Sack Griffin/New Coach Discussion

[rnabokov]

Hook may be an affable, loyal, avuncular bloke you would love to buy a beer and introduce to your in-laws, school principal and local snake charmer but to date, he has shown zero adaptability and flexibility when it comes to creating creative game plans based on solid and consistent structures.

He has shown glimpses, yes, like the forwards passing game, but can't seem to entrench that into a consistent, recurring game plan.

His team selections have been baffling and this side has again lapsed into being the most predictable attack in the competition, especially with the altogether baffling selection of Hoffman at 5/8 which has literally crippled our attack, and his inability to use Barba. Aside from the obvious "personal" issues Barba must be having, Hook has made him into a sitting duck.

The argument that Hoffman was the 5/8 we had to have doesn't wash with me. I have made that point clear in my posts along with most others here. We ought to have been blooding our juniors from the outset, and persisting with them, or better still, playing him at 5/8 where he would have had far less pressure on him than he has had.

I honestly don't believe Hook has it in him atm to take this team to the finals and believe that he, like many, thinks the Milford wet dream will solve all our issues.

I predicted that we will start losing games regularly with Hoffman at 5/8 after other teams start hitting their straps, and I stick with that prediction.

For mine, the next few games will show whether Hook (and Hoffman) do have what it takes to take this talented side to where it should be: the top of the ladder. I honestly don't believe we should have lost any matches this year so far and the reason we have is ... you CAN'T WIN AT THIS LEVEL WITH 1 HALF.

If I am made to eat my words, fine, I have no problem with that at all, but based on what I have seen for a few years, I can't see it. Still, miracles do happen. I'm waiting ...

 

[noisetheory]

norman looks pretty decent as an eel. maybe because he's got a centre outside him who knows how to position himself?

 

[I bleed Maroon]

norman looks pretty decent as an eel. maybe because he's got a centre outside him who knows how to position himself?

Is he really, though? Or is Hoffman just making him look good by comparison?

 

[noisetheory]

ive watched a few eels games he has just played steady and looked to get the ball to his outside men. as i said with centres and a fullback who know where to run he doesnt get left hogging it as much it seems.

 

[rnabokov]

ive watched a few eels games he has just played steady and looked to get the ball to his outside men. as i said with centres and a fullback who know where to run he doesnt get left hogging it as much it seems.

Maybe it has at least something to do with coaching creative plays?

The Eels beat the Rorters. We were so easily able to beat the Eels (and the Titans) with a ... 2nd half. Funny about that. Like I said, this Broncos team has the talent to be amongst the best, but you can't win with only 1 half and 3 centres

 

[noisetheory]

Maybe it has at least something to do with coaching creative plays?

my point is it has everything to do with coaching!

the three players who've left the broncos since last year are going better at their new clubs..

 

[rnabokov]

my point is it has everything to do with coaching!

the three players who've left the broncos since last year are going better at their new clubs..

This ^^^

 

[broncos4life]

norman looks pretty decent as an eel. maybe because he's got a centre outside him who knows how to position himself?

We must have saw different parts of him playing. Everything I have seen he has looked very average

 

[Bull Shark]

Hook has a lot of good points and if he could realise three things, he'd be a great coach which he certainly isn't at the moment unfortunately.

1. No player has a right to a jersey or the jersey they want ala Hoffman, Reed and Glenn.

2. He needs a game plan that utilizes the flair in this side, unpredictability on top of good structures (which we have) is a premiership winning asset.

3. Loyalty to players is brilliant but it must not come at the expense of the team itself and this is what is happening with Hoffman and Glenn and Reed to lesser extents. Hoffman needs to return to the wing and if he doesn't like it, he is welcome to leave. Glenn needs to go to the bench and this demotion may wake him up. Reed gets told he's got one more week or he's gone. Use Oates!!! If we don't use him, another team will.

yeah well until he graduates from 'coaching 101' he can **** off ... this is the brisbane broncos, where only professional winners need apply .... or at least that's what the club was about for 24 of its 27 years

 

[Sproj]

my point is it has everything to do with coaching!

the three players who've left the broncos since last year are going better at their new clubs..

As much as I'm a fan of Hook, this is unfortunately true and it is really damning plus the fact Barba has severely gone backwards as has Kennedy. On the flip side, Hunt and Macca have improved immensely because they appear to have been backed and given free reign by Hook. He probably needs to do the same with Barba and realize Hoffman at 6 is a horrible decision.

The other thing about Hoffman is that the fact he sooks and gets rewarded with playing a position he wants to play does not send a good message to the squad and especially so when someone like Maranta gets dropped when he has been going pretty well. That is probably my biggest gripe with Hook in that his many good coaching facets are really undone by his seeming favouritism and buddying with certain players.

we have a squad already that should be a contender but it isn't and while this is certainly partly the players fault, a massive chunk of this problem comes back to the coach.

