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Cmon man you just have to watch some of our recent games back and you'll see Haas absolutely all at sea defensively. A bloke running clean past him while he stands there flat footed isn't going to show as a missed tackle or as an inefficient contact.

Those sorta stats can be very misleading at face value.
 
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Brocko said:
Cmon man you just have to watch some of our recent games back and you'll see Haas absolutely all at sea defensively. A bloke running clean past him while he stands there flat footed isn't going to show as a missed tackle or as an inefficient contact.

Those sorta stats can be very misleading at face value.
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But but but isn't the statement that 'he struggles to make any impact WITH or without the ball'?

How is having the most post contact metres AND having the fifth highest unloads(out of over 500 players) AND absolutely minimal errors NOT having an impact?????????????????
Isn't that 'with the ball' ?

So a 120k prop gets stepped or caught flatfooted, doesn't that happen to them all? Further, doesn't that apply to everyone? I mean, how can he be at near the top if that's happening often? Like are you implying everyone runs at him? He must be mobile to rack up those numbers, surely ? It's not like he just stands there and they come to him, he has to get to them to get those numbers. If anything they'd be trying to avoid getting grabbed by him. He's got the 8th highest tackle count ffs, and of those top 8 only two are more effective and then by the smallest of margins, 1 fucking percent!!

How is that not having an impact 'without the ball' ? Those seven in front of him, are you suggesting they never get stood up? You know what else, he's the only prop in that 8 too so no other prop is having an impact if Haas isn't.

I cannot see how any rational sane person could agree with the claim. It's so ludicrous as to be laughable.
 
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Outside looking in, it appears boyd has checked out, i think losing the captaincy really pissed him off and he has decided to offer no help as a senior player on the field.

On friday, behind the posts after the 9 tries against us, there was NO talk. Just blank faces. Captain or not, you would think a 300+ gamer would be talking to the team but the camera was on him often and he said nothing. Our halves said nothing.

This club is broken.
 
Huge said:
Check this statement guys, tell me if you think it's right or wrong.


Haas has gone from the greatest prop in the NRL and a future immortal to a defensive liability that struggles to make any impact with or without the ball.

This was said earlier today by Unbreakable. I decided to see if there was any truth in it. Errr, no.
The top ten tacklers in the NRL?

who is in eighth? Haas
who has the third best tackle efficiency? 94.5% Haas
how many frontrowers are higher? None
who also has the best post contact metres. Haas
13th in tackle busts, highest placed forward... Haas.
1 to 12, either fullback, winger, centre or 5/8
5th best in offloads...Haas
least tackle misses... Haas ( for players with 10 matches )
penalties conceded? Not in top 50!! Excellent discipline.
errors? Not in top 50. Again excellent.

Amazing stats in a team getting flogged by 40 or more each week bar one.
Haas has missed 11 tackles in 10 games. 1.1 per match. Incredible and he's not happy. Imagine if he was enjoying his football.

So, is Unbreakable right with his statement??? You be the judge.
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Haas' problem at the moment is his one miss has been a one-on-one tackle on the try line e.g. Grant this week, Paasi in the Warriors game.

Those misses probably don't happen if we aren't having our tryline bombarded for 60 minutes of every match, but it looks bad for him regardless.
 
Huge said:
Check this statement guys, tell me if you think it's right or wrong.


Haas has gone from the greatest prop in the NRL and a future immortal to a defensive liability that struggles to make any impact with or without the ball.

This was said earlier today by Unbreakable. I decided to see if there was any truth in it. Errr, no.
The top ten tacklers in the NRL?

who is in eighth? Haas
who has the third best tackle efficiency? 94.5% Haas
how many frontrowers are higher? None
who also has the best post contact metres. Haas
13th in tackle busts, highest placed forward... Haas.
1 to 12, either fullback, winger, centre or 5/8
5th best in offloads...Haas
least tackle misses... Haas ( for players with 10 matches )
penalties conceded? Not in top 50!! Excellent discipline.
errors? Not in top 50. Again excellent.

Amazing stats in a team getting flogged by 40 or more each week bar one.
Haas has missed 11 tackles in 10 games. 1.1 per match. Incredible and he's not happy. Imagine if he was enjoying his football.

So, is Unbreakable right with his statement??? You be the judge.
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The game is all about rolling speed. Haas is one of the worst in our team in getting up to opposing players in defence and putting them on there back. He is also poor at getting to his stomach and getting up quickly to the play ball. These are small effort areas that make a massive difference to the game - more so then inflated tackle or run numbers.

Haas has the athletic ability to be a great player but he is either terribly lazy, has a bad attitude or just can't understand the game.

No prop should be playing 80 minutes it's stupid by a coach to allow this to happen. If he can get through 80 mins he isn't working hard enough - should be max 55 mins - will allow him to get off the line quick, wrestle the play the ball and get to his stomach - the effort plays that are missing.

He makes 10 metres per run which is great but getting put on your back every run is like subtracting 5 metres. Less metres and never on his back would be a better outcome for the team.
 
At least we are all prepared for what is to come against Melbourne so a flogging will come at no surprise. Being this shit makes you realise how hard it would be to be a Titans supporter. The season we are having this year is the complete norm for them and they feel a sense of optimism from winning 3/10 games so far this year.

