POST GAME Round 3 - Broncos vs Dragons

[Porthoz]

I thought the set-up for the field goal was fine. It was tackle three, if Brisbane took two more hit-ups, they'd be on the Dragons try-line and the Dragons defence would have had a greater opportunity to rush up and put pressure on the kicker. The pass from McCullough wasn't great, but Isaako still struck the ball well from 30m out, it just missed.

Once again, I thought it was the Broncos defence that let them down. Norman was always going to get an opportunity to win the game coming off a 7-tackle restart, but that effort on Graham by Gillett and Ofahengaue made sure the Dragons had all the momentum and ensured Norman was going to get all the time in the world to pilot it over. He made the most of it and capped off one of his better performances at Suncorp.

There was 1 minute to go and we had two more tackles. Use up time in case you miss, so the other team doesn't have a full 7 tackle set AND the time to the other side. Get closer so you've got less chances to miss, and make sure you're far enough out of range that you can kick the ball before the defense is on you, provided the pass is decent of course.

P.S. The scapegoating of Ofa and Gillett takes the cake...

 

[Big Pete]

There was 1 minute to go and we had two more tackles. Use up time in case you miss, so the other team doesn't have a full 7 tackle set AND the time to the other side. Get closer so you've got less chances to miss, and make sure you're far enough out of range that you can kick the ball before the defense is on you, provided the pass is decent of course.

P.S. The scapegoating of Ofa and Gillett takes the cake...

That's a losers mentality.

You want to win the game, so you take the best shot when it's on offer. If the Broncos played out their set, they're on the Dragons goal-line with the entire Dragons defence barrelling down on the kicker. 30m right in-front off a quick play the ball is the best shot you're going to get.

I'm not blaming the loss on those players, just pointing out a key moment in that set and who was responsible.

 

[Allo]

One thing I was sick of is us dragging players towards our goal line while tackling them. It is the easiest way I suppose, but when every metre counts, stop making it easier for them.

Also, can the refs get players to play the ball on the fucking mark? Every game (if ours at least) the opposition get tackled, then they walk a good metre or two forward and they gain forward momentum from dummy half. Not reasons we lost of course, but it added to the infuriating mediocrity we displayed

 

[tommy]

That's a losers mentality.

You want to win the game, so you take the best shot when it's on offer. If the Broncos played out their set, they're on the Dragons goal-line with the entire Dragons defence barrelling down on the kicker. 30m right in-front off a quick play the ball is the best shot you're going to get.

I'm not blaming the loss on those players, just pointing out a key moment in that set and who was responsible.

Maybe it was an ok time to take the shot. Personally I would have erred on the side of caution and got a bit closer and used up a few more seconds. But after Isaako got such a terrible pass he should have cancelled the shot knowing we still had a couple of tackles.

 

[Big Pete]

Maybe it was an ok time to take the shot. Personally I would have erred on the side of caution and got a bit closer and used up a few more seconds. But after Isaako got such a terrible pass he should have cancelled the shot knowing we still had a couple of tackles.

The issue you don't want to get inside their 10m zone because the opposition defence doesn't have as far to retreat. It makes it easier for them to push off the line and pressure the kicker. It's why teams struggle to kick them from 20m out when you'd think they'd be able to do it in their sleep.

In hindsight, the Broncos could have gone an extra tackle, but they'd have to try and get tackled outside the 10m zone and get the quick play the ball. The play the ball was there, the shot was on offer and Isaako still had enough time to strike the ball well.

 

[McHunt]

I thought the set-up for the field goal was fine.

**** me drunk. That was a set play. The variables were known ahead of time. They practiced that.

The knucklehead dummy half given the role of passing the ball to the kicker could barely reach him and the ball was wobbling all over the shop. It wasn't a mistake. That's the limit of his capability. Week in, week out he ***** up the routine requirements of a dummy half.

But I agree: it's not just Macca's fault. It's whoever put him in that position. Seibold? Boyd? Or did Macca take it upon himself?

That person needs to be put in front of a grand inquisition.

 

[Tomato Sorcerer]

I agree with you about Bird, he has so much potential to be a leader. I can see the mongrel in him, we need that, we need someone to stand up when the chips are down and take charge. I don't care who it is but we just need someone!

I believe if we had that leader, we would of won last nights game, as bad as we were.

Yep, totally agree about birds leadership potential on the field. A super competitor whos not afraid to put his body on the line. If Darius doesn't improve and birdman continues to play well I don't see why siebsy wouldn't shift him to fullback. I reckon he would thrive in the 1 or 6.

 

[Brotherdu]

Steady on guys. It's only the third game of Siebs' reign. The guys were obviously a bit flat from last week's huge effort and the short turnaround. They're all still learning new structures too and aside from those out for suspension we had a team out there that will win more than they lose.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if Lodgey gets an origin gernsey this year he may well blossom suddenly into the onfield leader we so desperately crave. The fact he has managed to stay off the pop and turn his life around speaks volumes to me. It masy not look it this morning, but the future of this club is rising at a rapid rate and things will only get better as the young uns gain experience.

Stop being so sensible, this isn't the place for that!

 

[Huge]

The issue you don't want to get inside their 10m zone because the opposition defence doesn't have as far to retreat. It makes it easier for them to push off the line and pressure the kicker. It's why teams struggle to kick them from 20m out when you'd think they'd be able to do it in their sleep.

