing that the club is happy with any minor victory we can get now, even if we have to start from scratch in the future.
Exactly, people are getting upset that putting Hunt into halfback now would undo any progress that has been made in the past few rounds but all that progress will be for nothing in what, 2 years when Prince retires. Prince has been absolutely piss poor so far with a few good touches here and there, one instance that really sticks in my mind was a moment late in the game against the Cowboys when Macca was at half when play broke down and he threw a wayward pass to no one, Prince was the closest to the ball but he might as well have been playing on the wing for the effort he put in to get to the ball. I'm not too sure whether this was before or after he was knocked senseless by Tariq Sims but that lack of urgency really pissed me off.
 
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It's not like we'd be undoing any actual progress anyway. Prince plays on the right, all of our progress has been on the left.
 
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It's not like we'd be undoing any actual progress anyway. Prince plays on the right, all of our progress has been on the left.

There was a pretty sweet try to Gillet on the right from a certain #6 who held the ball long enough to time it correctly, Also another try that cut out Hodges and allowed the winger to dive over scoring nicely again...
 
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I really think an injury to Wallace or Prince would bring Norman back into the halves, Hoffman to fullback and Kahu to wing. I am pretty sure that's what would happen unfortunately.
 

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