POST GAME Round 1 - Storm vs Broncos

pagey

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I didnt think Boyd was as bad as some think he was last night. Him and Macca are just the scapegoats right now. Apart from Lodge and Oates i dont think anyone was great for us.

I actually think the best way to transition Issako to fullback is to get him and Boyd to share the role in games.
I agree, let's sit back and see how things pan out before bitching & moaning about players.
Was always going to take time to adjust , and most teams would be the same.
 

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I didnt think Boyd was as bad as some think he was last night. Him and Macca are just the scapegoats right now. Apart from Lodge and Oates i dont think anyone was great for us.

I actually think the best way to transition Issako to fullback is to get him and Boyd to share the role in games.
Every player has a bad game here and there, that’s footy. Indeed, all reasonable judges excuse the odd poor performance because players simply cannot be ‘on’ all the time.

But Boyd has had a pretty awful 18 months or so.

I’d like you (or anyone else on here for that matter) to tell me, and be honest, when was the last time you saw him put together a better than average 80 minute performance?

EDIT: my answer would be the 2015 final against the Roosters, he was brilliant. But I can’t think of any other performance even remotely close to that since.
 
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pagey

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Weren't Souths supposed to play clunky and disorganised because of a new coach and staff learning new structures and how the coach wants them to play?

Lol
A lot more experience with coach and team, so you can't compare imo. Seibolds structures and approaches are completely different, Bennett wouldn't have changed to much.
 

pagey

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Bloody hell I anticipated the Bennett fans to go on a bit this year but after ONE GAME? Haha seriously? Around 4% of the season haha wow... I fully expect souths to have a better year then us because Bennett is an amazing coach and souths have a team built for him and built for a premiership run. BUT he wouldn't have got anywhere near a premiership with our team (see, exhibit a, b and c of the last 3 abysmal final series' drop outs with Bennett as our coach) and we will have the MUCH MUCH better next 5 years. It had to be done or (just like last time, and just like the Knights and the dragons) we would be left picking up the pieces for years later without a premiership to our name.

Bennett isn't our coach GET OVER IT
Yet the non Bennett fans are sooking even more about player this & player that .
 

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I always felt Issako was extremely lucky to win that fullback of the year award in 2017 personally. I think Jarome Hughes and Guy Hamilton were better over the season than Issako was.
Hughes only played 14 games and Trigger had him at 6 for a chunk of them.
 

Marty Deutschmann

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Honestly don't know.why I bother coming to post game chats. The most subjective nonsense I'll ever see.
Thick and rife with agendas not even pertaining to events playing out in the game.
We were pretty damn good. Hard to get involved when the storm are getting away with murder lying and holding down in the ruck. New gameplan is about quick play the balls and getting a roll on.. impossible to execute when the NRL have no balls to blow penalties when they're deserved.
Sucks to lose Lodge for 2 weeks and no Haas. Can see Flagler getting some big minutes over the next couple of weeks - he was strong and deserved more minutes
 

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Another thing I'll say is, you can really tell the ones who watch games on 9 and on Fox. Almost repeat the exact words of out of touch commentators.. sad how easily people are manipulated.
 

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A lot more experience with coach and team, so you can't compare imo. Seibolds structures and approaches are completely different, Bennett wouldn't have changed to much.
Sounds like an excuse for our lacklustre performance imo.
 
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Yet the non Bennett fans are sooking even more about player this & player that .
They "sooked" about the broncos players who played in the storm game, in the storm game thread? Seems pretty relevant to me... Bennett is no longer coach of the broncos, seems a bit irrelevant in a round 1 game thread tbh.... 4% of the first season too, in a 4 year contract haha talk about going off early!
 

pagey

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They "sooked" about the broncos players who played in the storm game, in the storm game thread? Seems pretty relevant to me... Bennett is no longer coach of the broncos, seems a bit irrelevant in a round 1 game thread tbh.... 4% of the first season too, in a 4 year contract haha talk about going off early!
Not just the storm thread , open up that other eye. Could care less who the coach is, but you obviously can't read if you think people are still whinging about Bennett/ seibold. Maybe you should let it go !
 

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Yeah good point but I'm not insinuating anything about Bennett and his record etc.