In hindsight, the Broncos could have gone an extra tackle, but they'd have to try and get tackled outside the 10m zone and get the quick play the ball. The play the ball was there, the shot was on offer and Isaako still had enough time to strike the ball well.

Bullshit. A quick play the ball is the last thing you'd want. No no no no. You want the defence standing stock still, feet on the goal line, a reference point for the ref, no one off side and us, tge Bronco's controlling the clock taking precious seconds off the stains. No no no no to a quick ptb.

 

[Big Pete]

**** me drunk. That was a set play. The variables were known ahead of time. They practiced that.

The knucklehead dummy half given the role of passing the ball to the kicker could barely reach him and the ball was wobbling all over the shop. It wasn't a mistake. That's the limit of his capability. Week in, week out he ***** up the routine requirements of a dummy half.

But I agree: it's not just Macca's fault. It's whoever put him in that position. Seibold? Boyd? Or did Macca take it upon himself?

That person needs to be put in front of a grand inquisition.

The pass didn't help matters, but it didn't cause Isaako to miss the shot. Isaako still had more than enough time to pilot the kick through, it just missed.

The reason McCullough's pass was so poor is because of the angle he came in. Paul Vaughan blocked his path to the football, so he had to go around him and it affected his pass. I'm not excusing McCullough, at that level, you still have to throw something better than a Granville pass but it wasn't a standard pass.

 

[Huge]

Yep, totally agree about birds leadership potential on the field. A super competitor whos not afraid to put his body on the line. If Darius doesn't improve and birdman continues to play well I don't see why siebsy wouldn't shift him to fullback. I reckon he would thrive in the 1 or 6.

Or at 8,9,10 or any number you want. He's a pure footballer and I've been saying that since he debuted for Cronulla. Well, just after I'd seen him play a few games ;)

 

[Sproj]

How does a team that played like busted last night, gets a majority of 7, including Kodi and Boyd getting a 6!
Seriously, I think describing it as bias is an understatement.

A few reasons:

1. Only five got 7s and in a competition at this level, most teams on a below average day will be 3/4. On an average day will be at a 5/6. On a good day at 6/7. On a great day 8/9. That is pretty much what I work on with my ratings.

2. I don't always agree with other posters' sentiments and I call it as I see it since I can only view things from my point of view obviously.

3. I thought the scores were pretty reflective of the side overall. Some decent performances, no stand out for sure and far too many passengers around those guys on good days. No one on a great day means those on average to below average days are not compensated for.

4. Yes, I am biased toward KNik, I make no secret of that fact. I am certainly not biased toward Boyd, I want him gone from fullback as much as the next bloke and I also make no secret of that fact.

5. I'm terrible at maths.

Hope that explains it.

 

[Wolfie]

Two moments that deserve more attention:

77th minute Milford makes a break deep inside the Dragons territory and links up with Gillett on the right edge who has Jimmy on his outside. Instead of trying to draw the winger, Gillett gives the ball straight away to Jimmy who is easily tackled by the sliding winger. Had Gillett run harder, it would have been a golden opportunity for the Jet down the touchline.

Earlier in the 19th minute, Pangai Jr forces Hunt to make a legs tackle a few metres out from the line. Pangai Jr gets a quick play the ball and creates space behind the ruck. Instead of looking to extend his arms, Glenn tucks the ball into his body and falls just short of the line. Then to compound the mistake, Glenn makes an error in the play the ball halting the Broncos momentum.

I thought Glenn could have possibly stretched out but watching it again i'm not sure he was set to do it without making an error. I wouldnt criticise him too much for that, he just stuffed up when trying to play the ball.

 

[Alec]

I thought everything about the field goal was bad, slow play the ball and slow pass...don't take it, try for a quick play the ball the next tackle IMO.

 

[Big Pete]

Bullshit. A quick play the ball is the last thing you'd want. No no no no. You want the defence standing stock still, feet on the goal line, a reference point for the ref, no one off side and us, tge Bronco's controlling the clock taking precious seconds off the stains. No no no no to a quick ptb.

Disagree, that would just make the kickers job more difficult as the markers and goal-line defence would have a much easier time getting off their position and getting to the kicker.

When the scores are tied and you're looking to win the game, clock management is the least of your concerns. This isn't the NFL, although Cameron Smith does make me wonder.

 

[Big Pete]

I thought Glenn could have possibly stretched out but watching it again i'm not sure he was set to do it without making an error. I wouldnt criticise him too much for that, he just stuffed up when trying to play the ball.

You've got to back yourself in that position, once he got past Host he had to stretch out. I think he knew he stuffed up as well, which is why he rushed the play the ball.

 

[rnabokov]

Disagree, that would just make the kickers job more difficult as the markers and goal-line defence would have a much easier time getting off their position and getting to the kicker.

When the scores are tied and you're looking to win the game, clock management is the least of your concerns. This isn't the NFL, although Cameron Smith does make me wonder.

Go for the try, not the FG which everyone expects. On the 4th or 5th, a short grubber behind the line with plenty of chasers, similar to Milf's kick for Glenn's try. Should be a set play option for those situations.

 

[Big Pete]

Go for the try, not the FG which everyone expects. On the 4th or 5th, a short grubber behind the line with plenty of chasers, similar to Milf's kick for Glenn's try. Should be a set play option for those situations.

Too high risk, especially in the context of the game last night.