PRE-GAME [Round 8, 2022] Broncos vs Sharks

[McHunt]

so how is it not about asking who we could've signed ?
paix is from our pathways and someone who has inside knowledge has stated he is our 9 moving forward, he is just getting slowly pushed in.
Anyway it's round 9 and with injuries to turpin and kelly and form issues to paix and Gamble Billy is in , until form and injuries are a non issue and Billy is still there i really don't see an issue.

Because it’s not my job to answer that. It’s why we pay scouts, a head of football and a coach.

 

[winslow_wong]

Who does gamble need to target this week?

 

[McHunt]

ok so you definitely know that the reason for him leaving was because of broncos not offering a contract ? i mentioned them because McHunt did

Levi wasn't wanted. He's playing for the Huddersfield Giants.

 

[McHunt]

Who does gamble need to target this week?

A barber.

 

[theshed]

ok so you definitely know that the reason for him leaving was because of broncos not offering a contract ? i mentioned them because McHunt did

It was reported that we didn’t offer him a contract and when he was asked about it he said:


“I would love to stay. The Broncos are an unreal club and an awesome place to be.

At the end of the day, they have to look at what’s best for the club, but we’ll see what happens. I have tried not to think about my future at all. I have to make sure I don’t think about it too much. I just have to play good footy and hopefully things will fall into place.”

Anyway, I’m not even saying it had to be Levi. It was just the easiest example.

 

[winslow_wong]

A barber.

Ben doesn’t play for the sharks anymore.

 

[HarryAllan7]

Heres a nice example.

Good ruck speed from Kobe and Reynolds comes across open side where we have a 7 v 5 set-up.

Billy didnt count the numbers though and ran through a gap at marker.

Then the chip & chase try - note Kennedys very quick play the ball. A small thing but something he is improving apparently.

Then theres the line breaking pass from Kobe (thats what you want from your lock) which breaks the defence line. You can see on the wide angle shot not a single Dogs player was on the defensive line - they are still all running on-side.

Then a brilliant chip and chase (anyone spot where Dufty is here?)

There is some variety in these plays ive not seen before from us, and id say its down to our number 7. He had a good long look at what was on offer during the first half and then organised and steered his forwards where he wanted them for maximum effect.

Shout out to Kobe and Kennedy though; they did some little things in this win that added up to a lot.

great post. It’s not rocket science to see the similarities here - opportunities created by quick play the balls.

Unfortunately it’s not a statistic (yet), but I think if it was, then ‘Fast Play the Balls’ would be just as correlated with a team scoring points as ‘line breaks’.

it’s just like touch football… you create momentum up the middle of the field, wait for a quick play the ball and then attack a retreating defensive line. Modern NRL attack needs to be structured around creating opportunities through creating fast PTBs - it’s exactly how all the successful teams manufacture attacking opportunities. Trying to run shapes and attack off the back of a slow play the ball is infinitely harder and less successful.

We need to be training forwards to find their front quickly and get a quick PTB away - our current 9 woes wouldn’t look nearly as bad if we were playing on the front foot. As much as Haas and Carrigan are talented footballers, their style of play is hamstringing our attack. No point making 200m if you’re preventing your team from creating attacking opportunities in the ruck. A forward running 10m and going down quickly like a sack of potatoes may not look impressive, but is much more conducive to attacking opportunities than the seemingly Hurculean effort of standing for an eternity with 4 players hanging off you, unable to bring you to the ground.

It’s like in ‘Moneyball’, where they identify that ‘on base percentage’ is the key to creating attacking opportunities in baseball despite the ‘eye test’ of another strategy looking / measuring as impressive… this is exactly the same, and until we pivot our game plan to provide quick PTBs, we will struggle against the good sides. Improving average PTB speed (which has been a focus since Seibold) is a good start, but working to consistently and intentionally create fast PTBs on the end of sets is key.

 

[pagey]

It was reported that we didn’t offer him a contract and when he was asked about it he said:


“I would love to stay. The Broncos are an unreal club and an awesome place to be.

At the end of the day, they have to look at what’s best for the club, but we’ll see what happens. I have tried not to think about my future at all. I have to make sure I don’t think about it too much. I just have to play good footy and hopefully things will fall into place.”

Anyway, I’m not even saying it had to be Levi. It was just the easiest example.

not a bad example but no one knows the exact situation.
any ways im over talking about it , there was obviously a reason behind it and ikin was around when Billy was signed and levi wasn't so it's not all on Kevvie.

 

[BroncosFever]

Glad Gamble plays for us because if he didn't, I would be hoping like hell one of our players knocked him out

 

[Mustafur]

Glad Gamble plays for us because if he didn't, I would be hoping like hell one of our players knocked him out

Just needs to do this again, bait them(though in this case we where robbed of not getting Ramien binned for the strike to the head) and they capitulate:

 

[Santa]

Well, i have proof that this play is a annual event -apparently we ran it at the same time in 2021 too...

Last year.

