Round 11 - Roosters vs Broncos

[Foordy]

Here's the Matt Lodge tackle.



Here's the Joey Manu tackle that was charged.



Here's the Joey Manu tackle that wasn't charged.

IMO the one Manu wasn't charged with is worse than the one he was charged with

 

[Huge]

Assuming MRC haven’t watched the second half yet?

Great comment

 

[ZTop]

on another note, who is this lad

 

[Big Pete]

The reason why Matt Lodge is facing a week suspension is that he's been charged with 3 offences that would result in a monetary penalty.

 

[Kimlo]

The reason why Matt Lodge is facing a week suspension is that he's been charged with 3 offences that would result in a monetary penalty.

3 offences in a single game you mean? Or is it cumulative when you've hit your 3rd monetary penalty it becomes a suspension?

 

[Big Pete]

3 offences in a single game you mean? Or is it cumulative when you've hit your 3rd monetary penalty it becomes a suspension?

Cumulative, so Lodge is paying for his past indiscretions.

 

[winslow_wong]

Is it just me or does Gamble throw the flatest passes the history of the game. Every single one is just on the verge. I like the fact that he doesn't rush the pass but geez, every time he gets the ball to the line, I think it's going to be forward.

You could say he likes to take a...

gamble

 

[Alec]

View attachment 13184on another note, who is this lad

Looks like Ben Hunt and Matt Gillett fused together.

 

[rnabokov]

Looks like Ben Hunt and Matt Gillett fused together.

Great minds

 

[Strop]

You have to think about this harder. If the ball carrier is running, the ball is traveling forward at the same speed. He could pass it backwards but it would still travel forward.

If you want to make it that the receiver must be behind the ball carrier when he releases it, it's possible he could still receive the ball forward of the point the carrier released it. If being behind the ball carrier is the only prereq, then like I said you could lob the ball up in the air to a receiver who starts behind the carrier but passes him on the way to collect the ball.

The psychics of all this is why the rule is that the ball must leave the hand backwards.

examples of relative ball trajectory here:

 

[Foordy]

Look at Lodge’s hand on his throat. That’s the main difference.

that comment you quoted had absolutely nothing to do with Lodge.

 

[McHunt]

Here's the Matt Lodge tackle.



Here's the Joey Manu tackle that was charged.



Here's the Joey Manu tackle that wasn't charged.

Look at Lodge’s hand on his throat. That’s the main difference.

 

[Culhwch]

You have to think about this harder. If the ball carrier is running, the ball is traveling forward at the same speed. He could pass it backwards but it would still travel forward.

If you want to make it that the receiver must be behind the ball carrier when he releases it, it's possible he could still receive the ball forward of the point the carrier released it. If being behind the ball carrier is the only prereq, then like I said you could lob the ball up in the air to a receiver who starts behind the carrier but passes him on the way to collect the ball.

The psychics of all this is why the rule is that the ball must leave the hand backwards.

Let's not get psychics involved, that's just going to delay the game even more. Although they might let us know when we'll win our next premiership. (This year, by the way, I already checked.)

In seriousness I think you've misunderstood the gist of the suggestion here. It's not that the receiver be behind the passer at the point of the pass, but rather that they are behind the relative position of the passer when they take the ball. So if the pass is on the attacking twenty metre line, the receiver must take it on or behind the twenty. Basically the most basic interpretation of the rule and easiest to referee - you could even allow the bunker to adjudicate on this.

As you've noted that's not favourable to long, floating cut outs or passes made at speed. Both interpretations have their negatives, unfortunately.

 

[Dexter]

Look at Lodge’s hand on his throat. That’s the main difference.

So you're agreeing that Manu should not have been charged?
Manu should have been binned and charged.
This is the issue now., it's just another thing where inconsistency is going to have fans blowing up.
IMHO the only reason he wasn't binned is because it was roosters and they had 2 bins already and that would have taken away any chance for them to pull off a win.
There is no way Lodges is a worse tackle

 

[McHunt]

So if the pass is on the attacking twenty metre line, the receiver must take it on or behind the twenty. Basically the most basic interpretation of the rule and easiest to referee - you could even allow the bunker to adjudicate on this.

As you've noted that's not favourable to long, floating cut outs or passes made at speed. Both interpretations have their negatives, unfortunately.

No, this won't work. If you're a winger running full belt, hit the 20 metre line and pass to your centre who's a foot behind you, he will receive the ball over the 20 metre line. This isn't something unusual. It's routine play.

If you're making rules they have to work at all speeds and distances. That's why the ruling is about the ball traveling from the hand, not relative to a line on the ground. So if you're watching on TV, freeze the frame and see the ball being released and received relative to a line, you'll get it wrong nearly every time.

Even commentators don't get these simple physics, and that's why they're always shouting about forward passes being missed. Touchies, on the other hand, generally do get it. But, of course, they make mistakes too.

 

[McHunt]

So you're agreeing that Manu should not have been charged?
Manu should have been binned and charged.
This is the issue now., it's just another thing where inconsistency is going to have fans blowing up.
IMHO the only reason he wasn't binned is because it was roosters and they had 2 bins already and that would have taken away any chance for them to pull off a win.
There is no way Lodges is a worse tackle

No, I'm not taking a stance on either. Just pointing out there is a difference in their "careless" attacks to the heads and Lodge's looks marginally worse in slow motion because his hand appears to grip his throat. There's another conversation about whether the ball carriers contributed to the arms sliding up but that's not for me to judge. I'm just presenting evidence.

 

[Culhwch]

No, this won't work. If you're a winger running full belt, hit the 20 metre line and pass to your centre who's a foot behind you, he will receive the ball over the 20 metre line. This isn't something unusual. It's routine play.

If you're making rules they have to work at all speeds and distances. That's why the ruling is about the ball traveling from the hand, not relative to a line on the ground. So if you're watching on TV, freeze the frame and see the ball being released and received relative to a line, you'll get it wrong nearly every time.

Even commentators don't get these simple physics, and that's why they're always shouting about forward passes being missed. Touchies, on the other hand, generally do get it. But, of course, they make mistakes too.

Yeah, I absolutely get the physics of it, that's why I noted both interpretations have their negatives - one relies on ignoring physics, the other on a referee subjectively making a call on a play that happens at speed. This might be controversial, but I wouldn't mind if the video ref could make calls on forward passes.

I also think most floating cut out passes to the wingers inside the attacking twenty that are called forward are usually forward, because a lot of those passes aren't being made at high speed, or the passer is moving more laterally than forward. I think the floating forward issue happens more when a break is made and passes are interchanged at full speed straight ahead.

 

[McHunt]

Yeah, I absolutely get the physics of it, that's why I noted both interpretations have their negatives - one relies on ignoring physics, the other on a referee subjectively making a call on a play that happens at speed. This might be controversial, but I wouldn't mind if the video ref could make calls on forward passes.

I also think most floating cut out passes to the wingers inside the attacking twenty that are called forward are usually forward, because a lot of those passes aren't being made at high speed, or the passer is moving more laterally than forward. I think the floating forward issue happens more when a break is made and passes are interchanged at full speed straight ahead.

Actual rule:

Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass.

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