 

[Socnorb]

we started 2012 with a string of wins then it all went downhill.

So the ratio would be different had it started at the beginning of that year.

 

[noisetheory]

if you are on a 15 game winning streak you dont talk about the games you lost before the winning streak started..

 

[Socnorb]

if you are on a 15 game winning streak you dont talk about the games you lost before the winning streak started..

Yes. But equally to discount four or five wins so the stats enhance your agenda is disingenuous . It's like saying since april 2014 hooks record is 100% loss. Let's not forget that Griffin is the first Broncos coach to not gave one or two out and out superstar , best in their position payers in his squad.

 

[noisetheory]

It's like saying since april 2014 hooks record is 100% loss.

without actually saying it, thats exactly what everyone calling for his head is, well, saying.

 

[LittleDavey]

OK, I've settled on what I think is our major structural problem (outside of a 5/8 who's not a 5/8..) and it pisses me off no end.

The one-out or at best, two-out running.

We have a hooker who is very threatening around the ruck - Macca invariably gains good metres through the ruck every game.

We have a world class back row: Glenn/Parker/Gillette/Thaiday - all of who can make busts, can definitely spring either an offload or a pass, and are generally very fit.

Our front rowers are a bit of a let down because no-one is standing up to partner McGuire. But again - all are capable of an offload or a sneaky pass, especially Hannant (who I think if he gets an uninjured run will be starting) and McGuire definitely has what it takes to break the line. His (and Thaiday's) effort in the chase lastnight was outstanding, and shows the pace they both have in open space - we just need to give it to them!

The one-out running is useless. Our blokes get smashed and the opposition get easy tackles. They don't need numbers rushing up, just a couple and the rest can hang back safe in the knowledge that there will be no offload or pass away. No need to run up and put pressure on. We have the players to cause absolute fucking havoc - which we were doing quite well in the first few games.

What do you do if Macca takes a dummy half dart and has 1 or 2 of our mobile, fast big guys on each shoulder??

What do you do if we have 4 of those blokes hitting your line with Barba and Hunt and/or a fresh Oates sniffing out the back??

It's the support play, off the ball, that is killing us IMO. We need bodies in motion. We need more players running good lines in support of the ball carrier. We need to force their defence to number up one-on-one or better - this would result in more breaks, gaps if they don't number up right, space out wide, a more tired opposition as they're doing more work, and would give our smaller blokes (Barba, Hunt) room to shine.

We have the players to do what the Bulldogs did a few years ago, but arguably better. They made the grand final with average halves because of the work of their big men. Why can we not do this?? Frustrates the absolute **** out of me. We could be so much better than this.

 

[Fighting Irish]

We are simply too predictable - every game is the same boring monotonous stuff and all the other teams know it - Hook has no idea about how to invent a game plan that plays to the weakness of the other teams - he has no idea about the interchange as we all know - he has no idea about how to motivate a team of young blokes who want to go out and get the job done but are not given the direction needed.
Hook is a complete dud - the question in posed in the rumor mill just now is "how the hell do we help get rid of him" - do we march on Red Hill on mass - do we all front up and confront Hook Gee and White and tell them what they need to hear and have stuck their heads in the sand about for the last 2 to 3 years
What do we as a collective group of members and supporters who pay Thousand s of dollars per year to support OUR CLUB - It is not their club - this is OUR CLUB and we deserve to be given answers and a fix to the problem
ANY IDEAS

 

[Fighting Irish]

yeah well until he graduates from 'coaching 101' he can **** off ... this is the brisbane broncos, where only professional winners need apply .... or at least that's what the club was about for 24 of its 27 years

Hook has the personality of a cane toad - just sits there and looks with a blank look on his face and has no idea

Hook has no idea what a game plean for each club means - same old same old - God it must be boring at training!!!!!!!!!!

and i think any player would be better with any other coach - don't have to have a degree to work that out

SP WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT - I AM BLOODY ANGRY AT THE WAY HE AND GEE AND WHITE ARE TREATING US MEMBERS AND FANS - WITH UTTER CONTEMPT - yes sorry for the caps but I am fed up with this same old BS excuses we hear every week

We all need to do something together maybe

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Hook has the personality of a cane toad - just sits there and looks with a blank look on his face and has no idea

Hook has no idea what a game plean for each club means - same old same old - God it must be boring at training!!!!!!!!!!

and i think any player would be better with any other coach - don't have to have a degree to work that out

SP WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT - I AM BLOODY ANGRY AT THE WAY HE AND GEE AND WHITE ARE TREATING US MEMBERS AND FANS - WITH UTTER CONTEMPT - yes sorry for the caps but I am fed up with this same old BS excuses we hear every week

We all need to do something together maybe

Not saying I disagree with you FI, but if White came to you tomorrow and said, "I'm getting rid of Hook, who should we replace him with?", what would you say to him?