We did this play heaps of times over the last few years. We should do it at least once a game.

 

[Johnny92]

great post. It’s not rocket science to see the similarities here - opportunities created by quick play the balls.

Unfortunately it’s not a statistic (yet), but I think if it was, then ‘Fast Play the Balls’ would be just as correlated with a team scoring points as ‘line breaks’.

it’s just like touch football… you create momentum up the middle of the field, wait for a quick play the ball and then attack a retreating defensive line. Modern NRL attack needs to be structured around creating opportunities through creating fast PTBs - it’s exactly how all the successful teams manufacture attacking opportunities. Trying to run shapes and attack off the back of a slow play the ball is infinitely harder and less successful.

We need to be training forwards to find their front quickly and get a quick PTB away - our current 9 woes wouldn’t look nearly as bad if we were playing on the front foot. As much as Haas and Carrigan are talented footballers, their style of play is hamstringing our attack. No point making 200m if you’re preventing your team from creating attacking opportunities in the ruck. A forward running 10m and going down quickly like a sack of potatoes may not look impressive, but is much more conducive to attacking opportunities than the seemingly Hurculean effort of standing for an eternity with 4 players hanging off you, unable to bring you to the ground.

It’s like in ‘Moneyball’, where they identify that ‘on base percentage’ is the key to creating attacking opportunities in baseball despite the ‘eye test’ of another strategy looking / measuring as impressive… this is exactly the same, and until we pivot our game plan to provide quick PTBs, we will struggle against the good sides. Improving average PTB speed (which has been a focus since Seibold) is a good start, but working to consistently and intentionally create fast PTBs on the end of sets is key.

This is exactly what I see Melbourne's attack based off touch football. I know Pap's has a touch footy background would not surprise me if Grant and Hughes do aswell.
You basically go 3 plays taking the touch and Quick PTB, by the 3rd the defence is in all sorts and your creative players basically swing it wide, find the gaps or target a weak link/offside player.

 

[vertigo]

How long does Paix have to wait until walters realises he's the best hooker at the club?

 

[vertigo]

We probably don’t get away with it against any other team in the comp. I will give Billy the benefit of the doubt, he will have taken a lot out of last week, but he’s gotta improve this week, because the sharks will punish us and it will be too late for Paix to do anything about it.

I think people are in for a rude shock this week.

We're playing a top 4 team, not last place.

 

[Santa]

great post. It’s not rocket science to see the similarities here - opportunities created by quick play the balls.

Unfortunately it’s not a statistic (yet), but I think if it was, then ‘Fast Play the Balls’ would be just as correlated with a team scoring points as ‘line breaks’.

it’s just like touch football… you create momentum up the middle of the field, wait for a quick play the ball and then attack a retreating defensive line. Modern NRL attack needs to be structured around creating opportunities through creating fast PTBs - it’s exactly how all the successful teams manufacture attacking opportunities. Trying to run shapes and attack off the back of a slow play the ball is infinitely harder and less successful.

We need to be training forwards to find their front quickly and get a quick PTB away - our current 9 woes wouldn’t look nearly as bad if we were playing on the front foot. As much as Haas and Carrigan are talented footballers, their style of play is hamstringing our attack. No point making 200m if you’re preventing your team from creating attacking opportunities in the ruck. A forward running 10m and going down quickly like a sack of potatoes may not look impressive, but is much more conducive to attacking opportunities than the seemingly Hurculean effort of standing for an eternity with 4 players hanging off you, unable to bring you to the ground.

It’s like in ‘Moneyball’, where they identify that ‘on base percentage’ is the key to creating attacking opportunities in baseball despite the ‘eye test’ of another strategy looking / measuring as impressive… this is exactly the same, and until we pivot our game plan to provide quick PTBs, we will struggle against the good sides. Improving average PTB speed (which has been a focus since Seibold) is a good start, but working to consistently and intentionally create fast PTBs on the end of sets is key.

They do have an average play of the ball speed. Not sure what to make of it though, as for example Melb vs NZ was 4.0 sec and 3.46 sec respectively. Here's us vs dogs:

 

[theshed]

How long does Paix have to wait until walters realises he's the best hooker at the club?

I feel like he already knows it

 

[pagey]

How long does Paix have to wait until walters realises he's the best hooker at the club?

well smokin joe hinted paix was going to be the 9 and 1910 has mentioned he isn't 80 minute ready, so i guess slowly bringing him in is part of his development.

 

[HarryAllan7]

They do have an average play of the ball speed. Not sure what to make of it though, as for example Melb vs NZ was 4.0 sec and 3.46 sec respectively. Here's us vs dogs:

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yeah average is good, an average fast PTB across the board is bare minimum nowadays, but doesn’t tell the story of how many individual ‘quick PTBs’ which can be transformed into an attacking opportunity… using your set to build momentum and force the defensive line back before getting a lightning fast PTB and having the DH capitalise on it is the basis of all of Melb, Penrith, Roosters attack. They manufacture these opportunities over the course of a set.