I made my comment based on the fact some (not all) people believe it takes time to build into a season especially with a new coach, players, staff etc. I don't believe this. Look at Souths yesterday, I'm pretty positive Bennett would of came in and changed a few things. There was new staff for souths too etc and how did they play? Their attack flowed, defensively they were ok but more importantly, the team played as one and they played with energy and you could see their pre season training worked for them. They knocked off the premiers. It wasn't a fluke. By some people's logic, Souths weren't supposed to win last night etc and that's simply a mediocre way of looking at things.
 
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Melbourne did an excellent job of breaking down the Brisbane Broncos. Bellamy has obviously done his homework on how the Broncos construct their repeat sets, because he got his kickers to deliberately kick it towards Isaako's wing as early and as often as possible. Munster and Smith did an excellent with their kicks and there wasn't much Darius could have done, especially not with Addo-Carr's chase.

It meant that the Storm were constantly playing on the front foot and could execute their early shifts to Kaufusi and Scott which they'd play off the back of. That right edge attack caused Brisbane headaches all evening and in their efforts to get numbers to defend that side, made them vulnerable to quick shifts where Melbourne were able to score the three tries they constructed.

However, I don't think it's all doom and gloom for Brisbane.

The Broncos were their own worst enemy and played right into Melbourne's hands. The teams that have performed well against Melbourne have typically played from infront and have frustrated Melbourne into making errors. Brisbane completely botched this with Lodge's incredibly dumb indiscretion and the Bird error. At 10-0 up, Melbourne are well and truly in their zone and become next to impossible to beat.

If the Broncos were to win from there, they needed to change the flow of the match. They needed to construct their sets so that Milford, Nikorima or McCullough could kick it towards a sideline so the team could regroup and Melbourne couldn't win those early rucks. The Broncos only managed this once in the opening half and it was actually by accident. Milford put in an early attacking kick for Oates, which ended up beating Corey easily over the sideline.

Then when the Broncos were able to force a scrum, it was when they were in position to put in an attacking kick and have Melbourne working it off their try line. They just never got the timing right.

Despite all of this, the Broncos still gave Melbourne plenty to worry about. The Broncos were still able to generate 34 tackle-breaks on the back foot, with nearly a 1/3 of them coming from Corey Oates. Under Seibold, the Broncos backs made nearly twice as many runs than they had the season before and made plenty of in-roads. While the backs didn't quite take as much advantage as they should have, it does provide the Broncos with a decent base moving forward.

The other noticeable change in the Broncos was how aggressive the defensive line was. There were a lot of occassions on the night where the Broncos were looking to put on big shots and while they didn't come off on the night, if they hit they will be momentum changers. The key of course will be getting the defensive line to adjust as there were a few occassions where the defensive line was left short but it was a promising sign.

So TL;DR Melbourne were excellent on the night and would have flogged most teams on the night. Brisbane were their own worst enemies, but still managed to show good signs. Corey Oates was a beast and has so far locked down his place in my Round 1 Team of the Week.
 

Dee

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Melbourne did an excellent job of breaking down the Brisbane Broncos. Bellamy has obviously done his homework on how the Broncos construct their repeat sets, because he got his kickers to deliberately kick it towards Isaako's wing as early and as often as possible. Munster and Smith did an excellent with their kicks and there wasn't much Darius could have done, especially not with Addo-Carr's chase.

It meant that the Storm were constantly playing on the front foot and could execute their early shifts to Kaufusi and Scott which they'd play off the back of. That right edge attack caused Brisbane headaches all evening and in their efforts to get numbers to defend that side, made them vulnerable to quick shifts where Melbourne were able to score the three tries they constructed.

However, I don't think it's all doom and gloom for Brisbane.

The Broncos were their own worst enemy and played right into Melbourne's hands. The teams that have performed well against Melbourne have typically played from infront and have frustrated Melbourne into making errors. Brisbane completely botched this with Lodge's incredibly dumb indiscretion and the Bird error. At 10-0 up, Melbourne are well and truly in their zone and become next to impossible to beat.