Hopefully by the end of the season, the CEO and board will be sacked, along with the coach, and the large amount of dead wood in our team. Then the rebuild begins. From the recent player vote, it was relieving to see that a lot of players would choose the Broncos as the team they'd want to play for outside their own team. Let's hope that this year doesn't tarnish that thought and we can get the right players in to start digging us out of this hole.
 
Haas is playing well in a team that’s giving its good players not much to play for. His biggest issue is the fact Seibold is forcing a 19 year old to play 80 minutes at prop every week. He looked far better when he played 65.
 
Marsh said:
At least we are all prepared for what is to come against Melbourne so a flogging will come at no surprise. Being this shit makes you realise how hard it would be to be a Titans supporter. The season we are having this year is the complete norm for them and they feel a sense of optimism from winning 3/10 games so far this year.

Hopefully by the end of the season, the CEO and board will be sacked, along with the coach, and the large amount of dead wood in our team. Then the rebuild begins. From the recent player vote, it was relieving to see that a lot of players would choose the Broncos as the team they'd want to play for outside their own team. Let's hope that this year doesn't tarnish that thought and we can get the right players in to start digging us out of this hole.
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For me it’s too late to wait that long the damage will be done, players won’t want to sign here. Being a bronco comes with added pressure but at least you were surrounded by a bunch a savage winners with the right attitude towards all things broncos! That’s not the case now and if they don’t clean house asap it will take five years minimum to fix. When I say clean house I mean everything Morris, white, fat tony and any player directly looking like they aren’t putting in 100%.
It’s time to grow a set
 
Huge said:
Check this statement guys, tell me if you think it's right or wrong.


Haas has gone from the greatest prop in the NRL and a future immortal to a defensive liability that struggles to make any impact with or without the ball.

This was said earlier today by Unbreakable. I decided to see if there was any truth in it. Errr, no.
The top ten tacklers in the NRL?

who is in eighth? Haas
who has the third best tackle efficiency? 94.5% Haas
how many frontrowers are higher? None
who also has the best post contact metres. Haas
13th in tackle busts, highest placed forward... Haas.
1 to 12, either fullback, winger, centre or 5/8
5th best in offloads...Haas
least tackle misses... Haas ( for players with 10 matches )
penalties conceded? Not in top 50!! Excellent discipline.
errors? Not in top 50. Again excellent.

Amazing stats in a team getting flogged by 40 or more each week bar one.
Haas has missed 11 tackles in 10 games. 1.1 per match. Incredible and he's not happy. Imagine if he was enjoying his football.

So, is Unbreakable right with his statement??? You be the judge.
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He's been caught out defensively on our line routinely. I don't know if that's a fatigue thing or if he's just not experienced or well-drilled enough to read those occasions. More often than not it happens when we have one or no markers, which is harder to defend but they should be coached in how to cover for it.

I will say that it's not only him though. It happens a lot to our middle. To the point where the outside defenders are constantly coming in to compensate. As bad as it is to see Croft and Milford wave defenders through, this only happens because our middle is so compromised that those defending outside do not know what to do - and regardless of what they do, good attacking teams will exploit.

Years back when Steve Michaels had the defensive yips, his poor reading resulted in us being compromised across our entire defensive line. If the defenders moved in to cover, it left gaps outside, if more people then shifted, it would cause a line-wide stretch that would result in the far side being caught short.

I see similar issues now. I don't think any one person is to blame, but it's something that needs to be looked it.

On the "making no metres or impact", I don't agree. Between him, TPJ, and Carrigan, they seem to be the only ones who actually have the balls to hit the line hard. Countless times I saw Coates taking an exit run and just ran sidewards to avoid being hit. He'd inevitably be swamped and dragged backwards. Again, he's been thrust in to a team that's being dominated, but shows to me where the mentality of this team is at. They're just trying to survive, and have no belief that anything they do will result in their fortunes turning around.
 
BroncsFan said:
The storm are ***** and will legit be looking at the highest ever score conceded in the NRL and will be looking to put that on us... who knows what that score is so we can count it down in the live score??
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Would be nice if we had a cunty attitude like the Storm
 
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Galah said:
For me it’s too late to wait that long the damage will be done, players won’t want to sign here. Being a bronco comes with added pressure but at least you were surrounded by a bunch a savage winners with the right attitude towards all things broncos! That’s not the case now and if they don’t clean house asap it will take five years minimum to fix. When I say clean house I mean everything Morris, white, fat tony and any player directly looking like they aren’t putting in 100%.
It’s time to grow a set
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Spot on, I was going to say the same thing.
This season is clearly a write off, and it takes time to build combinations, and give younger kids (like Deardon for example) much needed experience, adjust to a new coach, etc.
Why on earth wait till next year to start that? Start it NOW.
If the board cannot see that the change must happen well before the end of the season, they are as clueless as they appear.
 
Dexter said:
Boyd has to go back to fullback. At the very least he can organise the defensive line.
We ARE that bad that putting Boyd back to 1 would be an Improvement
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I'm torn. On the one hand I want our young fullback to succeed and be given every opportunity. On the other hand, without some semblance of defensive organisation, how can anyone build their game.
That said, there is so much wrong with our defence, just one positional change is pointless.
I guarantee if we can defend successfully, this teams problems will shrink massively.
 
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