If the Broncos were to win from there, they needed to change the flow of the match. They needed to construct their sets so that Milford, Nikorima or McCullough could kick it towards a sideline so the team could regroup and Melbourne couldn't win those early rucks. The Broncos only managed this once in the opening half and it was actually by accident. Milford put in an early attacking kick for Oates, which ended up beating Corey easily over the sideline.

Then when the Broncos were able to force a scrum, it was when they were in position to put in an attacking kick and have Melbourne working it off their try line. They just never got the timing right.

Despite all of this, the Broncos still gave Melbourne plenty to worry about. The Broncos were still able to generate 34 tackle-breaks on the back foot, with nearly a 1/3 of them coming from Corey Oates. Under Seibold, the Broncos backs made nearly twice as many runs than they had the season before and made plenty of in-roads. While the backs didn't quite take as much advantage as they should have, it does provide the Broncos with a decent base moving forward.

The other noticeable change in the Broncos was how aggressive the defensive line was. There were a lot of occassions on the night where the Broncos were looking to put on big shots and while they didn't come off on the night, if they hit they will be momentum changers. The key of course will be getting the defensive line to adjust as there were a few occassions where the defensive line was left short but it was a promising sign.

So TL;DR Melbourne were excellent on the night and would have flogged most teams on the night. Brisbane were their own worst enemies, but still managed to show good signs. Corey Oates was a beast and has so far locked down his place in my Round 1 Team of the Week.
Fair analysis mate. Well done.
 
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I’d like you (or anyone else on here for that matter) to tell me, and be honest, when was the last time you saw him put together a better than average 80 minute performance?

EDIT: my answer would be the 2015 final against the Roosters, he was brilliant. But I can’t think of any other performance even remotely close to that since.
Hang on, Boyd was the Broncos Best Player in 2016.

To answer your question, Round 24 2018 vs Sydney.
 

JAHHW

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Hang on, Boyd was the Broncos Best Player in 2016.

To answer your question, Round 24 2018 vs Sydney.
I say this respectfully and not to be inflammatory; please don’t cherry pick and remove parts of an original post so that it reads differently. If you want to respond to a particular part, great, but I don’t think it’s right to remove the other parts and their inherent context.

Moving on. My original post said Boyd has had a pretty awful last 18 months, which obviously doesn’t include 2016. I absolutely stand by that.

But I will admit, I’m not going to pour over 2 hours of footage to prove you wrong on the round 24, 2018 game. So I will just take your word for it. The last standout game I remember from him was where he started the game with the SKD intercept try. As I said, he was brilliant that game.

My point in all of this, however, is that outside of that performance (and OK, maybe a few others scattered over the last 3-4 years), I honestly don’t think he’s put together 80 minutes of football where he has done anything more than he should be doing as our captain and first choice fullback. This is the point I am trying to get across here and in all my criticisms of him.

He should be stopping tries, he should be rallying the troops, he should be talking, he should be setting up tries from sweep plays and 3 on 2’s, he should be returning the ball with vigour - these are not things he should be having praise heaped on him for. These things are absolutely required of him if he is doing his job properly, particularly given his experience and role as captain.

He should absolutely be praised when he takes that tough carry that no one else wants to take, when he makes that impossible trysaving tackle or scores the impossible try, when he puts his body on the line to field a dangerous grubber (like he did the other night, which I praised him for), when he identifies the blind side is short and creates a try from nothing, when he makes a legitimate line break due to his own skill or determination. But he doesn’t do these things often enough, and hasn’t managed to do it regularly for a long time.

But most of all, I believe his effort is not good enough.

I might very well be a hard marker, too hard even, but I just can’t recall any of our previous captains showing signs of not putting in that ‘never say die’ attitude that Boyd has been showing for quite some time now. As I said in my original post, maybe here and there, but not on a pretty consistent basis like Boyd has over the last 18 months.

Anyway, I’ve said the same thing ad nauseum for a few posts now, so I’ll just leave it there.
 

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Hughes only played 14 games and Trigger had him at 6 for a chunk of them.
Yep, my mistake, fair point, i was thinking of when he was at the Blackhawks i think. I actually really rated Hamilton in the Falcons run to the finals.

You have got me questioning now what i was watching, my memory is shot :sisi2:
 
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